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i belive that leeds, newcastle and durham tees valley are all fighting to get FR to base.
Most people belive that Leeds will get it.
FR to launch a poland base tomorrow if NCL is on the route list then maybe we may see a base this winter.
1 based aircraft would do like boh it would be a start!!
Most people belive that Leeds will get it.
FR to launch a poland base tomorrow if NCL is on the route list then maybe we may see a base this winter.
1 based aircraft would do like boh it would be a start!!
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JET2 Winter 2008/9 Routes
i belive within the next few weeks jet2 will launch there winter routes
has anybody got an ideas of the plans?
Increase in flights to TFS,LPA,ACE maybe add SSH and Paphos and those promised long haul routes?
has anybody got an ideas of the plans?
Increase in flights to TFS,LPA,ACE maybe add SSH and Paphos and those promised long haul routes?
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belive that leeds, newcastle and durham tees valley are all fighting to get FR to base.
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Ryanair open bases in Belfast, Bournemouth, Bristol and Birmingham.
Easyjet virtually take over Gatwick, increase massively in Belfast, Bristol, central Scotland and Manchester.
Jet 2 grow in Leeds but nowhere else.
Flybe increase their presence in the south.
Meanwhile in sunny Geordieland...... nothing much at all really. No major announcements from Easy, Jet 2, Flybe and a route cut from Ryanair. I'm assuming airport management know this. Is Newcastle really that unloved?
Easyjet virtually take over Gatwick, increase massively in Belfast, Bristol, central Scotland and Manchester.
Jet 2 grow in Leeds but nowhere else.
Flybe increase their presence in the south.
Meanwhile in sunny Geordieland...... nothing much at all really. No major announcements from Easy, Jet 2, Flybe and a route cut from Ryanair. I'm assuming airport management know this. Is Newcastle really that unloved?
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northumberlandairway - certainly looks like airlines have given up on NCL but also the other NE airport down the road at MME. As you say massive expansion from practically every region of the UK except for the NE of England.
The future,from where I am sitting, looks pretty dire for this region.
The future,from where I am sitting, looks pretty dire for this region.
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Passenger figures showing 8.3 % down on Dec last year for Newcastle, according to CAA figures released today. You could be right Ncleflights....everything looking a bit dire for the future. However, Durham Tees Valley are showing a 21.5% increase, so maybe everything is not all bad for the NE.
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CAA Stats(provisional)
Again this month some stats are missing as they are provisional(BRS and CWL). I would expect about 20,000 to be added from these routes which should bring the reduction to just over 2% ish.
Bad enough, so this makes Nov and Dec the first two months for years to record a decline in pax nos at NCL. But considering there is one less easyjet aircraft based and less charters it could be much worse.
Dubai only slightly up on November, expected more with the Christmas period, but its still early days yet.
I believe we will see much greater decline in numbers throughout the summer. One of the big travel agents reckons there will be about 350000 less seats from NCL this coming summer(not sure if thats just charter?)
Yes many other regions are seeing massive growth with NCL being left behind. Perhaps a bit of stimulation is needed like for example Ryanair. I still believe there is despite the economic downturn untapped markets out there if the package is right.
Bad enough, so this makes Nov and Dec the first two months for years to record a decline in pax nos at NCL. But considering there is one less easyjet aircraft based and less charters it could be much worse.
Dubai only slightly up on November, expected more with the Christmas period, but its still early days yet.
I believe we will see much greater decline in numbers throughout the summer. One of the big travel agents reckons there will be about 350000 less seats from NCL this coming summer(not sure if thats just charter?)
Yes many other regions are seeing massive growth with NCL being left behind. Perhaps a bit of stimulation is needed like for example Ryanair. I still believe there is despite the economic downturn untapped markets out there if the package is right.
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Maybe Ryanair are working through the alphabet of UK airports for the new base launch strategy? Currently all the 'B's!
Interesting situation from BE though. The amount of daily flights will probably soon warrant a base at NCL. I also think BE may have been a better match for the LGW route with a BA codeshare perhaps to encourage connecting pax? I am still surprised they went for once daily on NCL - CWL as I believe the route can easily support a two daily. I know when I visit offices in Cardiff my employer makes everyone fly to BRS with EZY and then hire a car to drive over because they want pay T3's prices. I'm normally not the only person on the EZY flight in that situation either!
With ABZ though, providing the timings are good they will be going for T3's bread and butter routes so we'll have to watch what happens there.
It is getting quiet on the new route front though so I don't know where this will leave us for the rest of the year.
Interesting situation from BE though. The amount of daily flights will probably soon warrant a base at NCL. I also think BE may have been a better match for the LGW route with a BA codeshare perhaps to encourage connecting pax? I am still surprised they went for once daily on NCL - CWL as I believe the route can easily support a two daily. I know when I visit offices in Cardiff my employer makes everyone fly to BRS with EZY and then hire a car to drive over because they want pay T3's prices. I'm normally not the only person on the EZY flight in that situation either!
With ABZ though, providing the timings are good they will be going for T3's bread and butter routes so we'll have to watch what happens there.
It is getting quiet on the new route front though so I don't know where this will leave us for the rest of the year.
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NCL Growth
BE have been 'on' and 'off' for a year now on the NCL base issue and don't know what they are playing at remember the front page on the local rag NOv 06 regarding a 4 aircraft base. Nothing came of this despite BE breaking the story.
BE would, in my opinion, be a good addition to based airlines at NCL as it would give the NE the possibility of some routes that wont work with bigger aircraft.
On the Ryanair front, I am not their biggest fan but it would give us the desired growth in numbers and routes. Quite a few FR destinations would work from NCL, thinking of the likes of Madrid, Berlin, Shannon, Frankfurt are four that spring to mind. As an outsider the Teneriffe South would also work given the prices they charge from elsewhere in the UK to TFS although this would mean LS been forced off the route. However given the recent dumping of Milan by FR think that a base from them is unlikley.
BE would, in my opinion, be a good addition to based airlines at NCL as it would give the NE the possibility of some routes that wont work with bigger aircraft.
On the Ryanair front, I am not their biggest fan but it would give us the desired growth in numbers and routes. Quite a few FR destinations would work from NCL, thinking of the likes of Madrid, Berlin, Shannon, Frankfurt are four that spring to mind. As an outsider the Teneriffe South would also work given the prices they charge from elsewhere in the UK to TFS although this would mean LS been forced off the route. However given the recent dumping of Milan by FR think that a base from them is unlikley.
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Well unfortunately I disagree ! possibly one OR other of the Geman destinations SXF or FRA could justify the traffic, the others I seriously doubt. These routes have presumably been considered by EZY & LS? in past & taken no further. Now you are suggesting that RYR could obtain high enough LF's on higher capacity 738's to break even. Where does SNN fit into anyone's business plan?, and MAD although it must poll the highest in times it has been suggested on this forum, is probably also a non starter. MAD has an impressive airport with excellent latin connections, but is it really high profile enough on the tourist map, particularly if going up against EZY at BCN for leisure pax?
TFS is an intersting one, this route has soaked up considerable extra capacity thrown at it, whilst the fare prices have on the whole remained constantly high. Presumably this is down to large sector legnth, and as such much more sensitive to lower fares & LF's - the sort of route where an airline could get into trouble if there proved to be over capacity, so why would RYR even consider taking on all and sundry on a NCL-TFS ?
Quite a few FR destinations would work from NCL, thinking of the likes of Madrid, Berlin, Shannon, Frankfurt are four that spring to mind. As an outsider the Teneriffe South would also work
TFS is an intersting one, this route has soaked up considerable extra capacity thrown at it, whilst the fare prices have on the whole remained constantly high. Presumably this is down to large sector legnth, and as such much more sensitive to lower fares & LF's - the sort of route where an airline could get into trouble if there proved to be over capacity, so why would RYR even consider taking on all and sundry on a NCL-TFS ?
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If MOL were to ask me...
OK. Let's look at this from a purely economical point of view. Airlines are not charities, profit is not a dirty word and they are there to make money, pure and simple.
Yet when I look at some of the routes that Ryanair have launched recently I find it hard to believe that some of them will be economically viable. Look at the destinations map and you will see some routes which are best obscure. Liverpool, Bristol, Birmingham, EMA and Glasgow all have them. There are cities there that most geography graduates would struggle to place.
Newcastle is one of the UK's major cities, it and its hinterland have a reasonably varied and stable economy despite whatever the doom merchants might say. However it is a very sad state of affairs that soon there will be more routes in and out of Newquay than Newcastle.
Make no bones about it, Tyneside can support routes to a lot of cities across Europe. Where could Ryanair go to then? Milan and Oslo were lost because they wanted to use the planes elsewhere despite the fact they were performing reasonably well, the region's Polish community is crying out for links to cities such as Wroclaw and Gdansk, EZY should never have cut Berlin and why can't Newcastle justify a link to the Spanish capital? Other places do.
There is a belief here that Newcastle is too small and it's population only interested in frying on a beach. I think neither to be true. I think that the cities mentioned above (I'm sure others could think of other destinations themselves) that would turn in a profit for Ryanair should they be brave enough to base just one plane up here.
Yet when I look at some of the routes that Ryanair have launched recently I find it hard to believe that some of them will be economically viable. Look at the destinations map and you will see some routes which are best obscure. Liverpool, Bristol, Birmingham, EMA and Glasgow all have them. There are cities there that most geography graduates would struggle to place.
Newcastle is one of the UK's major cities, it and its hinterland have a reasonably varied and stable economy despite whatever the doom merchants might say. However it is a very sad state of affairs that soon there will be more routes in and out of Newquay than Newcastle.
Make no bones about it, Tyneside can support routes to a lot of cities across Europe. Where could Ryanair go to then? Milan and Oslo were lost because they wanted to use the planes elsewhere despite the fact they were performing reasonably well, the region's Polish community is crying out for links to cities such as Wroclaw and Gdansk, EZY should never have cut Berlin and why can't Newcastle justify a link to the Spanish capital? Other places do.
There is a belief here that Newcastle is too small and it's population only interested in frying on a beach. I think neither to be true. I think that the cities mentioned above (I'm sure others could think of other destinations themselves) that would turn in a profit for Ryanair should they be brave enough to base just one plane up here.
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There is a belief here that Newcastle is too small and it's population only interested in frying on a beach.
PS. Bet they were pleased to be using a remote stand now that work is being carried out on stand 11 !!
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However it is a very sad state of affairs that soon there will be more routes in and out of Newquay than Newcastle.
I don't think so...NCL has 40+ scheduled destinations plus all the IT destinations. Newquay if you count IT, Sched and summer only weekly routes counts to only 24!!
I don't think so...NCL has 40+ scheduled destinations plus all the IT destinations. Newquay if you count IT, Sched and summer only weekly routes counts to only 24!!
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I don't think so...NCL has 40+ scheduled destinations plus all the IT destinations. Newquay if you count IT, Sched and summer only weekly routes counts to only 24!!