FlyGlobespan - 6
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: United States
Posts: 1,051
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ive pointed out before that i am no lover of some of the individuals associated with this outfit , however i really dont see why if they have made a commercial decision that a base is not profitable then they will withdraw means that the entire business is in jeopardy .Surely this is good business practice , they had a go , didnt work move on to the next challenge , thats business .
AFAIK there are still jobs for UK pilots , in India with this outfit , still a job and the more employers out there , the better for all of us.
I would imagine that their 787 delivery positions will make a tasty few quid for Mr D.
NF
AFAIK there are still jobs for UK pilots , in India with this outfit , still a job and the more employers out there , the better for all of us.
I would imagine that their 787 delivery positions will make a tasty few quid for Mr D.
NF
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Hamilton, ON
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I wonder if SNN is on GSM's radar. Some really attractive incentives were announced yesterday. Multi-year discounts on airport charges, plus a real push to fill the SNN-LHR void. Only good for new 08 routes.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0910/shannon.html
I wonder if GSM is considering a Summer 08 daily LHR-SNN-YHM. Actually, any of the overseas schedules could fit into a YHM-SNN-XXX pattern quite nicely. And Shannon's price is right, particularly for discount airlines... could we be seeing a Shannon base for GSM in the not-too-distant future? (blatant speculation on my part)
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0910/shannon.html
I wonder if GSM is considering a Summer 08 daily LHR-SNN-YHM. Actually, any of the overseas schedules could fit into a YHM-SNN-XXX pattern quite nicely. And Shannon's price is right, particularly for discount airlines... could we be seeing a Shannon base for GSM in the not-too-distant future? (blatant speculation on my part)
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: up above
Posts: 150
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well you never know, the co has also said DUB/BFS/SNN performed better than they thought and going to add extra capacity next year
dont know how it will be done though, wish they would release yhm for next summer.
dont know how it will be done though, wish they would release yhm for next summer.
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Cork, Ireland
Posts: 730
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I wonder if GSM is considering a Summer 08 daily LHR-SNN-YHM.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: STN
Posts: 258
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Slots at STN are becoming few and far between, would it have not made more sence to change the routes rather than pull out of a base.
How bad were the loads on LCA and TFS anyone know, I thought all the routes were doing very well but (diesel36) put me right on the YHM loads I was shocked that they only flew a hand full of pax from STN on the YHM route, I was told it was doing very well
How bad were the loads on LCA and TFS anyone know, I thought all the routes were doing very well but (diesel36) put me right on the YHM loads I was shocked that they only flew a hand full of pax from STN on the YHM route, I was told it was doing very well
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Dark side of the moon
Posts: 52
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Confirmation was given to the stn based crews today that GSM are indeed pulling out of stn.
Management cited the new costs being levied by BAA STN as the reason for the company pulling out.
Even RYR are looking for an alternative to STN due to the nature of the increase in charges & RYR have 40 or so aircraft based there. If the price hikes continue a lot of the smaller operators at the airport will be re-locating to another southern based airport or closing down their operations as appropriate.
It begs the question, why have BAA STN decided to suddenly increase their charges so much? Speaking as a Pilot and as a passenger who has used STN regularly, I think it's one of the worst airports in the country. I fail to see how there can be any justification in the price rise. It's not like the level of service offered by the airport is anywhere near decent!!
Don't know if the crews have been offered jobs at EDI/GLA but I know GSM are short of crew in those airports so I would imagine guys will still have jobs within the company, but may have to relocate/commute.
Management cited the new costs being levied by BAA STN as the reason for the company pulling out.
Even RYR are looking for an alternative to STN due to the nature of the increase in charges & RYR have 40 or so aircraft based there. If the price hikes continue a lot of the smaller operators at the airport will be re-locating to another southern based airport or closing down their operations as appropriate.
It begs the question, why have BAA STN decided to suddenly increase their charges so much? Speaking as a Pilot and as a passenger who has used STN regularly, I think it's one of the worst airports in the country. I fail to see how there can be any justification in the price rise. It's not like the level of service offered by the airport is anywhere near decent!!
Don't know if the crews have been offered jobs at EDI/GLA but I know GSM are short of crew in those airports so I would imagine guys will still have jobs within the company, but may have to relocate/commute.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Between EGAA, EGAC & the wilds of England
Age: 39
Posts: 99
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not to mention the GSM pullout & FR looking for pastures new don't forget that Air Berlin are pulling the Belfast route at the end of the year too.
Luckily I get home every week on EZY so the AB chop isn't going to hurt much, but it does beg the question of when the likes of EZY will start ditching BAA in favour of other airports who offer slightly more than a shopping centre with intercontinental transport links & charge less for it!
Perhaps if nearby Cambridge had better terminal & handling facilities, plus a decent road network (its a nightmare to get to) then it could be a viable alternative - the maint base is already there with Marshalls isn't it?!
Cat & Pigeons time now...there was talk years ago of Alconbury airfield near Huntingdon being re-vamped & opened to commercial aviation. The runway is covered in shipping containers at the minute but it has great road links, nearby rail & isn't in too much of a populated area - it's ideal. What ever happened to the idea - anybody know!?
Luckily I get home every week on EZY so the AB chop isn't going to hurt much, but it does beg the question of when the likes of EZY will start ditching BAA in favour of other airports who offer slightly more than a shopping centre with intercontinental transport links & charge less for it!
Perhaps if nearby Cambridge had better terminal & handling facilities, plus a decent road network (its a nightmare to get to) then it could be a viable alternative - the maint base is already there with Marshalls isn't it?!
Cat & Pigeons time now...there was talk years ago of Alconbury airfield near Huntingdon being re-vamped & opened to commercial aviation. The runway is covered in shipping containers at the minute but it has great road links, nearby rail & isn't in too much of a populated area - it's ideal. What ever happened to the idea - anybody know!?
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: A Virtual World!
Posts: 451
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
BAA Charges at Stansted
The reason for the hike in prices is very simple.
For more years than I care to remember, BAA was allowed to cross subsidise it's airports with the result that charges at Stansted were held artificially low as revenue from Heathrow and Gatwick was used to offset any losses. Luton Airport certainly tried to get this arrangement stopped on many occasions even resorting to complaining to Brussels.
BAA's ability to cross subsidise is no longer allowed by the CAA - in other words each of BAA's airports has to stand on its own feet. Thus in the case of Stansted were income has been less than costs, the only option has been to increase charges.
In addition, I would guess that in some cases, the special deals available to all airlines when setting up routes to new destinations are coming to an end - I think they typically expire after two or three years.
For more years than I care to remember, BAA was allowed to cross subsidise it's airports with the result that charges at Stansted were held artificially low as revenue from Heathrow and Gatwick was used to offset any losses. Luton Airport certainly tried to get this arrangement stopped on many occasions even resorting to complaining to Brussels.
BAA's ability to cross subsidise is no longer allowed by the CAA - in other words each of BAA's airports has to stand on its own feet. Thus in the case of Stansted were income has been less than costs, the only option has been to increase charges.
In addition, I would guess that in some cases, the special deals available to all airlines when setting up routes to new destinations are coming to an end - I think they typically expire after two or three years.
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 104
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
diesel36
Maybe your in the know?? I can confirm that I am gsm flight deck based at STN and had the grim reaper call on Mon that the base was closing. I have told the company that due to my personal situation I am able to accept a positon at another base. Their getting back to me when they have crunched the numbers. I have NOT been offered gla/edi as a base.
Rather upset now as I have been a very flexible and loyal employee flying from any base they asked me to when they where short this year. I am not the only person in this situation. As a small group of experianced gsm pilots we are rather upset that we may have no jobs after 31 Oct whilst all the spotty 200hr cadets they recruited this year get to keep theirs oooop north!
Whilst my rant is over many of us are hoping that what is suggested in your post comes good.
Maybe your in the know?? I can confirm that I am gsm flight deck based at STN and had the grim reaper call on Mon that the base was closing. I have told the company that due to my personal situation I am able to accept a positon at another base. Their getting back to me when they have crunched the numbers. I have NOT been offered gla/edi as a base.
Rather upset now as I have been a very flexible and loyal employee flying from any base they asked me to when they where short this year. I am not the only person in this situation. As a small group of experianced gsm pilots we are rather upset that we may have no jobs after 31 Oct whilst all the spotty 200hr cadets they recruited this year get to keep theirs oooop north!
Whilst my rant is over many of us are hoping that what is suggested in your post comes good.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: SW England
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sad times for all you Stansted guys and a rant is understandable, one question though-did the spotty 200hr cadets sign up for permanent contracts and are you permanent staff or one of the contractors who earned good overtime for your flexibility?
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Isle Du Cyber
Posts: 933
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Scotsunflyer
Don,t quote me on this, the possible reason for not being able to book at the moment as quoted earlier the schedule is wrong as they were trying to operate into Jersey after the airport closed.
The schedule for the aircraft was planned to do these sectors Aberdeen-Paphos-Aberdeen-Jersey-Aberdeen.
This is why the aircraft was going to Jersey late as the first flights was the bext part of 12 hours to complete.
I understand Globespan were going to change them round and make Jersey the first flight so this would leave Aberdeen around 0630.
This could be the reason that the final changes are not complete, untill this is done they will not make available the bookings.
The schedule for the aircraft was planned to do these sectors Aberdeen-Paphos-Aberdeen-Jersey-Aberdeen.
This is why the aircraft was going to Jersey late as the first flights was the bext part of 12 hours to complete.
I understand Globespan were going to change them round and make Jersey the first flight so this would leave Aberdeen around 0630.
This could be the reason that the final changes are not complete, untill this is done they will not make available the bookings.
Fit like min?
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: ...
Posts: 2,126
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Jersey
The understanding of just about all in Aberdeen though is that GSM have axed the route.
It's frustrating that the NE public seemingly have supported the vast majority of summer flights offered them by GSM, yet we still find routes axed.
Seems to me that the winter flights just didn't get the chance to become established in the minds of the public before the plug was pulled. The dead hand of the BAA may be behind this.
And I wouldn't be surprised if more S08 alterations take place at ABZ either.
The changes may not be the fault of GSM, but the perception is that they haven't enhanced their reputation which, up to now anyway, had been good at ABZ.
It's frustrating that the NE public seemingly have supported the vast majority of summer flights offered them by GSM, yet we still find routes axed.
Seems to me that the winter flights just didn't get the chance to become established in the minds of the public before the plug was pulled. The dead hand of the BAA may be behind this.
And I wouldn't be surprised if more S08 alterations take place at ABZ either.
The changes may not be the fault of GSM, but the perception is that they haven't enhanced their reputation which, up to now anyway, had been good at ABZ.