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Old 30th May 2007, 13:16
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Qatar Airways ordered 80 A350

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,485686,00.html
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Old 30th May 2007, 13:28
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Good Job all around

It appears that Airbus had taken my advice and gone with a barrel design ala Boeing.

Earlier, I had thought that they (Airbus) had missed the boat on the A350WXB regarding size. Now that I have been properly educated, I see that more than a few 772 sized aeroplanes will be scheduled for replacement by the A350's proposed EIS.
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It appears that Airbus had taken my advice and gone with a barrel design
... and they thank you for your idea! - but aren't all modern a/c of a barrel design? (meant as tongue-in-cheek)

So many design changes, so little time...

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Old 30th May 2007, 22:52
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Cool

Gotta have room for the SLF. BTW What's an A350?
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Old 31st May 2007, 02:02
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Are airlines still considering and/or buying Airbus are they!!!

I got the definite impression that they were on their way out !!!

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I believe now they are going for the "buy one; get two for free."
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Are airlines still considering and/or buying Airbus are they!!!
I got the definite impression that they were on their way out !!!
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Been reading mass media, have we?
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Old 31st May 2007, 19:05
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It appears that Airbus had taken my advice and gone with a barrel design ala Boeing
J Leahy has confirmed today that they are sticking to panels.
"I just spoke with John Leahy in Toulouse, the Airbus sales chief and the company's chief commercial officer, and he told me that contrary to last week's published report by Air Transport World, Airbus will not change the fundemental fuselage design of the A350 XWB. It still will have composite panels rather than large one-piece composite barrels that Boeing is using with the 787, Leahy said."
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/a...asp?source=rss

Geoff Thomas (of ATWOnline) states that EADS reasoning behind that is to save time, money and avoid any risks of litigation.
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 09:58
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Good news for Rolls Royce as well. They've copped a $5.6 billion (at list prices) order for the engines.
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 10:14
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"...and achieves fuel efficiency levels of 2.9 litres per passenger per 100 kilometres" (from previous post).

maybe not the right place for this question, but what i always wanted to know: is a statement like above on fuel consumption of a passenger plane based on the assumption of a fully loaded plane (with max seating capacity) or an average load factor of a typical flight?
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 10:30
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> ... is a statement like above on fuel consumption of a passenger plane based on the assumption of a fully loaded plane ...

Yes! Everything else wouldn't make sense, because there is no such thing like an 'aircraft type independent worldwide average load factor constant over time' that would be required otherwise.

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thanx max - once again PPRuNe made me brighter ....
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 11:06
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Well, except I suppose it's based on the 555 seat version that Airbus uses. What if you put all 850-odd seats in and fill 'em up? A quick bit of maths suggests it'd be below 2 litres/100km. No car on Earth would get anywhere close.
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 11:26
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More orders.

US Airways has gone for 60 A320s, 10 A330-200s and 22 A350s. There's some double counting here in that the A350s were known about. But its still $10 billion at list prices (which won't be paid).

RR engines on the A350s for $1.8 billion (GE don't make engines for the A350).
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> Well, except I suppose it's based on the 555 seat version that Airbus uses.
> What if you put all 850-odd seats in and fill 'em up? A quick bit of maths
> suggests it'd be below 2 litres/100km. No car on Earth would get anywhere
> close.

Most European cars can seat five and have a fuel consumption below 10 litres per 100 kilometers. So even if you don't count the driver, you will get about 2 l/100 km/seat. Some cars like the four-seater Volkswagen "3l Lupo" burn only 3 l /100km (therefore the designation...) which gives one liter / 100km / seat (driver not included).

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Hmmm, l/100km,

I recently went touring round northern europe, and with 5 on board we averaged 39.5mpg (not that brilliant I know, but it's a petrol car, we had the A/C on, and was fully loaded with a roof box)

Now remembering the formula that "1 mile per gallon = 235.214584 l/100km", we can see that we did 6.03... l/100 km (for 5 perons), or a little over 1.21 l/100km per bum. If I'd used a diesel, I'd be well under 0.9l/100km.

So I think, panda-k-bar, my car doesn't come from this planet. (FYI, It's a bog standard, 1.6l Honda Civic)
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 12:08
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... and achieves fuel efficiency levels of 2.9 litres per passenger per 100 kilometres.
Which must be the consumption in the cruise? The total consumption, with a long queue outbound at JFK (it was 50 mins the evening I left in January) + climb + descent + Bovingden hold + waiting for the stand to be available ... {Yes, I know I'm just snapping at the wheels )
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 12:21
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The A380 is the world’s most environmentally friendly aircraft flying today and achieves fuel efficiency levels of 2.9 litres per passenger per 100 kilometres. It will make a significant contribution to the further reduction of the average fuel efficiency of the global airline fleet.
I'm thinking that's a typo, right? Not what you want to see on a high-profile press release...
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Old 18th Jun 2007, 12:23
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Okay, here's some more.

Jazeera - 30 A320s.

GE commercial aviation services - 6 Boeing 777 freighters.

Lion Air - 40 Boeing 737-900 ERs. This is Boeing making public something that was already on their order book.

Bombardier has signed a MOU with China Aviation Industry to co-operate in the development of the ARJ21-900.

Lufthansa - 30 Embraer 190s.

JAL - 10 Embraer 170s and options on another 5.

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Old 18th Jun 2007, 13:38
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And some more:-

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44

ALAFCO order A350's firmed up and 7 new 320's

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...mktNews&rpc=44

US Airways much awiated large order.

GECAS have also order some 60 new 320's

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._60_a320s.html
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