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Base Closure
And now theyre closing the MANCHESTER Base 
With Cabin Crew being let go at the end of October, guess Liverpool will follow soon if not unannounced suddenly.
Dont Book to JFK .............Probably loose ure dosh.
Knock and West of Ireland passengers dont want anything more to do with these wannabee amateurs.
Tom Dalyrumple hasnt done well here!!!!!!!!! But with a 767 soon being based in LAGOS for Virgin Nigeria I suppose he will recoup the monies pending court cases!!!!!!! Good OLD Eileen must have more grey hairs! He He
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With Cabin Crew being let go at the end of October, guess Liverpool will follow soon if not unannounced suddenly.
Dont Book to JFK .............Probably loose ure dosh.
Knock and West of Ireland passengers dont want anything more to do with these wannabee amateurs.
Tom Dalyrumple hasnt done well here!!!!!!!!! But with a 767 soon being based in LAGOS for Virgin Nigeria I suppose he will recoup the monies pending court cases!!!!!!! Good OLD Eileen must have more grey hairs! He He
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And now theyre closing the MANCHESTER Base
With Cabin Crew being let go at the end of October, guess Liverpool will follow soon if not unannounced suddenly.
With Cabin Crew being let go at the end of October, guess Liverpool will follow soon if not unannounced suddenly.
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Are They Sending A 767 to Virgin Nigeria?
What Isd There Situation going to be with the 767, they seem to be sending them away and like last winter gla-sfb will be a bit mucked up with aircraft i believeI Also See FlyGlobespan Are Starting Corfu From Gla And Edi for s08 and also pula from Gla. I Think JFK From GLA would Be A Good Move But Who Knows!
What Isd There Situation going to be with the 767, they seem to be sending them away and like last winter gla-sfb will be a bit mucked up with aircraft i believeI Also See FlyGlobespan Are Starting Corfu From Gla And Edi for s08 and also pula from Gla. I Think JFK From GLA would Be A Good Move But Who Knows!Last edited by ROSSKi MYT; 26th Sep 2007 at 19:11.
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I hear the recently leased B767 G-CEOD has got MAJOR maintenance issues and CAA wont be letting it go anywhere!!!!!!!!
CAA Website
G-CEOD Built: 2000
CofA / Permit: AWAITING CERTIFICATION Application Received: 17/08/2007 Change of C of A details in progress
757 G-CEJM heads to Fedex soon
(Maybe So)G-CEJM C of A Expiry: 23/03/2008
Under stand GSm management an PM of Jet2 get on well maybe j2 would like to take 75's but more so 76's as they are struggling to find suitible frames
CAA Website
G-CEOD Built: 2000
CofA / Permit: AWAITING CERTIFICATION Application Received: 17/08/2007 Change of C of A details in progress
757 G-CEJM heads to Fedex soon
(Maybe So)G-CEJM C of A Expiry: 23/03/2008
Under stand GSm management an PM of Jet2 get on well maybe j2 would like to take 75's but more so 76's as they are struggling to find suitible frames
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Are airlines not required to re-book you onto other carriers if they cancel a flight ? I thought they need to comply with regulation EC261 which calls for refunds and compensation ?
Anyone ?
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CG
Here's what they have been sending out. How about that for a load of B0LL0CKS ??
Let's hope the airline has the necessary cash flow to refund all pax !!
Anyone ?
Regards
CG
Here's what they have been sending out. How about that for a load of B0LL0CKS ??
Let's hope the airline has the necessary cash flow to refund all pax !!
IMPORTANT - FLIGHT WITHDRAWAL NOTIFICATION
flyglobespan Manchester service to & from Cape Town
The continued reluctance of the South African Authorities to meet with their UK counterparts to resolve differences in interpretation of the Bilateral Agreement between the two countries has created a lack of confidence in the minds of the travelling public with regard to the operation of our Manchester to Cape Town service this winter.
This lack of confidence has continued despite assurances from the South African Authorities that flyglobespan will be permitted to operate the service.
As a result flyglobespan has been unable to attract sufficient bookings, both in the UK and in South Africa and this factor coupled with a current high price of jet fuel has made it uneconomic for us to operate this service.
It is with regret therefore that we have to give notice of cancellation of this service with immediate effect and in order that passengers will have the opportunity to make alternative arrangements in good time.
Passengers affected by the cancellation of this service will receive a cancellation invoice for their records and have their booking refunded in full.
We appreciate that this will cause you great inconvenience and ask you to accept our most sincere apologies and our thanks for your support and your understanding in this matter.
Kind Regards
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flyglobespan Manchester service to & from Cape Town
The continued reluctance of the South African Authorities to meet with their UK counterparts to resolve differences in interpretation of the Bilateral Agreement between the two countries has created a lack of confidence in the minds of the travelling public with regard to the operation of our Manchester to Cape Town service this winter.
This lack of confidence has continued despite assurances from the South African Authorities that flyglobespan will be permitted to operate the service.
As a result flyglobespan has been unable to attract sufficient bookings, both in the UK and in South Africa and this factor coupled with a current high price of jet fuel has made it uneconomic for us to operate this service.
It is with regret therefore that we have to give notice of cancellation of this service with immediate effect and in order that passengers will have the opportunity to make alternative arrangements in good time.
Passengers affected by the cancellation of this service will receive a cancellation invoice for their records and have their booking refunded in full.
We appreciate that this will cause you great inconvenience and ask you to accept our most sincere apologies and our thanks for your support and your understanding in this matter.
Kind Regards
C. King
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Never heard such a load of old cobblers.
Since when has any bilateral agreement between anyone about anything been in the minds of the travelling public.
Perhaps Flyglobespan's reputation is starting to catch up with them.
Since when has any bilateral agreement between anyone about anything been in the minds of the travelling public.
Perhaps Flyglobespan's reputation is starting to catch up with them.
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Charterguy - If an airline gives passengers 14 days of more notice then they are not required to offer compensation.
The general rule is you get a refund but many airlines will offer an alternative if they operate the same route elsewhere. In this case I do not believe GSM fly to Cape Town other than Manchester.
As far as I am aware, if there is not 14 days notice compensation is required unless the airline can rebook you on another carrier and your arrival is within 2 hours of the flight which was previously booked. I hope this helps.
The general rule is you get a refund but many airlines will offer an alternative if they operate the same route elsewhere. In this case I do not believe GSM fly to Cape Town other than Manchester.
As far as I am aware, if there is not 14 days notice compensation is required unless the airline can rebook you on another carrier and your arrival is within 2 hours of the flight which was previously booked. I hope this helps.
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Sadly this makes me feel very nervous for GSM.
Very poor start to the summer, hugh costs in compensation, HOTAC and sub chartering.
Now stations closing, route cuts etc.
Is this re-trenching or desperate measures ?????
Very poor start to the summer, hugh costs in compensation, HOTAC and sub chartering.
Now stations closing, route cuts etc.
Is this re-trenching or desperate measures ?????
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Now really ...come on. The short haul program has been a success and by all accounts continues to be very lucrative. The sub chartering is outward rather than sub chartering in and so is profit making. The only blip has been long haul- which as you have seen is being addressed as we speak and will be streamlined for S08. The amateurs amongst us have obviously not appreciated that the financial minds within the airlinen calculate the compensation aspect when a decision to cut a route is made.
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What is happening with the proposed W07 flights through BHX? I see they still have current slots so the airport is expecting them. I take it they will be cancelled when they get round to it.
The only blip has been long haul-
The reviews on Skytrax make very sad reading indeed for GSM longhaul.
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GW - It was the slots I was talking about. Here they are used for checkin desk and stand planning. Until the airline cancels the slots everyone has to assume they still plan to operate causing a lot of unneccesary work for a lot of people if they are peak time.
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I have just returned from a trip to Canada, having flown GLA-YHM and YYC-GLA with Flyglobespan.
I must admit that I was a tad nervous in the weeks leading up to the trip after reading about all the delays and issues regarding a/c availability, but I have to say I cannot fault the whole experience at all. We were on time leaving Glasgow, a little bit late geting into Toronto, a little bit late leaving Calgary (due to delay in getting fuel there) and made up almost all the time getting back to GLA. The seat pitch was fine, the food was good and service more than adequate, and the whole thing cost a lot less than a return train ticket to almost anywhere in Britain from where I live.
Its a shame people tend to focus on the negatives rather than the positives, but I wouldn't hesitate to use them again, keep up the good work.
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I must admit that I was a tad nervous in the weeks leading up to the trip after reading about all the delays and issues regarding a/c availability, but I have to say I cannot fault the whole experience at all. We were on time leaving Glasgow, a little bit late geting into Toronto, a little bit late leaving Calgary (due to delay in getting fuel there) and made up almost all the time getting back to GLA. The seat pitch was fine, the food was good and service more than adequate, and the whole thing cost a lot less than a return train ticket to almost anywhere in Britain from where I live.
Its a shame people tend to focus on the negatives rather than the positives, but I wouldn't hesitate to use them again, keep up the good work.
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Well the Boston service ended up on a B737-700 and the Sanford on an Italian B767. Not even sure Boston is returning for 2008.
And PLEASE stop using capitals for the first letter of every word. Where the Hell did you learn to do that?
And PLEASE stop using capitals for the first letter of every word. Where the Hell did you learn to do that?
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Oh Christ, the first letter being capitalised disease is obviously contagious. [Before you ask, Christ is capitalised because it's referring to the Almighty, no other reason - even if agnostic. See the UKIA website if you have any queries on the inherent involvement of deities in airline operations. It's recommended reading on the Almighty's involvement in the granting of Air Operator's Certificates.]
GW76, the record of Globespan this year has not exactly been stunning. Let's have a look at the low-lights:
Glasgow-Boston - daily 737-700 service on sale. Three flights per week were then amended to run via Knock. Cut back heavily in September and October to reduce from a daily flight to four per week, of which three ran via Knock.
Liverpool-JFK - daily 757 service put on sale. Three flights per week were then changed to run via Knock. Operational fiasco including five days with no flights whatsoever in July. [Did anyone ever answer the question about whether the crew had continued past alternates to land at JFK with one engine shut down, by the way?] Friday flight cancelled from the end of August, and cut back to four per week - three via NOC - for September and October.
Vancouver/Calgary - sold on GSM three-class 767, changed to an Italian 767 with two-class service, various routing changes (more stops introduced to combine flights from LGW + GLA, GLA+MAN, MAN+LGW depending on the season) and Italian crews who - according to the Skytrax website - could barely speak English on a good day.
Belfast/Glasgow-Sanford - Italian aircraft and crews with inferior service, but thankfully no routing changes.
Glasgow-YHM - daily direct service put on sale, ended up with 737-800 with tech-stop at Keflavik on the way out every day and a Business service which fell some way short of what was originally advertised.
Manchester-YHM - daily direct service put on sale, ended up with a 757 via Glasgow in the shoulder season, being cut back to four days per week during the peak summer including a 737-800 via Keflavik on Fridays.
Gatwick-YHM - daily direct service put on sale, ended up with a 757 on three days per week - via Glasgow during the shoulder season.
Manchester-Johannesburg - put on sale for Winter 2007 and cancelled as they didn't have bilateral rights to fly the route. Passengers transferred to Cape Town service.
Manchester-Cape Town - flown in Winter 2006 and put on sale for Winter 2007. Cancelled as apparently "bilateral rights" didn't exist for them to fly the route and created uncertainty in the minds of customers. Like hell. When did your average customer know about bilaterals and where was this last publicly discussed? Perhaps the c**p reputation they've earned had put people off booking again. Or perhaps the GSM cabin crew over at another website saying that the operation was unsafe due to GSM's rostering practices? The policy of providing a foam camping mat so that cabin crew could lie down on the rear galley floor to take rest and extend their FDP isn't one that I can find in my version of CAP371.
Glasgow-Sharm - put on sale and cancelled within the week. EDI-SSH still exists for this winter but with block times bent to hell so that it's just legal to be rostered as a Level 2 variation. I'd like to see how many of those they achieve without discretion.
Glasgow-Las Vegas & Barbados - put on sale and cancelled without flights having ever taken place.
Open warfare between cabin crew on other forums and flight crew on this forum - pro-rata probably more so than any other airline relative to its size. This doesn't fill you with confidence that it's a professional operation. Every airline has its problems but there seem to be few whose employees are as hell-bent on washing their dirty linen in public as this one.
To say that this is a "blip" is rather like Mrs Abraham Lincoln saying that there was a bit of a kerfuffle at the theatre the other night.
I'm sure that there are quite a few other examples which are out there but which I've forgotten and which most customers involved would rather forget. Not exactly stunning - and I can't think of any other airline which has behaved like some 1980s bucketshop flight company in this way. Need I say more?
GW76, the record of Globespan this year has not exactly been stunning. Let's have a look at the low-lights:
Glasgow-Boston - daily 737-700 service on sale. Three flights per week were then amended to run via Knock. Cut back heavily in September and October to reduce from a daily flight to four per week, of which three ran via Knock.
Liverpool-JFK - daily 757 service put on sale. Three flights per week were then changed to run via Knock. Operational fiasco including five days with no flights whatsoever in July. [Did anyone ever answer the question about whether the crew had continued past alternates to land at JFK with one engine shut down, by the way?] Friday flight cancelled from the end of August, and cut back to four per week - three via NOC - for September and October.
Vancouver/Calgary - sold on GSM three-class 767, changed to an Italian 767 with two-class service, various routing changes (more stops introduced to combine flights from LGW + GLA, GLA+MAN, MAN+LGW depending on the season) and Italian crews who - according to the Skytrax website - could barely speak English on a good day.
Belfast/Glasgow-Sanford - Italian aircraft and crews with inferior service, but thankfully no routing changes.
Glasgow-YHM - daily direct service put on sale, ended up with 737-800 with tech-stop at Keflavik on the way out every day and a Business service which fell some way short of what was originally advertised.
Manchester-YHM - daily direct service put on sale, ended up with a 757 via Glasgow in the shoulder season, being cut back to four days per week during the peak summer including a 737-800 via Keflavik on Fridays.
Gatwick-YHM - daily direct service put on sale, ended up with a 757 on three days per week - via Glasgow during the shoulder season.
Manchester-Johannesburg - put on sale for Winter 2007 and cancelled as they didn't have bilateral rights to fly the route. Passengers transferred to Cape Town service.
Manchester-Cape Town - flown in Winter 2006 and put on sale for Winter 2007. Cancelled as apparently "bilateral rights" didn't exist for them to fly the route and created uncertainty in the minds of customers. Like hell. When did your average customer know about bilaterals and where was this last publicly discussed? Perhaps the c**p reputation they've earned had put people off booking again. Or perhaps the GSM cabin crew over at another website saying that the operation was unsafe due to GSM's rostering practices? The policy of providing a foam camping mat so that cabin crew could lie down on the rear galley floor to take rest and extend their FDP isn't one that I can find in my version of CAP371.
Glasgow-Sharm - put on sale and cancelled within the week. EDI-SSH still exists for this winter but with block times bent to hell so that it's just legal to be rostered as a Level 2 variation. I'd like to see how many of those they achieve without discretion.
Glasgow-Las Vegas & Barbados - put on sale and cancelled without flights having ever taken place.
Open warfare between cabin crew on other forums and flight crew on this forum - pro-rata probably more so than any other airline relative to its size. This doesn't fill you with confidence that it's a professional operation. Every airline has its problems but there seem to be few whose employees are as hell-bent on washing their dirty linen in public as this one.
To say that this is a "blip" is rather like Mrs Abraham Lincoln saying that there was a bit of a kerfuffle at the theatre the other night.
I'm sure that there are quite a few other examples which are out there but which I've forgotten and which most customers involved would rather forget. Not exactly stunning - and I can't think of any other airline which has behaved like some 1980s bucketshop flight company in this way. Need I say more?
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Lpl - Jfk
Hello,
First post so please be gentle! I have been following the Flyglobespan issue at LPL closely because I had hoped to book to fly with them first of all just before Christmas and then next summer.
Does anyone know what the chances of them coming back are? Perhaps I'm being naive, but surely the best time to make a NEw York flight work out of a smallish airport is in the run up to Christmas, when thousands go Christmas shopping?
I read a lot about the problems in July when people were delayed five days, but I assumed it had run pretty well other than that. I did try to book for the end of this month but the timetable on the website conflicted with the flights available when booking and the the call centre didn't seem too sure either.
It's a great shame for Liverpool, I feel, because with the right long-haul flights it could use its size - and ease of use - over Manchester.
PS - is it very naive to think it might have been a good idea to use a newer plane on a newer route (instead of sending it to India) , rather than leasing one?
First post so please be gentle! I have been following the Flyglobespan issue at LPL closely because I had hoped to book to fly with them first of all just before Christmas and then next summer.
Does anyone know what the chances of them coming back are? Perhaps I'm being naive, but surely the best time to make a NEw York flight work out of a smallish airport is in the run up to Christmas, when thousands go Christmas shopping?
I read a lot about the problems in July when people were delayed five days, but I assumed it had run pretty well other than that. I did try to book for the end of this month but the timetable on the website conflicted with the flights available when booking and the the call centre didn't seem too sure either.
It's a great shame for Liverpool, I feel, because with the right long-haul flights it could use its size - and ease of use - over Manchester.
PS - is it very naive to think it might have been a good idea to use a newer plane on a newer route (instead of sending it to India) , rather than leasing one?