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Cant see 195's being ordered for LGW for 2 reasons
- Increase costs per seat at LGW lends itself to using larger aircraft
- Increase costs per seat at LGW lends itself to using larger aircraft
I would expect a natural saving through using newer frames, so I was thinking of relative costs versus a newer 320 family.
Easyjet continued focus on business and frequency and hence cost per per seat as above
One other concern would be whether or not GIP would be too happy with one of their biggest clients suddenly operating routes with a c. 120 seat frame when the same markets could be served with 150-189 seaters. Of course, it isn't usually up to the airport to dictate to the airline what sort of fleet to use, but this is Gatwick after all.
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Quote: "I saw that on the television on the BBC as well, and was just longing for Willie Walsh, having received that nastily-spiteful but completely incorrect comment, to continue "..... and I would have thought that having recently been the MP for Richmond, of all places, for five years recently, Mrs Kramer, you might have some understanding of how the aviation, which a significant proportion of your constituents must actually work in, and a handful of self-appointed whingers continually complain about, is organised .....".
It's programmes like this that make you realise how competent those high up in industry can be, and how completely inept those who have pushed themselves into politics are in comparison."
Quite. It also has to pointed out that the majority of the organised "handful of self-appointed whingers" who "continually complain" are, for the most part, incomers (some may say "entryists" and "carpetbaggers" pricing out the locals, couldn't possibly comment of course).
Let's face it, these people have chosen to live here,being fully aware of the conditions.If one has enough to pay £1m+ for a house in Richmond, it's clearly a matter of choice!
It's programmes like this that make you realise how competent those high up in industry can be, and how completely inept those who have pushed themselves into politics are in comparison."
Quite. It also has to pointed out that the majority of the organised "handful of self-appointed whingers" who "continually complain" are, for the most part, incomers (some may say "entryists" and "carpetbaggers" pricing out the locals, couldn't possibly comment of course).
Let's face it, these people have chosen to live here,being fully aware of the conditions.If one has enough to pay £1m+ for a house in Richmond, it's clearly a matter of choice!
Aussie press reporting possible pull out by BA...
British Airways flags end of Australia route
The submission referred to is here...
Qantas Airways Limited & Emirates - Authorisations - A91332 & A91333
Does read as though BA future on SYD route pretty limited post JSA.
British Airways flags end of Australia route
The submission referred to is here...
Qantas Airways Limited & Emirates - Authorisations - A91332 & A91333
Does read as though BA future on SYD route pretty limited post JSA.
Last edited by Max Tow; 12th Oct 2012 at 04:40.
Its also mentioned here:
British Airways may pull plug on kangaroo route
Which if true would leave some questions. Would Virgin take up the 'mantle' and operate through SIN? Does the aviation industry recognise that Virgin is the national flag carrier? How would BA"s traffic be affected on SIN, BKK and possibly KUL terminators? Have Emirates got the route well and truly sown up? Their next goal surely would be the Pacific? If so then they have the world sown up.
British Airways may pull plug on kangaroo route
Which if true would leave some questions. Would Virgin take up the 'mantle' and operate through SIN? Does the aviation industry recognise that Virgin is the national flag carrier? How would BA"s traffic be affected on SIN, BKK and possibly KUL terminators? Have Emirates got the route well and truly sown up? Their next goal surely would be the Pacific? If so then they have the world sown up.
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BA have today confirmed that they have no plans to drop the SYD flight from end of March.
British Airways confirms London-Singapore-Sydney 'Kangaroo Route' - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller
The statement was released after the publishing of the Sydney Morning Herald article
British Airways confirms London-Singapore-Sydney 'Kangaroo Route' - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller
The statement was released after the publishing of the Sydney Morning Herald article
As with the ACCC submission, the quotes in this article can be read in various ways.Would be interested to see full statement as "exploring options" doesn't really seem to commit to any particular course of action....
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Quote: "Which if true would leave some questions. Would Virgin take up the 'mantle' and operate through SIN? Does the aviation industry recognise that Virgin is the national flag carrier? How would BA"s traffic be affected on SIN, BKK and possibly KUL terminators? Have Emirates got the route well and truly sown up? Their next goal surely would be the Pacific? If so then they have the world sown up."
Unlikely that VS would do LHR-SIN-SYD as already going via HKG. If BA could not sustain a daily flight to SYD, it seems highly unlikely that VS could do 2.
In addition to LHR-SIN-SYD, BA already has 1 terminator each to SIN and BKK, both of which used to continue to Australia, from BKK to SYD and from SIN to MEL, so this would probably continue. BA are no longer on LHR-KUL, but this could change.
It appears that EK gets more out of the JSA than QF. However, EK's strategy only works where governments permit "open skies" type arrangements.
There are 25 daily flights between the UK and the UAE, 21 on UAE carriers and 4 on UK carriers, giving UAE carriers the advantage.
If, for example, the current arrangements between the UK and the UAE were to end, and a more Canadian or French style prevailed, the impact on EK and EY would be far greater than on BA or VS. Not suggesting that this WILL ever happen, of course. If India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand and some other countries followed suit, EK's ability to "have the world sown up" would be severely hampered.
Quote: "BA cannot offer SIN-SYD? It seems fifth freedom rights are missing....."
BA has fifth freedom rights on SIN-SYD and BKK-SYD, and AFAIK, VS has HKG-SYD.
QF has fifth freedom rights on SIN-LHR and BKK-LHR, and AFAIK, HKG-LHR.
At present not all are being used by all carriers.
Unlikely that VS would do LHR-SIN-SYD as already going via HKG. If BA could not sustain a daily flight to SYD, it seems highly unlikely that VS could do 2.
In addition to LHR-SIN-SYD, BA already has 1 terminator each to SIN and BKK, both of which used to continue to Australia, from BKK to SYD and from SIN to MEL, so this would probably continue. BA are no longer on LHR-KUL, but this could change.
It appears that EK gets more out of the JSA than QF. However, EK's strategy only works where governments permit "open skies" type arrangements.
There are 25 daily flights between the UK and the UAE, 21 on UAE carriers and 4 on UK carriers, giving UAE carriers the advantage.
If, for example, the current arrangements between the UK and the UAE were to end, and a more Canadian or French style prevailed, the impact on EK and EY would be far greater than on BA or VS. Not suggesting that this WILL ever happen, of course. If India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand and some other countries followed suit, EK's ability to "have the world sown up" would be severely hampered.
Quote: "BA cannot offer SIN-SYD? It seems fifth freedom rights are missing....."
BA has fifth freedom rights on SIN-SYD and BKK-SYD, and AFAIK, VS has HKG-SYD.
QF has fifth freedom rights on SIN-LHR and BKK-LHR, and AFAIK, HKG-LHR.
At present not all are being used by all carriers.
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There are 25 daily flights between the UK and the UAE, 21 on UAE carriers and 4 on UK carriers, giving UAE carriers the advantage.
A fairer comparison would be between the UK (or essentially London) and the Arabian peninsula as a whole, where the scales start to tip the other way.
I can see a big loss of prestige for BA pulling out of SYD, but as always, this is going to be based on commercial logic, not political aspirations.
Why would VS be able to sustain a kangaroo route if BA couldn't? Lower crewing costs trumping BA's connections advantage? Perhaps that is key on a route with two long sectors?
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...a simple phonecall can solve all sorts of website anomilies....
As for the prestige of Sydney, well Auckland, Melbourne, Perth et al went the way of the dodo and I see no reason why SYD should differ. BA are commercially astute enough to focus on strengths and forget the glory days of Empire. Leave Sydney to Emirates, it's a better option for most UK residents.
MAN - LHR shuttle flights
Flew from MAN to LHR over the weekend. BA are still using Terminal 1 at LHR for their shuttle flights which must be a pain if you are transferring to another BA flight at Terminal 5. Are any BA plans to eventually transfer all their shuttle flights to Terminal 5 ?
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You would have been flying on an ex-BMI service. These T1 flights are being consolidated with the main BA LHR-MAN service that operates from T5 and the new service from the W12 timetable will operate from T5.
As a former LHR-MAN frequent travellers several years ago, you reminded me of how painful the old T1-T4 transfer used to be, let alone the lost bags!
As a former LHR-MAN frequent travellers several years ago, you reminded me of how painful the old T1-T4 transfer used to be, let alone the lost bags!
What's the latest with the slots BA/IAG has to potentially give up as part of the bmi takeover ? Had a look at the compeitionrx.com website, but it all seems to have gone a bit quiet. Is there a likely date or range of dates for when something significant is expected to be announced ? I had a read through the EU's press release number IP/12/338 but couldn't see any clear dates as to public announcements - I'm guessing that sometime around the IATA conference on 15-18 November, we might hear something, but does anyone out there know any better ?
The slot release submission deadline for summer 2013 was last week, so presumably somebody is doing something about the bmi slots now.
The slot release submission deadline for summer 2013 was last week, so presumably somebody is doing something about the bmi slots now.
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