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Old 28th Jul 2011, 13:38
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Would need to be a bit of schedule shuffling as ramp space at LCY often wit the two A318s parked for long periods would make it a bit tight for space. Cant see there being a significant A318 expansion at LCY. I suspect the older A319's from LHR will go to LGW. Who knows, with not much higher seat operating costs a few A321 could come too.
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 15:37
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I do think that some more A321's could fit into the fleet quite nicely to help bump up capcity between LHR and GLA which i understand is very much needed since BMI pulled off the route
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 16:58
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The LCY 318s have been around for a couple of years now. Assume as they stand idle on the LCY ramp for several hours each day maintenance checks are easy. But as they get longer in the tooth so to speak a bigger maintenance check awaits. So...is this the reason why we see 318s appearing on the BA wants list? Do we need cover for the big jobbie, or are we planning to use Privatair or similar to cover?
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 17:31
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I don't think BA will acquire any more A318s. Although the LCY-JFK service is well received, the load factors don't seem to justify any increase in frequencies or additional routes.

I assume heavy maintenance will be covered by service reductions during quiet periods.
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Old 29th Jul 2011, 11:25
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Good solid set of figures from IAG today, with BA in London showing a strong recovery in profitability:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...F8VHlwZT0z&t=1

BA, it seems, is back on the up.
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Old 30th Jul 2011, 12:31
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Doubt there would be another airline cover for any maintanance, they would just reduce the schedule.
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Old 30th Jul 2011, 23:29
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Doubt there would be another airline cover for any maintanance, they would just reduce the schedule.
quite right, G-EUNA positioned LCY-LGW on the 29th to undergo Maintenance, the BA3&4 is cancelled for the following month
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Old 1st Aug 2011, 00:14
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Registrations for the first 787s now confirmed, the 787-8s will be G-ZBJA through JH. JA currently being due Feb 2013.
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 11:38
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It has been confirmed that BA's services to Spain will move from Terminal 3 to 5 from the Winter season. Iberia's services will also move in at some point in the future.

Budapest, Bucharest, Larnaca, Warsaw and Prague will move from Terminal 5 to 3.
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 11:49
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Why don't BAA Build a T5D in the large empty space between T5C and T3 and keep all of BA's (and possibly IB's) flights under one roof? They could even link the T5 shuttle to T3 to make connecting to/from OW flights easier.
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 12:32
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In what large space? There is already stuff there, according to the AD-chart a fuel farm and a fire station. Is that the space you're referring to?
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 12:42
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Most likely although if there is anywhere these could be relocated then the idea could still work.
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Old 2nd Aug 2011, 13:24
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BA3&4 is cancelled for the following month
G-EUNA is outside the BA Hangar at Gatwick, the second daily LCY-JFK doesn't operate in August during the school holidays as per last year.
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I'm curious about LGW-SKB and particularly the ANU-SKB sector - this must surely be one of the shortest hops on a B777 anywhere in the world?

In another region, would BA use the services of a local puddlejumper, but I guess they have no confidence in LIAT or Winair.

I know the 'flights seem quite full' argument is irrelevant - but the yields in SK-N must surely be from the high-spenders at the Four Seasons, and other plantation hotels, which are on Nevis. Such a short jump, only to be followed by a ferry (approx 1 hr), is a long way round. Of course, you can't get a B777 onto NEV, but wouldn't it burn less fuel to operate a triangle LGW-SKB-ANU-LGW?

Afaik, the route itself seems safe for now, thanks to input from SK govt - even in their heavily indebted status (2nd only to Japan per capita), they desperately need the tourism, not to mention the medical students from the Indian sub-continent who transit through LON.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 16:28
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I know the 'flights seem quite full' argument is irrelevant - but the yields in SK-N must surely be from the high-spenders at the Four Seasons, and other plantation hotels, which are on Nevis. Such a short jump, only to be followed by a ferry (approx 1 hr), is a long way round. Of course, you can't get a B777 onto NEV, but wouldn't it burn less fuel to operate a triangle LGW-SKB-ANU-LGW?
The ANU-SKB sector normally has 90-120 pax on average. LIAT's largest aircraft has 50 seats and Winair's 19 seats. Simply they son't have the capacity to transport that many pax in one go.

Also the 777 can transport alot more cargo.
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Old 10th Aug 2011, 16:40
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The ANU-SKB sector normally has 90-120 pax on average. LIAT's largest aircraft has 50 seats and Winair's 19 seats. Simply they son't have the capacity to transport that many pax in one go.
BAladdy - my anecdotal evidence was that it was fewer than that, but I am glad it is more. In which case, would it make more sense to operate weekly LGW-SKB-LGW in a 767? Hypothetically of course - there are plenty of other thin Caribbean routes which have stopovers, but afaik, 777s are now the only LH BA equipment at LGW?

I'm not sure how important cargo is on these routes - maybe some mail but the important stuff goes with Fedex. There is little agricultural produce on SKB / ANU - St Lucia grows a lot of 'fair trade' bananas, but I'd guess these are shipped by, well ship! The only other, err, high value cargo round there isn't the sort you'd take through airport scanners! Plenty of food, soft drinks etc come into both SKB and NEV from SJU, but that's not BA's concern.

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Old 15th Aug 2011, 08:50
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The Rumour going round LGW at the moment does include a re-instatement of the Seychelles route.
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Old 15th Aug 2011, 11:07
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That rumour, as well as CMB and HKT, has been going around for at least a year.
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Old 15th Aug 2011, 12:21
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Willie Walsh was quoted in one of the Sunday papers business section yesterday. He was saying broadly, the government is naive if they think they can attract foreign inward investment to the UK if the connection without increased connectivity to UK airports. He said China only has 2 BA destinations from London, 3 if you include Hong Kong.

This was all in the name of re-emphasising the need for another LHR Runway. Interesting comments given that BA has cut all non London international routes from UK.... Would be nice if BA looked at some of them again. Unlikely though, but nice to See Iberia opening MAN and GLA to MAD nonetheless.

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Old 15th Aug 2011, 12:40
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD
Interesting comments given that BA has cut all non London international routes from UK.... Would be nice if BA looked at some of them again.
BA lost packets of money operating direct from the provinces, and that was in the days of less competition. There isn't a market for them to run daily (which is what you need) from Manchester to Dubai or Singapore, as that would be just point to point for them. Quite different for those who are hubbed at those places, and can offer good high frequency. A small proportion get off there, the majority connect on to myriad other destinations.

Look at, say, Nice in France, land of protectionism, and indeed great support by the population for their own products. Not a single mainstream Air France flight any more other than to their hub in Paris. Some AF-badged flights on their FlyBe-equivalent commuter operators to selected other European points, but nothing French to London.

BA's greatest salvation in the provinces would be to offer good and worthwhile connections from their domestic trunk routes through T5 at Heathrow. Unfortunately, BA wanting to use domestic slots for the umpteenth schedule to New York instead, BAA incompetence in organising an airport, planning permission restrictions from the T5 public enquiry, and an attitude to regulations from the DfT mandarins that cannot understand connecting passengers at all (because they all live around London and so don't do it) all conspire to make this the most connection-unfriendly airport around.
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