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Emirates Load Factor
As far as I can tell there were 6 return flights made by the "low density" A330 a/c during January so that would be 12 flights which would make quite a difference to the load factor.
Emirates Load Factor
As far as I can tell there were 6 return flights made by the "low density" A330 a/c during January so that would be 12 flights which would make quite a difference to the load factor.
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Flybe advertsing for NCL based senior crew so a base is deffo happening then
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The new car park is miles away. Nothing to stop us parking where one can find a space though ( in any of the long stay car parks). In all a good result.
As an aside our delay code out of NCL reflected the fact we spent 10 + minutes waiting to be processed through security. I believe the airport/companies charge pax for the use of the priority channel which the crews use.The security people at NCL are a good bunch and it would be preferable for all concerned (pax,crew,searchers) if crew had a discrete route through security.
I still love the 3rd world look of rubbish laden fences. The management must be comfortable with the impression it gives visitors to the North East
As an aside our delay code out of NCL reflected the fact we spent 10 + minutes waiting to be processed through security. I believe the airport/companies charge pax for the use of the priority channel which the crews use.The security people at NCL are a good bunch and it would be preferable for all concerned (pax,crew,searchers) if crew had a discrete route through security.
I still love the 3rd world look of rubbish laden fences. The management must be comfortable with the impression it gives visitors to the North East
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MOST of the security guys are fne, really nice, dead chatty... but there is the odd bad apple with a chip on their shoulder mind who not only speak to the pax like crap, but the crew too!
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I think I got the bad apple last October. Domestic flight to STN, ineffectively searched, 50ml shaving cream (only liquid in little plastic bag) seized and thrown, request to speak to his supervisor denied, threatened with refusal to fly if I did not move on. I would have stood my ground if there was more time to spare but EZY are not renowned for their patience.
So, its a longer drive to GLA or EDI from now on. Shame really as NCL is a nice airport to fly from and the vast majority of staff are great.
So, its a longer drive to GLA or EDI from now on. Shame really as NCL is a nice airport to fly from and the vast majority of staff are great.
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Out of intereset, does anyone know (and I think it's on this thread somewhere) how many pax. went through those dodgy revolving doors last year and where NCL came in the rankings for busiest UK airport?
Obviously some way behind the main four London airports and Manchester but how did NCL compare to the likes of LIV, GLA, EDI, BRI etc?
Obviously some way behind the main four London airports and Manchester but how did NCL compare to the likes of LIV, GLA, EDI, BRI etc?
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Newcastle is either 10th or 11th busiest. IIRC, the highest NCL has came previously was 8th
1. Heathrow
2. Gatwick
3. Stansted
4. Manchester
5. Luton?
6. Birmingham?
7. Edinburgh
8. Glasgow
9. Bristol
10. Newcastle?
11. Belfast?
1. Heathrow
2. Gatwick
3. Stansted
4. Manchester
5. Luton?
6. Birmingham?
7. Edinburgh
8. Glasgow
9. Bristol
10. Newcastle?
11. Belfast?
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Your order is correct, Graham, except no 11 is now LPL.
The top 15 UK airports for the 12 months ending 31 December 2007 according to CAA figures are as follows, albeit the figures are provisional at present:
LHR 67.85 million; LGW 35.16; STN 23.76; MAN 21.89; LTN 9.92; BHX 9.13;
EDI 9.04; GLA 8.72; BRS 5.88; NCL 5.62; LPL 5.46; EMA 5.41; BFS 5.24;
ABZ 3.41; LCY 2.91.
Quite a cluster of airports now in both the 5-6 million and 9-10 million ranges.
According to the same stats a total of 243,229,980 pax were handled at all UK airports during last year.
The top 15 UK airports for the 12 months ending 31 December 2007 according to CAA figures are as follows, albeit the figures are provisional at present:
LHR 67.85 million; LGW 35.16; STN 23.76; MAN 21.89; LTN 9.92; BHX 9.13;
EDI 9.04; GLA 8.72; BRS 5.88; NCL 5.62; LPL 5.46; EMA 5.41; BFS 5.24;
ABZ 3.41; LCY 2.91.
Quite a cluster of airports now in both the 5-6 million and 9-10 million ranges.
According to the same stats a total of 243,229,980 pax were handled at all UK airports during last year.
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NCL Rankings
I would expect to see NCL fall from the 10th place in 2008 in respect of pax numbers and be overtaken by both LPL and EMA. Unless of course we get some new expansion.
Also interesting to note that of the all the airports in the top 10 NCL is of course the one not to have a scheduled link to the USA - not intended to raise the NY rumours just a observation.
Also interesting to note that of the all the airports in the top 10 NCL is of course the one not to have a scheduled link to the USA - not intended to raise the NY rumours just a observation.
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I've heard LS may go into scheduled flights to the easten seaboad if the charters go well in the winter. However, if the rumors that EK go there via NCL than that may scupper any plans that LS have, at least from NCL. 
(NB: The above re a LS scheduled service is only a only a rumor before anyone tells me in 10 months time that I got my facts wrong!!)
(NB: The above re a LS scheduled service is only a only a rumor before anyone tells me in 10 months time that I got my facts wrong!!)
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You dont honestly expect EK to start operating premium high profile Transatlantic routes via NCL ? Think MAN or BHX, not NCL. Unless loads dont equate to profit and it need shored up with a double drop. EK have the capability to fly direct if they wanted.
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I have said this before, but how come the number and level of rumours surrounding NCL operations and future route and airline expansion plans are so high? I very much doubt that EK will operate a transatlantic service, I would expect that they will focus upon their service to DXB hub first, with possibly an increase in frequency and/or capacity, which again is RUMOURED!
Regarding the Jet2 rumour, it is a sensible idea, should it actually be in the pipeline to test the waters first with a charter service, though is LBA/MAN not the focus of this? With only 2 based aircraft from Jet2 now, as a result of the LGW ceasing their aircraft are operating what appears to be more efficiently from NCL with very little downtime, however an extra aircraft is required to position in on weekends to cover the flying programme according to the timetable.
I would also expect NCL to drop out of the top 10 airports, a shame but maybe it is a sign of the difficult market. It is quite hard to operate successful services from regional airports, with low cost the exception in a number of circumstances. Maybe eventually NCL will claw their way back into the top 10, should any further expansion take place. Afterall we have lost quite a bit over the past 12 months, with the stuff we are gaining not enough to cancel out the loss. I'm thinking we have lost: 3 charter units (1 MYT, 1 XLA, 1 FJE) and aircraft basings from EZY and LS, however we have gained extra frequency on domestic and international scheduled routes. The expansion is steady compared with the past, but I'd prefer steady and stable to rapid and short term.
Regarding the Jet2 rumour, it is a sensible idea, should it actually be in the pipeline to test the waters first with a charter service, though is LBA/MAN not the focus of this? With only 2 based aircraft from Jet2 now, as a result of the LGW ceasing their aircraft are operating what appears to be more efficiently from NCL with very little downtime, however an extra aircraft is required to position in on weekends to cover the flying programme according to the timetable.
I would also expect NCL to drop out of the top 10 airports, a shame but maybe it is a sign of the difficult market. It is quite hard to operate successful services from regional airports, with low cost the exception in a number of circumstances. Maybe eventually NCL will claw their way back into the top 10, should any further expansion take place. Afterall we have lost quite a bit over the past 12 months, with the stuff we are gaining not enough to cancel out the loss. I'm thinking we have lost: 3 charter units (1 MYT, 1 XLA, 1 FJE) and aircraft basings from EZY and LS, however we have gained extra frequency on domestic and international scheduled routes. The expansion is steady compared with the past, but I'd prefer steady and stable to rapid and short term.
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I to would doubt EK would offer an onward connextion to NY, however the rumour I keep hearing and reading is that EK are constantly been asked for their ncl stats by a US legacy carrier. I read recently that EK are keen to see NCL offer westward longhaul services - not sure why though?
The only US carrier I can think of is CO, correct me if im wrong, as this is the only US carrier they codeshare with and therefore the one EK are more likely to provide with the commercial data a carrier is after.
With regard to LS not sure if a transatlantic route with them would work as I suspect quite a lot of pax would want a legacy carrier with onward connextions. This is afterall what is making EK so successfull
The only US carrier I can think of is CO, correct me if im wrong, as this is the only US carrier they codeshare with and therefore the one EK are more likely to provide with the commercial data a carrier is after.
With regard to LS not sure if a transatlantic route with them would work as I suspect quite a lot of pax would want a legacy carrier with onward connextions. This is afterall what is making EK so successfull
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Good point but an LS passenger told me the other day that she'd go on a float plane if it meant she could go to New York from NCL, rather than having to go BA via LHR!
(No, Jet2 are not rumored to start operating a float plane from the Tyne!!)
(No, Jet2 are not rumored to start operating a float plane from the Tyne!!)
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A LS NYC service would be very limited, in terms of the passengers who would use it. Many passengers who would use a regular scheduled service to NYC would use it to connect to other parts of the US via a carriers hub in wither JFK or EWR, LS do not have this luxury so would therefore be aiming their service at primarily leisure passengers going for breaks etc. Of course there is always the possibility they could link up with Jetblue or similar??
The EK is very successful, because of onward connections. It would be very interesting to see the breakdown of certain flights to see how many pax are DXB only and how many are travelling onwards? An agreement, with say CO could work on a codeshare basis and allow NCL pax access to the US.
Who knows what will happen? We never expacted an airline like EK to serve NCL and they did - nothing stopping another surprise.
Pembo330 The GSM flight was actually a diversion from MME. MME has been suffering from fog I believe today and GSM, FR, TOM all diverted into NCL and operated back out. Coaches for pax provided.
The EK is very successful, because of onward connections. It would be very interesting to see the breakdown of certain flights to see how many pax are DXB only and how many are travelling onwards? An agreement, with say CO could work on a codeshare basis and allow NCL pax access to the US.
Who knows what will happen? We never expacted an airline like EK to serve NCL and they did - nothing stopping another surprise.
Pembo330 The GSM flight was actually a diversion from MME. MME has been suffering from fog I believe today and GSM, FR, TOM all diverted into NCL and operated back out. Coaches for pax provided.
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A LS NYC service would be very limited, in terms of the passengers who would use it. Many passengers who would use a regular scheduled service to NYC would use it to connect to other parts of the US via a carriers hub in wither JFK or EWR, LS do not have this luxury so would therefore be aiming their service at primarily leisure passengers going for breaks etc. Of course there is always the possibility they could link up with Jetblue or similar??
This is probably the reason why GSM failed from LPL. Most transatlantic carriers are either members of Alliances (BA/AA etc.) or have codeshares atleast on one side of the Atlantic. That is why I think VS have done extremely well in the scheduled market from LHR with little connections available!
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Not going to be enough origin and destination pax for LS in my opinion, only CO can make it work with onward connections. Can't get my head round the EK rumour, I don't see it happening, lots of seats on a A330 to fill.
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New York
im sure that pax could book onwards flights from new york with the US airlines by using there websites????
Im sure LS could make it work say 3x weekly.
it wouldnt work daily
Im sure LS could make it work say 3x weekly.
it wouldnt work daily