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Leisure market to ABZ, BHX & CWL - 'sure there are thousands...'
With a B737.
You need a holiday mate.
or stop taking whatever pills it is you are on.
...and why would anyone think that FR will want to open a base?
Are you all happy for the other carriers to subsidise FR?
Get real; M O'L only goes where he can screw a deal. That's why he did not come, in any volume, to NCL years ago.
...and who on the airport saw the team from the US carrier the other day? They were not visiting the Airport company so who were they visiting?
...and what about the Polish carrier having detailed talks for S08?
Keep the faith, all will be revealed in time.
Leisure market to ABZ, BHX & CWL - 'sure there are thousands...'
With a B737.
You need a holiday mate.
or stop taking whatever pills it is you are on.
...and why would anyone think that FR will want to open a base?
Are you all happy for the other carriers to subsidise FR?
Get real; M O'L only goes where he can screw a deal. That's why he did not come, in any volume, to NCL years ago.
...and who on the airport saw the team from the US carrier the other day? They were not visiting the Airport company so who were they visiting?
...and what about the Polish carrier having detailed talks for S08?
Keep the faith, all will be revealed in time.
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So what your saying is that the only people to visit Aberdeen, Cardiff and Birmingham do so on business and for no other reason
"With a 737" no idea what your talking about
, prehaps you need some of these pills
"With a 737" no idea what your talking about
, prehaps you need some of these pills
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So just to summarise the rumours:
1. Flybe might announce some new routes, although they have already announced an increase in NCL-JER. Not sure if we will see anything new but guess we'll find out tomorrow.
2. Air Berlin meant to be coming to NCL to operate a german route or routes.
3. A US Carrier meant to be starting route or routes.
4 A polish carrier meant to be starting route or routes.
Is that all for now?
1. Flybe might announce some new routes, although they have already announced an increase in NCL-JER. Not sure if we will see anything new but guess we'll find out tomorrow.
2. Air Berlin meant to be coming to NCL to operate a german route or routes.
3. A US Carrier meant to be starting route or routes.
4 A polish carrier meant to be starting route or routes.
Is that all for now?
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Though some of us may not well use those 'rumoured' services, many could be a success given the right airline, aircraft, timings, frequency and marketing. I honestly can say I'd never have thought that EK DXB would be such a winner, but hey we're all wrong sometimes.
- can't see us getting much from BE, considering their merger with Connect
- AB could do well on german routes, given right frequency and decent timings
- Not even going to say anything on a US service!
- Surprised Poland hasn't been more well served from NCL before now! Wizz, Smartwings, LOT?
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transwede have to agree with you on the FLYBE front can't see NCL getting anything additional from them.
The US rumour - well weve had a month without one so its time it raised its head again.
AB not sure heard 4 months ago they were a definite appears not to be the case now.
Poland - well this has to be the worst kept secret that a move from MME to NCL is on the cards for the you know who.
Ryanair - would be nice but can't see it happening MOL does not appear to like either of the NE airports, look at the FR route network to see how badly both airports are served.
Anything else?
The US rumour - well weve had a month without one so its time it raised its head again.
AB not sure heard 4 months ago they were a definite appears not to be the case now.
Poland - well this has to be the worst kept secret that a move from MME to NCL is on the cards for the you know who.
Ryanair - would be nice but can't see it happening MOL does not appear to like either of the NE airports, look at the FR route network to see how badly both airports are served.
Anything else?
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Centrfix,
No, I'm not saying that - only that the leisure market for all 3 is not good enough to increase and/or start a route. Even if it were, a B737 would not be the aircraft to do so with, it is too big.
CWL may be the only one with potential, albeit very limited. Main problem is that it is against Bristol and that does have a market that is served.
ABZ is NOT a leisure destination for all but a very few. Yes, the oil market is booming but that is very fixed on the times it needs flights for and it will never be like it was back in the '80s again.
BHX - it is quicker to drive!
GH
No, I'm not saying that - only that the leisure market for all 3 is not good enough to increase and/or start a route. Even if it were, a B737 would not be the aircraft to do so with, it is too big.
CWL may be the only one with potential, albeit very limited. Main problem is that it is against Bristol and that does have a market that is served.
ABZ is NOT a leisure destination for all but a very few. Yes, the oil market is booming but that is very fixed on the times it needs flights for and it will never be like it was back in the '80s again.
BHX - it is quicker to drive!
GH
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The full picture from Flybe is:
Belfast City....2 x daily Mo-Fri, 1 x Sa and 1 x Su
Cardiff...........1 x daily (New route)
Jersey...........4 x weekly Tu/Th/Sa/Su (gain of 3 weekly flights)
Exeter...........1 x daily Mo-Fri, 1 x 3 wkly Mo/W/F, 1 x Sa, 1 x Su (loss of Tu
and Th flights)
Limoge...........1 x wkly Sa
Southampton 1 x daily Mo - Sa, 1 x daily Mo - Fr, 1 x daily Mo -Fr + Su,
1 x Su.
seems to be expansion taken overall. (120 movements per week)
Belfast City....2 x daily Mo-Fri, 1 x Sa and 1 x Su
Cardiff...........1 x daily (New route)
Jersey...........4 x weekly Tu/Th/Sa/Su (gain of 3 weekly flights)
Exeter...........1 x daily Mo-Fri, 1 x 3 wkly Mo/W/F, 1 x Sa, 1 x Su (loss of Tu
and Th flights)
Limoge...........1 x wkly Sa
Southampton 1 x daily Mo - Sa, 1 x daily Mo - Fr, 1 x daily Mo -Fr + Su,
1 x Su.
seems to be expansion taken overall. (120 movements per week)
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I have raised this point some time ago but really whis IS MAN such a 'sensitive' word from a NCL prospective & indeed it would appear from any airline considering NCL - MAN ? The old & traditional reasons of non suitable aircraft, slots restrictions due to single runway have long since gone. MAN has moved on in leaps & bounds with direct & non stop LH to just about anywhere & can in no way be viewed as competition. So why is the place less accessable than LHR,AMS,CDG or anyother hub worth mentioning ? Surely what is needed for NCL is simply a FREQUENT commuter shedule, this in effect would take substantial pressure off the demand and indeed business case for further LH routes particularly westbound. Such types of services could potentially also throw in the odd schedule to EDI or GLA to connect with their westbound US departures. All of this is the type of creative thinking that airlines considering NCL should be thinking about instead of such 'major' decisions as whether or not to add an extra JER to the S08 schedules.
To me it's all about mentallity any NCL - US sevice is likely to comprise a large amount of through PAX to other US destinations in any event, so just as practical in many instances to use MAN if direct flight.
PS Please don't come back to me from any angle with an Eastern scenario. Being well travelled on their J41 BHX service I clearly appreciate that this is not what is required !
To me it's all about mentallity any NCL - US sevice is likely to comprise a large amount of through PAX to other US destinations in any event, so just as practical in many instances to use MAN if direct flight.
PS Please don't come back to me from any angle with an Eastern scenario. Being well travelled on their J41 BHX service I clearly appreciate that this is not what is required !
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Skyman,
I agree with you that, at times, MAN seems to bring out the worst in people. It's a good airport and does, at a stretch, compete with NCL in some of the market segments.
However, there is a simple reason why MAN is not serviced from NCL for their LH & European connections - it is too close to at least 50% of the NCL catchment area.
I live slightly north of Newcastle.
To go to MAN by air to connect:
25 - 35 mins drive to airport
2 hour parking, check-in, security etc.
1 hr flight incl taxy at both ends
20 min arrival and offload period
..and then onto your connection - at least 90 mins ahead.
A Minimum total for LH flight of around 5 hrs 30 mins.
Drive to MAN - a good day 2 hrs 30mins (it is 165 miles from home); a bad day 3 hrs 30 mins.
2 hr 30 mins parking, check-in etc.
On a good day it's better, a bad day about the same.
The cost of fuel against the cost of an air fare, tax etc.
Even worse in terms of flight for EDI and about the same for GLA.
Whilst the EuroStar might not have any impact on us up t'North it will be interesting to see if BRU benefits from London passengers going by train to BRU and then connecting with LH flights rather than the fight through any of the London airports.
I agree with you that, at times, MAN seems to bring out the worst in people. It's a good airport and does, at a stretch, compete with NCL in some of the market segments.
However, there is a simple reason why MAN is not serviced from NCL for their LH & European connections - it is too close to at least 50% of the NCL catchment area.
I live slightly north of Newcastle.
To go to MAN by air to connect:
25 - 35 mins drive to airport
2 hour parking, check-in, security etc.
1 hr flight incl taxy at both ends
20 min arrival and offload period
..and then onto your connection - at least 90 mins ahead.
A Minimum total for LH flight of around 5 hrs 30 mins.
Drive to MAN - a good day 2 hrs 30mins (it is 165 miles from home); a bad day 3 hrs 30 mins.
2 hr 30 mins parking, check-in etc.
On a good day it's better, a bad day about the same.
The cost of fuel against the cost of an air fare, tax etc.
Even worse in terms of flight for EDI and about the same for GLA.
Whilst the EuroStar might not have any impact on us up t'North it will be interesting to see if BRU benefits from London passengers going by train to BRU and then connecting with LH flights rather than the fight through any of the London airports.
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I agree with GH, MAN is too close for an airlink.
However GH, in response to the BHX link (having drove it many times
) i'd much sooner be sitting in a departure lounge drinking coffee and reading a paper than be on the M1 and A42, even if it took longer and cost more. Still think twice daily in a Dash-8 is viable.
However GH, in response to the BHX link (having drove it many times
) i'd much sooner be sitting in a departure lounge drinking coffee and reading a paper than be on the M1 and A42, even if it took longer and cost more. Still think twice daily in a Dash-8 is viable.
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So I gather there is no truth in the rather strange posting saying that NCL is Jet2's least profitable base? Though it does seem odd that there has been so much cut back on their S08 operations!
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..... 'rather strange'... why?, please elaborate & in any event this dealt with Jet2's total NCL operation in context with other bases. LGW is only part of the NCL operation upon which no specific comment was made or eluded to
rather strange posting saying that NCL is Jet2's least profitable base?
& in any event this dealt with Jet2's total NCL operation in context with other bases. LGW is only part of the NCL operation upon which no specific comment was made or eluded to
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Forgive me, I wasn't too clear on that posting. I actually did not mean the question to be aimed specifically at the LGW route, but to the Jet2 operation in NCL as a whole? The reason I find it strange is that Jet2 seem or appear to be doing fairly well, competing against other carriers so being their most unprofitable base confuses me!
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Though it does seem odd that there has been so much cut back on their S08 operations
However, during S07, the 757's were often only operated once a day or twice a day on 'lighter load' destinations. e.g. week day Murcia's. 150 pax is quite a lot for a 737 but not exactly crowded when on a 235 seat 757.
Belfast is now a 757 base, partly following the sucess at NCL, especially on the Canaries routes.
I hear that there are 'greater plans afoot' and we must still await further news. The latest destination leaflet is issue 2 and usually it won't be until issue 13 or 14 before all the routes are finalised. ETOPS is still planned for the winter too- but it's a bit early to be discussing W08!!
As for NCL not profitable???????
Maybe, not as profitable as hoped for perhaps but you can never make too much profit can you????
Jet2 management, like 99% of airlines are rather switched on 'wheeler - dealers'. If NCL was loss making, the operation would be shut down and the aircraft and crews relocated!!!!
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Whilst the EuroStar might not have any impact on us up t'North it will be interesting to see if BRU benefits from London passengers going by train to BRU and then connecting with LH flights rather than the fight through any of the London airports.
Anywhere near enough to Ebbsfleet to make this worthwhile is probably only 90 minutes away from LHR and even closer to Gatwick, so I don't see much point in going over to Brussels to avoid the 'stress' of LHR.
Particularly when that option involves transiting the centre of Brussels on a normal suburban train with luggage at rush hour, and ending up in an airport with limited longhaul services...so in the event of any cancellation you'd probably find yourself routed back through the airport you were aiming to avoid in the first place!
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NCL is a profitable base, if it wasnt we would be going the same way as MAN and downsizing. Yes NCL is a little quieter next summer but its a period of consolidation for Jet2, we have been growing every year now since our launch so its going to happen eventually where the airline needs to catch up. Jet2 are now keen to explore the charter market and the north east is one of the niche markets where people will still save year round and pay for that charter package rather than book hotac, flights etc seperate.
The LGW service is now getting popular, loads could still be better but over the weekend the laods were 100+ per flight, thats not bad really.
Also Jet2 reply heavily on onboard sales and NCL is often top selling base, i find it hard to believe that they are the lowest behind the likes of MAN BLK and even EDI, I would like to think we are maybe 2nd most profitable base.
Like 757 said, if it wasnt making money we wouldnt be here now, jet2 will chop and change things around to make money... just ask the guys in MAN!
The LGW service is now getting popular, loads could still be better but over the weekend the laods were 100+ per flight, thats not bad really.
Also Jet2 reply heavily on onboard sales and NCL is often top selling base, i find it hard to believe that they are the lowest behind the likes of MAN BLK and even EDI, I would like to think we are maybe 2nd most profitable base.
Like 757 said, if it wasnt making money we wouldnt be here now, jet2 will chop and change things around to make money... just ask the guys in MAN!