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Certainly hope not!
I think Monarch has sorted a lot out with the recent negotiations. Hopefully things will continue to improve. Given the 'owners' of the company, doubt it will ever go bust - too good a tax writeoff.!
Shame some of the posters on here are so blind to what is happening at GSM. Perhpas the blindingly obvious is dazzling them through their rose-tinted glasses. A lot of good people are leaving or trying to leave. It's never the sign of a company doing well.
I think Monarch has sorted a lot out with the recent negotiations. Hopefully things will continue to improve. Given the 'owners' of the company, doubt it will ever go bust - too good a tax writeoff.!
Shame some of the posters on here are so blind to what is happening at GSM. Perhpas the blindingly obvious is dazzling them through their rose-tinted glasses. A lot of good people are leaving or trying to leave. It's never the sign of a company doing well.
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As Dogma says ETOPS on the 737 by skippers with no previous jet time , never mind oceanic or ETOPS exp' with cadets who pay for the privellege in the RHS , no thanks !
There is at least one capt there whose previous experience is entirely on a turbo prop and was never much of a star on that by all accounts , few months in GSM , now a skipper on the NOrth Atlantic with winter approaching ! mind blowing!
There is at least one capt there whose previous experience is entirely on a turbo prop and was never much of a star on that by all accounts , few months in GSM , now a skipper on the NOrth Atlantic with winter approaching ! mind blowing!
I was a bit surprised to hear that Gsm had lost its etops approval. I operated the B767 on many etops flights and everything was above board, having been to sanford/calgary/vancouver/toronto/capetown and on 757 barbados/new york/toronto. We used 180 for 76 and never really anymore than 138 on 75, wasnt needed.
We never had an engine problem on 767 neway or any nav problems and have also been as far north as 68N everythink working.
I know on Iceair 757 which was wetleased there were a few shutdowns
I hear and read the Dfo has been replaced by Bob........
now thats a gent in all senses, hard working crew orientated professional. Hope commercial consult him before just launching a service.
So whats goin on
I know nothing of the way the B737 series was operated except it seemed to stop alot....dont know the aircraft
We never had an engine problem on 767 neway or any nav problems and have also been as far north as 68N everythink working.
I know on Iceair 757 which was wetleased there were a few shutdowns
I hear and read the Dfo has been replaced by Bob........
now thats a gent in all senses, hard working crew orientated professional. Hope commercial consult him before just launching a service.So whats goin on
I know nothing of the way the B737 series was operated except it seemed to stop alot....dont know the aircraft
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I must admit that after working within an airline for quite a number of years I have found out where they have all been going wrong.
If only the Commercial Departments had actually sought the permission of the DFO prior to looking at routes the industry would be in a much more robust shape.
You learn something new everyday
If only the Commercial Departments had actually sought the permission of the DFO prior to looking at routes the industry would be in a much more robust shape.
You learn something new everyday
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I agree, Bob's 'promotion' only fills me with confidence. A nice guy, who takes time to explain, inform, and generally seems a good guy to have about.
I'm over on the 737. The operation is understandably tighter. But I think that we are/were operating to the required standard. Bob did a line check on one of my trips, and no significant problems, or concerns raised. Just like a normal line check, really.
I agree, Bob's 'promotion' only fills me with confidence. A nice guy, who takes time to explain, inform, and generally seems a good guy to have about.
I'm over on the 737. The operation is understandably tighter. But I think that we are/were operating to the required standard. Bob did a line check on one of my trips, and no significant problems, or concerns raised. Just like a normal line check, really.
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Which Airline did you work for then Hover Overviewer ? You appear to have worked for one Airline but give an opinion covering ALL airlines.
In the last 30 years I have worked for 3 and Commercial ALWAYS talked to Operations and Flight Ops to ensure a route or airfield was acceptable.
How else would Commercial know before contracting or selling if a particular aircraft type or payload could be flown into or out of an airfield safely or be crewed.
As you say you learn something everyday
In the last 30 years I have worked for 3 and Commercial ALWAYS talked to Operations and Flight Ops to ensure a route or airfield was acceptable.
How else would Commercial know before contracting or selling if a particular aircraft type or payload could be flown into or out of an airfield safely or be crewed.
As you say you learn something everyday
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Member,
I have worked for various airlines over 25 years. If you read the post correctly, the comment I was refering to is "Hope commercial consult him before just launching a service". I have enough experience gained within an airline HQ enviroment to know that any new route is a "team game".
When I say team game I mean all departments not the say so from one person.
I hope that this satisfies your obviously superior knowledge of working within an airline HQ
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I am only one post behind you now
I have not learnt anything new today but just confirmed certain belief's.
I have worked for various airlines over 25 years. If you read the post correctly, the comment I was refering to is "Hope commercial consult him before just launching a service". I have enough experience gained within an airline HQ enviroment to know that any new route is a "team game".
When I say team game I mean all departments not the say so from one person.
I hope that this satisfies your obviously superior knowledge of working within an airline HQ
.I am only one post behind you now
I have not learnt anything new today but just confirmed certain belief's.
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Member,
I am glad that we agree on at least one point
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I do feel for the GSM guys as it would appear there has nor been a team approach in GSM HQ. Hopefully, moving on these issues can be rectified and the product can regain the status it should be.
Still only one post behind.
I am glad that we agree on at least one point
.I do feel for the GSM guys as it would appear there has nor been a team approach in GSM HQ. Hopefully, moving on these issues can be rectified and the product can regain the status it should be.
Still only one post behind.
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I agree with your sentiments Hover Overviewer. In my view the problem within this airline is that it is run on a Dictatorial basis by someone who knows the square root of 
about how an airline should be run. It is a miracle they are still flying so that has to be down to the employees below the Top man running the show to the best of their ability and overcoming the constraints placed upon them.
about how an airline should be run. It is a miracle they are still flying so that has to be down to the employees below the Top man running the show to the best of their ability and overcoming the constraints placed upon them.
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On the Radio
I guess it's because of our proximity to Stansted and the Globespan operation that we had a piece on the local radio station (BBC Cambridgeshire) on the subject. Congratulations to Ian (shoey1976) for a decent piece, no plunging from 30,000ft, screaming in terror or anything like that
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cheers!
cheers! nice to have a pat on the back on the day hundreds of us humble hacks here at the Beeb are threatened with redundancy!
the story is also running on BBC online.
Anybody with any information on the above, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
As with the investigation we did in June into crew fatigue, all communications treated in strictest confidence.
Cheers Ian
[email protected] or [email protected] if you'd prefer
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the story is also running on BBC online.
Anybody with any information on the above, please don't hesitate to get in touch.
As with the investigation we did in June into crew fatigue, all communications treated in strictest confidence.
Cheers Ian
[email protected] or [email protected] if you'd prefer
07769 977665 mobile
020 8624 9505 office
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Sorry to hear of this
It's so disappointing to hear of an organisation that promised so much - and that so many professional employees AND supporting members of the traveling public put their collective faiths into....
Suddenly to have this ignominious situation placed upon them
- simply can't be good for business - or the traveling public's perception.
It would be benefitial to all - on the basis of understanding where the true root of the problem regarding ETOP'S suspension (i.e. cause and effect) lies.
Other organisations (Astreus for example) operate B737 North Atlantic ETOP's.
It would be helpful to many (and indeed all) orgaisations undertaking similar operations to understand where the real crux of the matter lies - on the basis of exchanging information to ensure this type of ignomony does not develop further and affect any other UK or EU carrier(s)
A frank exchange of problems/solutions is my suggestion - Any takers??
Regards
ScottyD
Suddenly to have this ignominious situation placed upon them
- simply can't be good for business - or the traveling public's perception.
It would be benefitial to all - on the basis of understanding where the true root of the problem regarding ETOP'S suspension (i.e. cause and effect) lies.
Other organisations (Astreus for example) operate B737 North Atlantic ETOP's.
It would be helpful to many (and indeed all) orgaisations undertaking similar operations to understand where the real crux of the matter lies - on the basis of exchanging information to ensure this type of ignomony does not develop further and affect any other UK or EU carrier(s)
A frank exchange of problems/solutions is my suggestion - Any takers??
Regards
ScottyD
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From the BBC news website
Airline has a licence suspended
Flyglobespan has started providing flights to North America
The regional airline Flyglobespan has had one of its flying licences suspended as a result of serious concerns about its operations.
Several of the Edinburgh-based firm's services to North America have been affected.
The firm has had its 'ETOPS' license, which lets it fly over large expanses of water with two engines, suspended.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said it is the first time in 15 years a UK operator has lost ETOPS approval.
But the CAA declined to give specific reasons as to why the license had been suspended but said suspending ETOPS approval "is not done lightly".
A spokesman for Flyglobespan said that ETOPS approval has only been suspended on a temporary basis, and that this was because of an isolated problem with subcontractors.
A statement given to the BBC by the CAA said: "On Friday 12 October, we provisionally suspended the airline's ETOPS approval. We will be meeting with the airline later this week to review this decision."
Transatlantic flights
The airline mainly flies from Scotland, including from Glasgow, Aberdeen, and Edinburgh airports and from northern England, including Durham and Newcastle. North American destinations include Calgary, Toronto, Boston and New York.
On transatlantic routes, twin-engine planes without ETOPS clearance are forced to adopt a flight path which never takes them more than an hour away from the nearest airport, in case of engine problems.
European flights do not involve straying more than an hour away from the nearest airport, so no ETOPS licence is needed to operate these flights.
But recently, Flyglobespan has expanded into North America and it is these services which could be affected by the loss of ETOPS.
Without ETOPS, the airline can only fly over the Atlantic via Iceland, Greenland and Canada - an indirect, slower route.
Longer flights burn more fuel, and cost the airline a significant amount of money.
The company says it is confident ETOPS approval will soon be restored.
As well as using its own aircraft on transatlantic routes, Flyglobespan leases aircraft and flight crews from other airlines which can continue to fly to the US.
Flyglobespan has started providing flights to North America
The regional airline Flyglobespan has had one of its flying licences suspended as a result of serious concerns about its operations.
Several of the Edinburgh-based firm's services to North America have been affected.
The firm has had its 'ETOPS' license, which lets it fly over large expanses of water with two engines, suspended.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said it is the first time in 15 years a UK operator has lost ETOPS approval.
But the CAA declined to give specific reasons as to why the license had been suspended but said suspending ETOPS approval "is not done lightly".
A spokesman for Flyglobespan said that ETOPS approval has only been suspended on a temporary basis, and that this was because of an isolated problem with subcontractors.
A statement given to the BBC by the CAA said: "On Friday 12 October, we provisionally suspended the airline's ETOPS approval. We will be meeting with the airline later this week to review this decision."
Transatlantic flights
The airline mainly flies from Scotland, including from Glasgow, Aberdeen, and Edinburgh airports and from northern England, including Durham and Newcastle. North American destinations include Calgary, Toronto, Boston and New York.
On transatlantic routes, twin-engine planes without ETOPS clearance are forced to adopt a flight path which never takes them more than an hour away from the nearest airport, in case of engine problems.
European flights do not involve straying more than an hour away from the nearest airport, so no ETOPS licence is needed to operate these flights.
But recently, Flyglobespan has expanded into North America and it is these services which could be affected by the loss of ETOPS.
Without ETOPS, the airline can only fly over the Atlantic via Iceland, Greenland and Canada - an indirect, slower route.
Longer flights burn more fuel, and cost the airline a significant amount of money.
The company says it is confident ETOPS approval will soon be restored.
As well as using its own aircraft on transatlantic routes, Flyglobespan leases aircraft and flight crews from other airlines which can continue to fly to the US.
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From the BBC news website
Airline has a licence suspended
Flyglobespan has started providing flights to North America
The regional airline Flyglobespan has had one of its flying licences suspended as a result of serious concerns about its operations.
Several of the Edinburgh-based firm's services to North America have been affected.
The firm has had its 'ETOPS' license, which lets it fly over large expanses of water with two engines, suspended.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said it is the first time in 15 years a UK operator has lost ETOPS approval.
But the CAA declined to give specific reasons as to why the license had been suspended but said suspending ETOPS approval "is not done lightly".
A spokesman for Flyglobespan said that ETOPS approval has only been suspended on a temporary basis, and that this was because of an isolated problem with subcontractors.
A statement given to the BBC by the CAA said: "On Friday 12 October, we provisionally suspended the airline's ETOPS approval. We will be meeting with the airline later this week to review this decision."
Transatlantic flights
The airline mainly flies from Scotland, including from Glasgow, Aberdeen, and Edinburgh airports and from northern England, including Durham and Newcastle. North American destinations include Calgary, Toronto, Boston and New York.
On transatlantic routes, twin-engine planes without ETOPS clearance are forced to adopt a flight path which never takes them more than an hour away from the nearest airport, in case of engine problems.
European flights do not involve straying more than an hour away from the nearest airport, so no ETOPS licence is needed to operate these flights.
But recently, Flyglobespan has expanded into North America and it is these services which could be affected by the loss of ETOPS.
Without ETOPS, the airline can only fly over the Atlantic via Iceland, Greenland and Canada - an indirect, slower route.
Longer flights burn more fuel, and cost the airline a significant amount of money.
The company says it is confident ETOPS approval will soon be restored.
As well as using its own aircraft on transatlantic routes, Flyglobespan leases aircraft and flight crews from other airlines which can continue to fly to the US.
Come on Mr D, Get it sorted. Its a good Airline ,don't let it go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CT
Flyglobespan has started providing flights to North America
The regional airline Flyglobespan has had one of its flying licences suspended as a result of serious concerns about its operations.
Several of the Edinburgh-based firm's services to North America have been affected.
The firm has had its 'ETOPS' license, which lets it fly over large expanses of water with two engines, suspended.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said it is the first time in 15 years a UK operator has lost ETOPS approval.
But the CAA declined to give specific reasons as to why the license had been suspended but said suspending ETOPS approval "is not done lightly".
A spokesman for Flyglobespan said that ETOPS approval has only been suspended on a temporary basis, and that this was because of an isolated problem with subcontractors.
A statement given to the BBC by the CAA said: "On Friday 12 October, we provisionally suspended the airline's ETOPS approval. We will be meeting with the airline later this week to review this decision."
Transatlantic flights
The airline mainly flies from Scotland, including from Glasgow, Aberdeen, and Edinburgh airports and from northern England, including Durham and Newcastle. North American destinations include Calgary, Toronto, Boston and New York.
On transatlantic routes, twin-engine planes without ETOPS clearance are forced to adopt a flight path which never takes them more than an hour away from the nearest airport, in case of engine problems.
European flights do not involve straying more than an hour away from the nearest airport, so no ETOPS licence is needed to operate these flights.
But recently, Flyglobespan has expanded into North America and it is these services which could be affected by the loss of ETOPS.
Without ETOPS, the airline can only fly over the Atlantic via Iceland, Greenland and Canada - an indirect, slower route.
Longer flights burn more fuel, and cost the airline a significant amount of money.
The company says it is confident ETOPS approval will soon be restored.
As well as using its own aircraft on transatlantic routes, Flyglobespan leases aircraft and flight crews from other airlines which can continue to fly to the US.
Come on Mr D, Get it sorted. Its a good Airline ,don't let it go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CT
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Goodness me..!!!
Thank you CaptainTrigger,
Very informatve post. Particularly the comment:
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"The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said it is the first time in 15 years a UK operator has lost ETOPS approval."
Unquote.
This is very disconcerting news indeed. Not a record that I am sure he "experts" in Colinton (H.O.) are at all proud of - So what indeed is proposed action by FGS to rectify this unfortunate situation???
They really need to make a public statement about their proposals to rectify this unfortunate circumstance... as opposed to sweeping it under the carpet.
Cheers
ScottyD
Very informatve post. Particularly the comment:
Quote
"The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said it is the first time in 15 years a UK operator has lost ETOPS approval."
Unquote.
This is very disconcerting news indeed. Not a record that I am sure he "experts" in Colinton (H.O.) are at all proud of - So what indeed is proposed action by FGS to rectify this unfortunate situation???
They really need to make a public statement about their proposals to rectify this unfortunate circumstance... as opposed to sweeping it under the carpet.
Cheers
ScottyD