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Just read that the FCA BRS-SFB delayed the other day went direct to SFB? Is this true? I bet that made an intresting take off, I'm suprised it made it especially given the humidity recently. Surely if it can make it on one of the hottest days of the summer it could do it other times as well?
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Yup it did go direct, the figures added up ok for 09 & the take off..... I was told it was not Spectacular at all, the main gear left the runway just past Hold D.
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Well fair play to them, full power take off maybe? No bloody excuses now then ha ha, its been done and dusted on the shorter runway, and proves BRS to east coast USA on a wide body can be done direct, I would say thats a good day for BRS!
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Any photo available of the the FCA takeoff direct to SFB?
An Air Atlanta 767 went direct to Dominican Republic ex Cork a few years ago on a once off golf charter. She was kind of all ready on the roll from the taxiway leading on to runway 17 and was airborne quite uneventfully with a good measure of concrete left behind her. Watching some MD80 takeoffs can be far more exhilirating and sometimes you simply dont know whether to duck or not!
Any idea of the airfield wx conditions at Bristol at the time of the FCA departure.
Thanks. Greetings from Cork. Great ramp at Cork tonight. Gave a boost to the flagging spirit.
An Air Atlanta 767 went direct to Dominican Republic ex Cork a few years ago on a once off golf charter. She was kind of all ready on the roll from the taxiway leading on to runway 17 and was airborne quite uneventfully with a good measure of concrete left behind her. Watching some MD80 takeoffs can be far more exhilirating and sometimes you simply dont know whether to duck or not!
Any idea of the airfield wx conditions at Bristol at the time of the FCA departure.
Thanks. Greetings from Cork. Great ramp at Cork tonight. Gave a boost to the flagging spirit.
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Just found this....
01.08.08
Bristol Airport is finalising plans for a wind turbine as part of the hubs plans to improve energy efficiency and cut its emissions. The airport wants to site a 20-metre (65-foot) turbine, lower than the airfield's light columns, between the old and new terminals. Feasibility studies on the turbine are under way as part of the airport's move to improve its green credentials as it prepares to massively expand its operations.
The turbine proposed would create about 1.5-million kilowatt hours of clean energy each year for the airport – about 10 percent of its total power usage. When the studies are complete, the airport will consult North Somerset Council to move the plans forward.
An airport spokesman said: ‘We understand the turbine may not need a planning application, but we are seeking clarification at the moment and hope to install the turbine before the end of the year. If the current plans are given the go ahead more turbines of the same size could be built.'
The airport is also keen to work with local companies on ways to enable cooking oil to be recycled into fuel for its ground operations vehicles. Restaurants and cafes at Bristol currently produce around 270 litres of waste cooking oil every week. A bio-mass boiler, which would burn waste from local timber merchants to heat the terminal, is also under consideration.
The plans come as the airport prepares its £80m expansion plans. In November, it will submit a detailed planning application to North Somerset Council in a bid to increase passenger numbers from six million a year at present to nine million a year by 2015. Flights to and from the hub make up 0.4 percent of the West's carbon emissions, and could rise to 0.7 percent by 2015 if the proposed expansion goes ahead.
I've also heard there will be a weekly tree hug on the common
01.08.08
Bristol Airport is finalising plans for a wind turbine as part of the hubs plans to improve energy efficiency and cut its emissions. The airport wants to site a 20-metre (65-foot) turbine, lower than the airfield's light columns, between the old and new terminals. Feasibility studies on the turbine are under way as part of the airport's move to improve its green credentials as it prepares to massively expand its operations.
The turbine proposed would create about 1.5-million kilowatt hours of clean energy each year for the airport – about 10 percent of its total power usage. When the studies are complete, the airport will consult North Somerset Council to move the plans forward.
An airport spokesman said: ‘We understand the turbine may not need a planning application, but we are seeking clarification at the moment and hope to install the turbine before the end of the year. If the current plans are given the go ahead more turbines of the same size could be built.'
The airport is also keen to work with local companies on ways to enable cooking oil to be recycled into fuel for its ground operations vehicles. Restaurants and cafes at Bristol currently produce around 270 litres of waste cooking oil every week. A bio-mass boiler, which would burn waste from local timber merchants to heat the terminal, is also under consideration.
The plans come as the airport prepares its £80m expansion plans. In November, it will submit a detailed planning application to North Somerset Council in a bid to increase passenger numbers from six million a year at present to nine million a year by 2015. Flights to and from the hub make up 0.4 percent of the West's carbon emissions, and could rise to 0.7 percent by 2015 if the proposed expansion goes ahead.
I've also heard there will be a weekly tree hug on the common
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Lufthansa Emergency Landing
From the Evening Post Today
A passenger plane was forced to make an emergency landing at Bristol Airport this morning after pilots detected the smell of smoke in the cockpit.
The Lufthansa flight - LH2965 - which was carrying 31 passengers and 4 crew, took off from the airport at 6.30am but returned as a precautionary measure after reporting a technical problem.
Fire and ambulance services attended the scene, and all of those on board safely disembarked from the plane.
They are now being rebooked on later flights.
Lufthansa spokesman Dave Sanders said: “There was a technical issue that the pilot became aware of shortly after take-off, and he decided to return to the airport instead of continuing with his flight, landing safely at 7.09am.
“The pilot reported a smell of smoke in the cockpit. This could have been dust in the cockpit, but until an examination of the plane is carried out we can't be sure.”
Authorities were alerted and the emergency services were put on standby, following the standard procedure when an aircraft reports a potential technical fault.
Mr Sanders said: “At no point were any of the passengers in danger, and an engineer is due to come over from Germany today to examine the aircraft.”
Bristol Airport spokesman James Gore said: “The plane returned the airport when the crew reported a smell of smoke in the cockpit. All the passengers got off safely.”
A passenger plane was forced to make an emergency landing at Bristol Airport this morning after pilots detected the smell of smoke in the cockpit.
The Lufthansa flight - LH2965 - which was carrying 31 passengers and 4 crew, took off from the airport at 6.30am but returned as a precautionary measure after reporting a technical problem.
Fire and ambulance services attended the scene, and all of those on board safely disembarked from the plane.
They are now being rebooked on later flights.
Lufthansa spokesman Dave Sanders said: “There was a technical issue that the pilot became aware of shortly after take-off, and he decided to return to the airport instead of continuing with his flight, landing safely at 7.09am.
“The pilot reported a smell of smoke in the cockpit. This could have been dust in the cockpit, but until an examination of the plane is carried out we can't be sure.”
Authorities were alerted and the emergency services were put on standby, following the standard procedure when an aircraft reports a potential technical fault.
Mr Sanders said: “At no point were any of the passengers in danger, and an engineer is due to come over from Germany today to examine the aircraft.”
Bristol Airport spokesman James Gore said: “The plane returned the airport when the crew reported a smell of smoke in the cockpit. All the passengers got off safely.”
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Sounds like LH4965 (rather than LH2965...)
There's been an ongoing issue with 146's, and nasty smells entering the cockpit / cabin during t/off. IIRC, there's work going on now to work out what it is causing the problem; suggestions that it's due to the location of the air inlets relative to the engines.
I've certainly had a couple of smelly t/offs in 146's (not just LH's). Always safer to come back down again, but I don't think any of them have ever resulted in mid-air danger.
There's been an ongoing issue with 146's, and nasty smells entering the cockpit / cabin during t/off. IIRC, there's work going on now to work out what it is causing the problem; suggestions that it's due to the location of the air inlets relative to the engines.
I've certainly had a couple of smelly t/offs in 146's (not just LH's). Always safer to come back down again, but I don't think any of them have ever resulted in mid-air danger.
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Wind Turbine
If this turbine does need planning permission it will be interesting to see the reaction of North Somerset Council planning councillors who seem to view it as their sacred duty to oppose any planning application the airport submits.
They might have to wrestle with their ‘green consciences’ though, especially as up the coast in the neighbouring Bristol City Council area there are three huge turbines at Avonmouth Docks that are each six times the height of the proposed BRS one and they generate ten times the amount of energy. Furthermore, there is a big one on the Mendips just north of Wells.
KLM Cancellations
Lot’s of doom and gloom in the CWL thread about cancelled KLM flights.
It seems to me that BRS is suffering as much, if not more.
So far this week I have noticed the mid morning rotation (KL 1049/1050) cancelled on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. The last inbound of Tuesday night (KL 1057) did not operate which meant the early outbound on Wednesday (KL 1046) didn’t either, meaning the first outbound yesterday was the lunchtime departure.
Today I notice the teatime rotation (KL1053/1054) has been cancelled.
This is over 30% of the flights on the first four working days of this week.
I believe the problem lies mainly with the serviceability of the Fokker aircraft. Be that as it may, how can anyone rely on this airline with cancellations of this magnitude, particularly if AMS is being used as a hub for onward travel?
They might have to wrestle with their ‘green consciences’ though, especially as up the coast in the neighbouring Bristol City Council area there are three huge turbines at Avonmouth Docks that are each six times the height of the proposed BRS one and they generate ten times the amount of energy. Furthermore, there is a big one on the Mendips just north of Wells.
KLM Cancellations
Lot’s of doom and gloom in the CWL thread about cancelled KLM flights.
It seems to me that BRS is suffering as much, if not more.
So far this week I have noticed the mid morning rotation (KL 1049/1050) cancelled on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. The last inbound of Tuesday night (KL 1057) did not operate which meant the early outbound on Wednesday (KL 1046) didn’t either, meaning the first outbound yesterday was the lunchtime departure.
Today I notice the teatime rotation (KL1053/1054) has been cancelled.
This is over 30% of the flights on the first four working days of this week.
I believe the problem lies mainly with the serviceability of the Fokker aircraft. Be that as it may, how can anyone rely on this airline with cancellations of this magnitude, particularly if AMS is being used as a hub for onward travel?
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just read on another website that the budapest and rzeszow routes are going to be dropped from november/december. First Easyjet now Ryanair with that budapest flight going, is there ver going to be an airline that will fly to Budapest from BRS and not drop the route after a year?!!!
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I agree M.V.
I've been on a couple of transatlantic trip from BRS on the early morning KL flight, both were delayed. One with only minor delays (delayed to 06:45) and the other until 07:30. KLM staff have been great at AMS though both times.. especially when rebooking us.
I've been on a couple of transatlantic trip from BRS on the early morning KL flight, both were delayed. One with only minor delays (delayed to 06:45) and the other until 07:30. KLM staff have been great at AMS though both times.. especially when rebooking us.
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Goldilocks,
I don't think it's quite as bad as that.
Some weeks ago Ryanair announced it was suspending all flights to Basel, Budapest, Krakow, Palma, Rzeszow, Salzburg and Valencia between 4 November and 19 December.
The reason Ryanair gave was that these airports are amongst the most expensive in Europe (I assume it means of the airports Ryanair uses) and it cannot charge high enough fares to make them profitable in the off-peak winter season.
The airline also said these airports declined to reduce fees during the winter season, hence the suspensions.
Flights from BRS to both Budapest and Rzeszow are certainly bookable for January though not during the 'closed' period mentioned above. Ryanair don't fly from Bristol to the other airports involved.
NQYGuy,
There was a time when my wife and I used the KLM AMS connection for both Canada and the USA from BRS quite regularly and the service then was both reliable and of good quality, apart from baggage being mislaid at AMS on more than one occasion although it turned up within 24 hours.
I'm not sure I would be relaxed about using the KLM Cityhopper connection at the moment.
I don't think it's quite as bad as that.
Some weeks ago Ryanair announced it was suspending all flights to Basel, Budapest, Krakow, Palma, Rzeszow, Salzburg and Valencia between 4 November and 19 December.
The reason Ryanair gave was that these airports are amongst the most expensive in Europe (I assume it means of the airports Ryanair uses) and it cannot charge high enough fares to make them profitable in the off-peak winter season.
The airline also said these airports declined to reduce fees during the winter season, hence the suspensions.
Flights from BRS to both Budapest and Rzeszow are certainly bookable for January though not during the 'closed' period mentioned above. Ryanair don't fly from Bristol to the other airports involved.
NQYGuy,
There was a time when my wife and I used the KLM AMS connection for both Canada and the USA from BRS quite regularly and the service then was both reliable and of good quality, apart from baggage being mislaid at AMS on more than one occasion although it turned up within 24 hours.
I'm not sure I would be relaxed about using the KLM Cityhopper connection at the moment.
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SN Brussels Airlines Bristol - Split
I will shortly be travelling on SN Brussels Airlines 15:15 flight to Split which departs every Saturday. The incoming aircraft used to arrive from Brussels but recently the flight does not appear on the arrival board. Is there a particular reason for this? Does the flight arrive empty or is the aircraft based in Bristol?
For the last month, the 15:15 Split flight always seems to be delayed, ranging from 45 minutes to 1 hour. I have just looked at the departure board today and once again it is delayed, estimated to depart at 16:02. Is there a particular reason for the constant delay on this flight? Thanks
For the last month, the 15:15 Split flight always seems to be delayed, ranging from 45 minutes to 1 hour. I have just looked at the departure board today and once again it is delayed, estimated to depart at 16:02. Is there a particular reason for the constant delay on this flight? Thanks
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KLM Canx
I gave up on KL when I got with three cancellations in a row. When trying to do a day's work in Europe, it's no good if the 06:15 goes tech; by the time you get onto the midday flight, it's too late. I'd be furious if I lost a day in Asia or the States because of that.
I'm noticing more people with Flying Blue tags on the Lufthansa flights, but it takes a while for frequent fliers to change allegiances (although those wishing to might note that bmi has a generous status match policy for fliers from other alliances, and of course LH and BD are both *A airlines). And CO is heading for *A next year.
I wonder if KL are CANXing Bristol flights for reasons other than technical (or not directly related to the aircraft on the AMS-BRS route). If midday loads are low, maybe it's just cheaper to CANX and rebook people?
As for missing bags - I've lost count of the number of people who's bags haven't made it through AMS. But then, when you do the bus transfer from the apron to the terminal behind some of the luggage carts, you can see why bags disappear. Crazy driving.
I'm noticing more people with Flying Blue tags on the Lufthansa flights, but it takes a while for frequent fliers to change allegiances (although those wishing to might note that bmi has a generous status match policy for fliers from other alliances, and of course LH and BD are both *A airlines). And CO is heading for *A next year.
I wonder if KL are CANXing Bristol flights for reasons other than technical (or not directly related to the aircraft on the AMS-BRS route). If midday loads are low, maybe it's just cheaper to CANX and rebook people?
As for missing bags - I've lost count of the number of people who's bags haven't made it through AMS. But then, when you do the bus transfer from the apron to the terminal behind some of the luggage carts, you can see why bags disappear. Crazy driving.
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I have to admit I hadn't noticed the number of KLM cancellations recently and fully understand why passengers are frustrated. However, without sounding too defensive of the airline because I have no links with them, aircraft do suffer from technical problems which cannot always been foreseen.
I agree with Bristol Traveller in that I would be annoyed if my plans were ruined but if there is a technical problem I would rather not get on the aircraft.
The airline I work for has never to this day cancelled a flight on the day of departure due to passenger numbers. I cannot say this will not happen with other carriers especially in the current climate and it would be worth contacting the CAA, as they can locate the exact cause from the carrier. If it is the commercial cancellation on the day you are entitled to compensation which whilst it wont get your day back, may contribute towards any other flight ticket you have to purchase to get to your destination.
Out of curiosity EasyJet dont operate to Amsterdam from BRS do they?
I agree with Bristol Traveller in that I would be annoyed if my plans were ruined but if there is a technical problem I would rather not get on the aircraft.
The airline I work for has never to this day cancelled a flight on the day of departure due to passenger numbers. I cannot say this will not happen with other carriers especially in the current climate and it would be worth contacting the CAA, as they can locate the exact cause from the carrier. If it is the commercial cancellation on the day you are entitled to compensation which whilst it wont get your day back, may contribute towards any other flight ticket you have to purchase to get to your destination.
Out of curiosity EasyJet dont operate to Amsterdam from BRS do they?
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The other disappointing aspect in the short-term is that the provisional
EMB-190 schedule makes no reference to Bristol or Cardiff. This certainly
might have helped with reliability.
I was surprised at how quick they are coming online with EDI getting
a rotation in December and Manchester in the new year I believe.
I know the 190 is really a replacement for the F100 but I believe BRS
& CWL do have at least one flight a day each don't they?
I am not sure of the speed of delivery of the 190 but the schedules I
have seen only go up to the end of March.
Is it right that KLM intend to keep the F70's for a good few more years?
Pete
EMB-190 schedule makes no reference to Bristol or Cardiff. This certainly
might have helped with reliability.
I was surprised at how quick they are coming online with EDI getting
a rotation in December and Manchester in the new year I believe.
I know the 190 is really a replacement for the F100 but I believe BRS
& CWL do have at least one flight a day each don't they?
I am not sure of the speed of delivery of the 190 but the schedules I
have seen only go up to the end of March.
Is it right that KLM intend to keep the F70's for a good few more years?
Pete
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Out of curiosity EasyJet dont operate to Amsterdam from BRS do they?
I know the 190 is really a replacement for the F100 but I believe BRS
& CWL do have at least one flight a day each don't they?
& CWL do have at least one flight a day each don't they?
Finally, the Red Arrows aircraft spent the night parked at BRS and are due to perform at the Bristol International Balloon Fiesta around 1600 today.
If anyone is in the area they might be interested to have a look.
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KLM Canx - I'm not suggesting that KLM are deliberately canx'ing BRS flights. I wonder if, when their fleet is running tight with tech failures, they're allocating available aircraft to busier routes. It would be a sensible commercial decision.
AirFrance-KLM is relatively well represented at BRS. I wonder if anyone's been re-routed through CDG as a result of a AMS canx?
In any event, KL are gaining reputation for not flying, and that's not a good thing to have.
AirFrance-KLM is relatively well represented at BRS. I wonder if anyone's been re-routed through CDG as a result of a AMS canx?
In any event, KL are gaining reputation for not flying, and that's not a good thing to have.
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Ah, you'll love this one........
Have you heard the one about the world renowned aerobatic team who wanted to park on the western apron at Bristol so they could have access to the ATC facilities but were told that they couldn't use the security gate beside the tower because they didn't have the requisite security passes? So they parked on the southside instead, where it appears, DfT aren't worried about security.
Dontcha just love the Dept for Tw*ts, sorry, I meant Dept for Transport.
Have you heard the one about the world renowned aerobatic team who wanted to park on the western apron at Bristol so they could have access to the ATC facilities but were told that they couldn't use the security gate beside the tower because they didn't have the requisite security passes? So they parked on the southside instead, where it appears, DfT aren't worried about security.
Dontcha just love the Dept for Tw*ts, sorry, I meant Dept for Transport.
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EZ Bristol Dalaman?
do any of the more established members have any info on new Bristol EasyJet routes based on the old GB airways' ones?
Especially interested in Bristol to Turkish, Greek and Canaries destinations.
It's only a hunch, and it may not happen in the current climate but it would seem a reasonable business decision to use their main provincial hub when the economy picks up again, as the destinations are available.
Especially interested in Bristol to Turkish, Greek and Canaries destinations.
It's only a hunch, and it may not happen in the current climate but it would seem a reasonable business decision to use their main provincial hub when the economy picks up again, as the destinations are available.