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They are not. As a matter of fact, the majority of seats on these flights are sold to some tour operators selling holidays to Sardinia and the greek island of Crete.
They are not. As a matter of fact, the majority of seats on these flights are sold to some tour operators selling holidays to Sardinia and the greek island of Crete.
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My Mum & Dad are flying to Herlakion next week and they are scheduled services as they booked the flight with Jet2 as they do normally. Jet2 sell the flight as they do with all their services. Definately a schduled service as the Jet2 charters, certainly from Leeds you can only book via a tour operator.
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Yes they are. The tour operators in question are buying seat allocations on a scheduled service. None of them are a principle charterer on the routes in question.
This is common place on a number of Jet2 scheduled services and scheduled services by other carriers up and down the country.
In contrast, LBA-VRN for example which is a charter, Crystal Holidays being the principle charterer of a Jet2 aircraft
Yes they are. The tour operators in question are buying seat allocations on a scheduled service. None of them are a principle charterer on the routes in question.
This is common place on a number of Jet2 scheduled services and scheduled services by other carriers up and down the country.
In contrast, LBA-VRN for example which is a charter, Crystal Holidays being the principle charterer of a Jet2 aircraft
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I flew into LBA from Faro yesterday afternoon... most hellish landing I've ever had, and I've had a few. Very windy.
Didn't bother me at all, but emotions were running high throughout the cabin, suffice to say. Tears the lot.
Not getting at you Harrogate.
You know I often read things similar where people say turbulence does'nt bother them at all. I wonder why when the pilots are sometimes scared out of their wits.Is this because they know the dangers.
Turbulence and windshear can be very nasty indeed and unpredictable.This is very stressful for the pilots.
I recall the so-called mountain wave reported over the Pyrenees last year I think.Aircraft were almost virtually falling out of the sky with loss of control.
I have to admit,I have flown more than 1000 times and tubulence bothers me sometimes.Also probably on 5 occasions I experienced sheer terror.
I flew into LBA from Faro yesterday afternoon... most hellish landing I've ever had, and I've had a few. Very windy.
Didn't bother me at all, but emotions were running high throughout the cabin, suffice to say. Tears the lot.
Not getting at you Harrogate.
You know I often read things similar where people say turbulence does'nt bother them at all. I wonder why when the pilots are sometimes scared out of their wits.Is this because they know the dangers.
Turbulence and windshear can be very nasty indeed and unpredictable.This is very stressful for the pilots.
I recall the so-called mountain wave reported over the Pyrenees last year I think.Aircraft were almost virtually falling out of the sky with loss of control.
I have to admit,I have flown more than 1000 times and tubulence bothers me sometimes.Also probably on 5 occasions I experienced sheer terror.
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There's a big difference between turbulence which makes you spill your coffee, and that which has hosties bouncing off the ceiling and shakes your eyes in their sockets.
I've flown through a mountain wave and also landed at LBA with -25 shear on short final and preceeding jet moaning about turb, both in a light single. Yet I've also been onboard a jet out of JFK which flew through CBs and got stiffed by 3000ft/min up & downdrafts. The former were unnerving, the latter just plain scary. When was the last time you had the hosties tell you to pour all hot drinks on the floor?
Noone's saying turbulence is nice, but remember that the ICAO definition of severe turbulence is that likely to result in airframe damage. The majority of people I would suspect never experience anything more than light, or occasionally moderate turbulence. Some scoff at the "fasten belts when seated" speech, but once you've seen people slapped between ceiling and floor you don't need to be asked twice!
I've flown through a mountain wave and also landed at LBA with -25 shear on short final and preceeding jet moaning about turb, both in a light single. Yet I've also been onboard a jet out of JFK which flew through CBs and got stiffed by 3000ft/min up & downdrafts. The former were unnerving, the latter just plain scary. When was the last time you had the hosties tell you to pour all hot drinks on the floor?
Noone's saying turbulence is nice, but remember that the ICAO definition of severe turbulence is that likely to result in airframe damage. The majority of people I would suspect never experience anything more than light, or occasionally moderate turbulence. Some scoff at the "fasten belts when seated" speech, but once you've seen people slapped between ceiling and floor you don't need to be asked twice!
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I remember sitting in the back row in a 747 economy class cabin (Row 55 I think but I'm sure someone will correct me 
) JNB-LHR when we hit turbulence somewhere over Africa. As the a/c pitched nose down the next bulkhead seemed a long way away. Cabin service was still going on as the turbulence was somewhat unexpected and a trolley rolled past with a CCM trying gamely to hold on to it, before it rammed a sleeping pax a few rows ahead. Not nice at all and quite entertaining in retrospect (though admittedly not for the pax with the bruised arm). The only time I've felt truly unnerved was in a F27 (remember them?) BFS - EMA on a really vile night. We got into EMA first go, all credit to the goold old BMA crew 
No discernible LBA connection in this post: my apologies!
) JNB-LHR when we hit turbulence somewhere over Africa. As the a/c pitched nose down the next bulkhead seemed a long way away. Cabin service was still going on as the turbulence was somewhat unexpected and a trolley rolled past with a CCM trying gamely to hold on to it, before it rammed a sleeping pax a few rows ahead. Not nice at all and quite entertaining in retrospect (though admittedly not for the pax with the bruised arm). The only time I've felt truly unnerved was in a F27 (remember them?) BFS - EMA on a really vile night. We got into EMA first go, all credit to the goold old BMA crew No discernible LBA connection in this post: my apologies!
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Not getting at you Harrogate.
You know I often read things similar where people say turbulence does'nt bother them at all. I wonder why when the pilots are sometimes scared out of their wits.Is this because they know the dangers.
Turbulence and windshear can be very nasty indeed and unpredictable.This is very stressful for the pilots.
You know I often read things similar where people say turbulence does'nt bother them at all. I wonder why when the pilots are sometimes scared out of their wits.Is this because they know the dangers.
Turbulence and windshear can be very nasty indeed and unpredictable.This is very stressful for the pilots.
I think I lost my fear after a near death experience (not flying related) a few years ago
Bizarre, but true.
You should see what I do for fun.
Anyways, it probably wasn't as hairy as this...
YouTube - awsome crosswind landing at leeds and bradistan airport
(I didn't name that video, by the way.)
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Exciting news for Leeds Bradford Airport
From today's Yorkshire Post Business Section:
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An airport to be proud of
Published Date:
01 July 2008
By Bernard Ginns Business Editor
Leeds Bradford International Airport has revealed ambitious plans to introduce new medium and long-haul routes and expand passenger numbers.
Bridgepoint Capital, the private equity firm which bought the airport for £145.5m a year ago, has promised to spend £70m to improve the experience of passengers and help boost business and tourism in the region.
Tony Hallwood, the airport's new commercial and aviation development director, said plans to enhance the terminal would be made public by the end of this year in the first stage of a process to "give Yorkshire an airport it can be proud of".
He said he wants to increase the number of airport passengers from nearly three million to five million a year by 2013 and increase the number of destinations from 75 to 100.
Mr Hallwood, two months into his new job, said: "I want to see Leeds Bradford International Airport (LBIA) become one of the fastest growing regional airports in the UK so we can secure our goal of being top 10 in the next decade."
He added: "It's about putting Leeds and Bradford on the world map. A successful international airport is a great status symbol for the region."
He said business support was "critical" to the future of the airport, which is based at Yeadon, nine miles from Leeds. In his last role, as aviation development director at Bristol International Airport, he increased the number of scheduled destinations from 24 to 77 in five years which he said was achieved by working closely with the business community in south-west England.
In Yorkshire, he said he wants to collaborate with Yorkshire Forward, the IoD, the CBI and other business partners. "We want to drive more business into this fantastic region (which) will generate more employment and a higher international profile," he said.
Mr Hallwood said he would be focussing on medium to long-haul flights, hoping for a new scheduled service to the west coast of America "in the next two to three years". Within five years, he said the airport would look to introduce a scheduled service direct to Dubai. He said the Middle East could be used as a gateway for onward flights to China, Japan and Australasia.
The forthcoming 787 'Dreamliner' under development by Boeing "would bring a wider range of destinations in range from the airport". The twin-engine plane will be lighter and more fuel-efficient than previous airliners and is scheduled to enter service next year.
Mr Hallwood said: "We are talking to a range of airlines at present about the potential to introduce new routes in 2009."
Pakistan International Airlines commences its Islamabad service tomorrow. Jet2 launches its three-night shopping break to New York in November.
Like other sectors, the aviation industry has been hit by rising fuel prices. But Mr Hallwood was bullish about the future prospects for the sector.
He added: "In the end, any business is cyclical. Although oil prices are high at the present time, there will be a time when these prices look to stabilise and look to fall.
"People's desire to fly and travel remains unabated. The desire for people to take their traditional holiday and short break will continue. On the back of that, we have seen an increasing desire for overseas visitors to explore our region."
There has been criticism from elements within the region's business community about the airport and some of its staff. A correspondent to our letters page said he rated the airport among the worst four in the world, with Newark, New York, Los Angeles and London Heathrow, because of its "surly indifference to the needs of the passenger, lousy expensive food and a security regime to rival the Stazi at its worst".
In response, Mr Hallwood said: "We have new investors who are committed to spending £70m (on) improving our facilities for customers. We acknowledge we need to enhance the quality and level and choice of our facility. All we are asking for is a little patience."
He added: "We are aiming to create an airport that people in the region can feel proud of. The big development we are looking for will help us to bring passengers back to Leeds who traditionally over the last decade have decided to cross the Pennines to fly from Manchester. We are now addressing that."
Mr Hallwood would not disclose much detail on proposals for the first stage of the terminal redevelopment – "it is still very much under discussion" – other than promising investment in landside and airside facilities, including the retail and catering offerings and security services.
He said a £3m project to enhance the area outside the terminal would begin this week, which will see improvements to the drop-off and pick-up area. Mr Hallwood also said the number of long-term car parking spaces will be increased from 2,500 to more than 3,000.
Bridgepoint Capital, the European private equity firm, bought LBIA last May from five West Yorkshire local authorities in a transaction totalling £145.5m.
The company was reticent when approached for comment recently, with a spokesman saying: "We believe in backing management and letting them operate the business. They are in the best position to talk about what has happened."
Bridgepoint's profits will be generated by increased passenger numbers, said Mr Hallwood. Asked if LBIA was currently profitable, he said: "Yes it is. Our turnover is in excess of £20m."
He declined to give profit data, saying audited figures for the full financial year were not yet available.
Mr Hallwood is confident he will succeed in improving the fortunes of Leeds Bradford International Airport. "I have done it before," he said, referring to Bristol. "I can do it again."
* Last Updated: 01 July 2008 7:58 AM
Quote:
An airport to be proud of
Published Date:
01 July 2008
By Bernard Ginns Business Editor
Leeds Bradford International Airport has revealed ambitious plans to introduce new medium and long-haul routes and expand passenger numbers.
Bridgepoint Capital, the private equity firm which bought the airport for £145.5m a year ago, has promised to spend £70m to improve the experience of passengers and help boost business and tourism in the region.
Tony Hallwood, the airport's new commercial and aviation development director, said plans to enhance the terminal would be made public by the end of this year in the first stage of a process to "give Yorkshire an airport it can be proud of".
He said he wants to increase the number of airport passengers from nearly three million to five million a year by 2013 and increase the number of destinations from 75 to 100.
Mr Hallwood, two months into his new job, said: "I want to see Leeds Bradford International Airport (LBIA) become one of the fastest growing regional airports in the UK so we can secure our goal of being top 10 in the next decade."
He added: "It's about putting Leeds and Bradford on the world map. A successful international airport is a great status symbol for the region."
He said business support was "critical" to the future of the airport, which is based at Yeadon, nine miles from Leeds. In his last role, as aviation development director at Bristol International Airport, he increased the number of scheduled destinations from 24 to 77 in five years which he said was achieved by working closely with the business community in south-west England.
In Yorkshire, he said he wants to collaborate with Yorkshire Forward, the IoD, the CBI and other business partners. "We want to drive more business into this fantastic region (which) will generate more employment and a higher international profile," he said.
Mr Hallwood said he would be focussing on medium to long-haul flights, hoping for a new scheduled service to the west coast of America "in the next two to three years". Within five years, he said the airport would look to introduce a scheduled service direct to Dubai. He said the Middle East could be used as a gateway for onward flights to China, Japan and Australasia.
The forthcoming 787 'Dreamliner' under development by Boeing "would bring a wider range of destinations in range from the airport". The twin-engine plane will be lighter and more fuel-efficient than previous airliners and is scheduled to enter service next year.
Mr Hallwood said: "We are talking to a range of airlines at present about the potential to introduce new routes in 2009."
Pakistan International Airlines commences its Islamabad service tomorrow. Jet2 launches its three-night shopping break to New York in November.
Like other sectors, the aviation industry has been hit by rising fuel prices. But Mr Hallwood was bullish about the future prospects for the sector.
He added: "In the end, any business is cyclical. Although oil prices are high at the present time, there will be a time when these prices look to stabilise and look to fall.
"People's desire to fly and travel remains unabated. The desire for people to take their traditional holiday and short break will continue. On the back of that, we have seen an increasing desire for overseas visitors to explore our region."
There has been criticism from elements within the region's business community about the airport and some of its staff. A correspondent to our letters page said he rated the airport among the worst four in the world, with Newark, New York, Los Angeles and London Heathrow, because of its "surly indifference to the needs of the passenger, lousy expensive food and a security regime to rival the Stazi at its worst".
In response, Mr Hallwood said: "We have new investors who are committed to spending £70m (on) improving our facilities for customers. We acknowledge we need to enhance the quality and level and choice of our facility. All we are asking for is a little patience."
He added: "We are aiming to create an airport that people in the region can feel proud of. The big development we are looking for will help us to bring passengers back to Leeds who traditionally over the last decade have decided to cross the Pennines to fly from Manchester. We are now addressing that."
Mr Hallwood would not disclose much detail on proposals for the first stage of the terminal redevelopment – "it is still very much under discussion" – other than promising investment in landside and airside facilities, including the retail and catering offerings and security services.
He said a £3m project to enhance the area outside the terminal would begin this week, which will see improvements to the drop-off and pick-up area. Mr Hallwood also said the number of long-term car parking spaces will be increased from 2,500 to more than 3,000.
Bridgepoint Capital, the European private equity firm, bought LBIA last May from five West Yorkshire local authorities in a transaction totalling £145.5m.
The company was reticent when approached for comment recently, with a spokesman saying: "We believe in backing management and letting them operate the business. They are in the best position to talk about what has happened."
Bridgepoint's profits will be generated by increased passenger numbers, said Mr Hallwood. Asked if LBIA was currently profitable, he said: "Yes it is. Our turnover is in excess of £20m."
He declined to give profit data, saying audited figures for the full financial year were not yet available.
Mr Hallwood is confident he will succeed in improving the fortunes of Leeds Bradford International Airport. "I have done it before," he said, referring to Bristol. "I can do it again."
* Last Updated: 01 July 2008 7:58 AM
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Flybe have confirmed that they are to reinstate their Leeds/Bradford - Aberdeen route as of the winter 2008/09 schedule.
The route will be once again be operated as a through service with the Exeter based aircraft 5 days a week.
The route will be once again be operated as a through service with the Exeter based aircraft 5 days a week.
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Pakistan International arrives
Well done to the Airport management team for facilitating the quick replacement of the Shaheen Islamabad service. The PIA A310 tonight looked a real gem with its unique tail design, and the passenger loadings looked healthy too.
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PIA
Anybody see the first flight tonight?.
Thought I just heard it depart.Was it in the latest livery of PIA?.
Would be great if anyone has a photo of it,never did get to see Shaheen first hand at LBA.
Sorry Setelup,you beat me to it,got distracted by Big Brother,sad I know!.
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Thought I just heard it depart.Was it in the latest livery of PIA?.
Would be great if anyone has a photo of it,never did get to see Shaheen first hand at LBA.
Sorry Setelup,you beat me to it,got distracted by Big Brother,sad I know!.
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It was one of the 187 seaters AP-BEU to be exact. Peshawar tail for the experts.
Pic of aircraft in question, but not at Leeds JetPhotos.Net Photo » AP-BEU (CN: 691) Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) Airbus A310-308 by Jakkrit
Pic of aircraft in question, but not at Leeds JetPhotos.Net Photo » AP-BEU (CN: 691) Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) Airbus A310-308 by Jakkrit
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Pakistan flights
What are peoples thoughts on this new operator of Islamabad flights from LBA?.
Given that Shaheen Air first attempt at long haul flights seemed popular,until their problems with suitable aircraft brought flights from LBA to an abrupt end,what do you think the future holds?.
Obviously PIA is a recognised brand being the flag carrier for Pakistan.Can we expect an increase in frequency,larger aircraft,additional destinations,as their flights from MAN already established.
Given that Shaheen Air first attempt at long haul flights seemed popular,until their problems with suitable aircraft brought flights from LBA to an abrupt end,what do you think the future holds?.
Obviously PIA is a recognised brand being the flag carrier for Pakistan.Can we expect an increase in frequency,larger aircraft,additional destinations,as their flights from MAN already established.
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Hope we see some more routes, Probably be night flights again.
Think it will just be A310's
Think 777 would struggle off R15 with a full load.
Hopefully Happy days ahead for PIA at LBIA.
Think it will just be A310's
Think 777 would struggle off R15 with a full load.
Hopefully Happy days ahead for PIA at LBIA.