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Old 15th Jan 2009, 21:03
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LH route BRS-FRA

October didn't do too badly, on about 7,500 pax (which is, I think, an average of about 55 pax per flight), but November is pretty horrid at a provisional number of 4,764. I'm sure December would have been difficult too.
Hello B_T,

Bearing in mind the reduction in rotations for the winter with virtually nothing at weekends (there were five weekends in November that skewed the total figures adversely) the average load was still around 42-43. Nothing to shout from the rooftops of course but could have been worse in these economic dark days.

December was better with 6,190.

Incidentally, did you see the piece on the BRS website saying that during the first six months of the route passengers from Bristol made onward connections to every one of LH's worldwide destinations of which last summer there were 200 in 79 countries outside the UK and Ireland?

The top 30 onward destinations from Bristol included Munich, Vienna, Rome, Zurich, Cairo, Cape Town, Gdansk, Beijing and Bangalore.

Let's hope this shows the potential that exists to feed into LH's long haul on a growing basis.
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Old 15th Jan 2009, 21:18
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I'm glad December was a bit brighter, as there really were a lot of missing flights around there (reflecting holidaying passengers). I looked at booking a BRS-FRA-INN & rt. around Christmas, and they were certainly holding out for pretty robust fares.

I was aware that we'd managed to send people to every corner of the world. I suspect myself and Mrs. B_T helped with our F trip to HKG, via the First Class Terminal at FRA. (That was amusing - seeing Bristol listed as a destination on the FCT displays, and being driven to/from the 146 in a big black 4x4). What I'd like to know is who flew to ALA (Almaty) and PUS (Busan).

What I thought was rather useful to know is that LH cancelled only 1 or 2 flights in the first 6 months of operation. (Yes, KLM, I'm looking at you...). And only lost one bag (and ironically, I know who it was - a poor guy travelling F from somewhere in the West of the US, for a conference in Bath).
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Old 16th Jan 2009, 14:11
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JACKED-IN - You've obviously have no idea what you are talking about and you seem to be very bitter with Ryanair. Just remember in the current climate, expansion of routes and more aircraft is a good thing for the airport and you can only admire Ryanair for expanding and creating more jobs and keeping people employed at the airport including the ones you mention. No airlines-No jobs!!!
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Old 16th Jan 2009, 14:22
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JACKED-IN - You've obviously have no idea what you are talking about and you seem to be very bitter with Ryanair
No he's right. Ryanair get frequent bollickings at Gatwick for calling for start when not ready and blocking in other aircraft who are doors closed and tug attached. They don't give a f***.
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Old 16th Jan 2009, 14:31
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jackitin - not sure what planet it is you're on matey, but I hope they bring you better drugs, you're barking.

RYR may have asked for push backs with steps down, holds open and tugs not connected, but hey, they've got a schedule to keep, so what? It doesn't credit me or my colleagues with much intelligence in sorting the situation out. As for 'ignoring conditional pushback clearances to block taxiways', you make it sound like some sort of concerted campaign by RYR to disrupt the airport. It's happened once when I've been on the desk in nearly 6 years and that wasn't a 'foreign' crew.

As I said, barking.

Skippy - if he wants to talk about Gatwick, then why doesn't he b***er off to that thread!
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Old 17th Jan 2009, 07:12
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Which bits are barking?

Are you advocating calling for push and start before being ready now " to attempt to keep the schedule" Interesting idea, maybe call as you get the bus to the aircraft just to be sure, to be sure.

Strangely enough all the other BRS operators also have schedules to keep and it is only one operator who consistantly shows a lack of professionalism in calling for start when not ready, often holding up the others.

If they are happy to show this lack of awareness to the rest of the world, imagine what happens in the confines of the flight deck.
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Old 17th Jan 2009, 20:00
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calling for start when not ready, often holding up the others
And who exactly have they held up? As I said, you're not crediting my colleagues and I with any intelligence or powers of judgement. They give us BIG windows to help us see what's going on and we act accordingly. No aircraft pushes without our permission so as far as we are concerned, we don't care if Mo'L himself is on board, they don't move until we're happy.
There is another operator at Brizzel who's crews regularly call for start before their pax have got off the bus, maybe you're confusing the two. Me, I don't give a rat's ass when they're ready, they get start or push and start when I see they're ready.

imagine what happens in the confines of the flight deck
I imagine they get on with their work. Do you have proof of anything else? If so I suggest you take it to the CAA, if not then you might not want to keep quiet.

As I said, woof woof!
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Old 17th Jan 2009, 22:26
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Calling for push /start!

Mr Noise,


And who exactly have they held up?
Er.....well me actually, admittedly a while ago(they have probably learned that it won't work at BRS now), but a certain a/c with a gold harp on its fin alongside me on stand 5 called for push & start before a tug had even arrived (shameless!), after several mins we called ,as we actually had a tug, their clearence was cancelled and off we went.

If so I suggest you take it to the CAA
I believe that would be the "IAA"

Cheers Silvertop
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Old 18th Jan 2009, 09:57
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Silvertop,

So a RYR called but didn't have a tug (bearing in mind the heads of stands 4 and 5 are blind to us) and was given push. Then you called several minutes later for push (assuming that you weren't ready at the same time as the RYR and therefore not in a position to call for push when they did), told my colleague you had a tug and the RYR didn't and he/she cancelled the RYR's push and pushed you instead.
I see no hold up unless you already had a tug at the time the RYR asked for push and you weren't quite bright enough to challenge my colleague's decision at the time. In which case, you only have yourself to blame DOH!

Have I missed something during my days off but I thought the CAA dealt with problems in the UK (were jackitin seems to be alleging that RYR are causing problems).
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Old 18th Jan 2009, 13:44
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Re WATABENCH's post 890 on 10th Jan:

"TCX might have 3 a/c in summer"

Is there any more information on this?
Which carrier will be operating the teleticket flights over easter and in october?
And I also heard somewhere that Monarch will be operating some flights as well over the summer? If this is true will this be as extra capacity for TCX or TOM ?
Any other summer news ...? (I realise its a little way off yet)
Thanks in advance.

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Old 18th Jan 2009, 16:33
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Mr Noise,

Well you asked "who exactly was delayed", and I thought I'd just let you know that on this particular occasion, well I was. No big thing really, I just thought your original comment was a bit sweeping.

I've absolutely nothing against RYR either, but this particular individual thought rather than be delayed by me pushing into the cul-de-sac he'd chance his arm, a bit of poor manners diplayed thats all.

Most pros will follow the un-written apron ettiquete so we don't have to get involved with distasteful whinging on your tower freq (already busy enough at BRS with ground & tower traffic actually) about some numpty having a go, of couse I'm not suggesting this would happen when you were on watch.

Cheers Silvertop
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Old 18th Jan 2009, 20:00
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Silvertop,
Sorry mate, still don't see where the delay came from on that occasion unless you politely sat waiting for him to get a tug then gave up waiting and spoke to us to sort it out.
Anyhoo, it was the sweeping generalisation that RYR were up to something faintly illegal or dangerous in jackitin's original post that I thought was a bit off.
Any nonsense on my frequency and those involved get the 'act like children, get treated like children' principle. Don't mind a bit of friendly banter though, lightens the mood sometimes.

Oh, and as for pilots 'chancing their arm', isn't that what you all do from time to time?
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 12:10
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BIA have launched their consultation phase for the proposed expansion. A short film and presentation can be found at www.thisisbristol.co.uk. Looks very impressive.
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 12:46
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Which carrier will be operating the teleticket flights over easter and in october?
Tenerife
All season - AEA

Las Palmas
April - Air Europa
October - Bmi

Arrecife
Bmi

Paphos
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 15:29
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Wow- the plans for expansion look fantastic- almost looks like a 'real' airport and Singapore, Hong Kong, Atlanta, Chicago, and Cape Town being targeted as future routes with NO runway extension?!

HOWEVER,

I just cannot see NS agreeing to airport expansion like that- we will probably end up with about 1/10th of that
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 15:38
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Santito

Think the new destinations mentioned are relating to the introduction of the 787/A350....

How great would it be to make a direct flight to Asia / SA from BRS...Think of the saving on the taxes, without having to route via Europe!!
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 15:47
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Yep aware of the equipment needed to reach these destinations!

Is there also some plan to move the taxiway then? as I believe it is too close to the runway to allow a 787 to taxi whilst another ac is using the runway?
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 16:55
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Non-tech comment:
One pictorial in the proposals shows the A38 road diverted to the East in an arc away from the current location. Does this enable the full 6598 ft (sorry, 2011 metres...) of runway to be used? 27 appears to have a displaced threshold. Or do they actually gain some more length without actually extending the runway? Sorry if that sounds double-dutch, but is there currently a "dead" area of runway immediate to the A38 road that can be brought into use as a "starter extension" without physically lengthening the runway.
Sorry, not familiar with the layout on-site. Just looking at the development plan blurb, and an old Pooleys.

EGCA

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Old 21st Jan 2009, 18:29
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santito,

It may well be that North Somerset Council does not have the final say. There is a possibility that a public enquiry might ensue or, if the council does make the decision and rejects the plans, there must be every likelihood the airport would seriously consider appealing such a decision.

A further complicator might be if the Conservatives win the next general election and re-evaluate the expansion plans for a number of UK airports because they spring from the White Paper on civil aviation and that was Labour's baby.

The full-length parallel taxiway is a problem for aircraft with wingspan wider than a 767 because of the adjacent airport boundary fence along Winters Lane and the idea in the original master plan was to overcome this by the use of turning circles in the short term, although they did not discount moving Winters Lane further north in the future. I suspect that would cause a bit of fun because Winters Lane is a public highway and any displacement would shift the road onto part of the golf course.

EGCA,

The A38 was diverted via the arc you mention several years ago.
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Old 25th Jan 2009, 19:03
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Greece Flights

Ive just been looking in the search engines of Olympoic and Libra Holidays trying to find details of their flights from BRS to Greece this summer. Beyond a peak season bmi HER charter, Olympic seem to be using TOM/TCX while I can only find Kos on sale of the Libra website.

Apart from the bmi HER flight I mentioned, does anyone know of any non-TOM/TCX flights to Greece for Libra or Olympic this summer. IIRC last year they used XLA
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