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LHR free add ons
Agree with Skyman771 never seen these for a long time, they used to do it on BA holidays etc.
However as recent as a few months ago I have seen free add on from MAN and very very cheap add ons from EDI and GLA.
So bearing in mind the high LF on this route, paying passengers, apparently good yields and no competition unlike some other BA domestic routes flying alongside BD, It should be here to stay. Am I right in thinking that NCL is the only major BA domestic to LHR without competition?
Conclusion is in theory that higher fees from BAA should have less effect on NCL-LHR than other BA routes.
One thing that could have an effect on this route is of course Emirates new service to Dubai. which will also hurt KL/AF.We shall see.
However as recent as a few months ago I have seen free add on from MAN and very very cheap add ons from EDI and GLA.
So bearing in mind the high LF on this route, paying passengers, apparently good yields and no competition unlike some other BA domestic routes flying alongside BD, It should be here to stay. Am I right in thinking that NCL is the only major BA domestic to LHR without competition?
Conclusion is in theory that higher fees from BAA should have less effect on NCL-LHR than other BA routes.
One thing that could have an effect on this route is of course Emirates new service to Dubai. which will also hurt KL/AF.We shall see.
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Oh yes that Vile reporter from the BBC who seems to have nothing better to do than slag of airlines for there delays at NCL airport......its about time he got a life and started naming and shaming all of the drunken teenagers that run amock on our streets in the late evenings.
Dont think he would be so clever to stand beside them and report on them for a change.............
Dont think he would be so clever to stand beside them and report on them for a change.............
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Emirates
Just another week to go till Emirates commences daily flights to Dubai. Surely this is the most important milestone in the history of Newcastle Airport. The link is fantastic news for the North East in general. Daily flights to the fastest growing city in the world. You have to see Dubai to believe the scale and ambition they have. Business opportunities within the Middle East are truly mind boggling and this daily link will open up opportunities to businesses in most sectors in the North East.
Let's just hope the service is successful long term.
Anybody have any news on the replacement for John Parkin?
Let's just hope the service is successful long term.
Anybody have any news on the replacement for John Parkin?
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Latest CAA Stats
July's Provisional Stats for NCL are in. I have summarised some of the scheduled ones below:
European
NCL-BRU 3417 DOWN -4%
NCL-CPH 2552 DOWN -12%
NCL-LIG 562 New route (Once weekly flight)
NCL-CDG 22588 UP 22%
NCL-NCE 8577 UP 20%
NCL-DUS 1936 UP 19%
NCL-HAJ 2560 DOWN 17%
NCL-ORK 3891 UP 4%
NCL-DUB 19500 UP 38%
NCL-GWY 1146 New route
NCL-BGY 4041 DOWN 11%
NCL-PSA 3539 UP 11%
NCL-CIA 7824 UP 9%
NCL-AMS 28038 DOWN 13%
NCL-ALC 28375 UP 22% (in total including charters)
NCL-Almeria 1963 New route
NCL-BCN 9073 UP 15%
NCL-Girona 7182 UP 72% (FR is 5925 of Total)
NCL-AGP 30402 UP 67% (in total including charters)
NCL-MJV 11344 UP 75%
NCL-VLC 2533 New route
NCL-BGO 2157 DOWN 38%
NCL-Stavanger 1895 UP 14%
NCL-PRG 8256 UP 5%
NCL-KRK 7984 New route
Domestic
NCL-LGW 7545 DOWN 67%
NCL-LHR 42534 UP 6%
NCL-STN 27395 UP 5%
NCL-ABZ 2086 DOWN 2%
NCL-BHD 3504 UP 59%
NCL-BFS 20021 DOWN 4%
NCL-BHX 2069 DOWN 6%
NCL-BRS 22004 UP 4%
NCL-CWL 1441 DOWN 8%
NCL-EXT 5140 DOWN 5%
NCL-IOM 598 DOWN 13%
NCL-JER 769 UP 8%
NCL-SOU 10636 DOWN 10%
In total Newcastle has had a 4.4% increase in pax based on the same period last year (that will also include charters).
European
NCL-BRU 3417 DOWN -4%
NCL-CPH 2552 DOWN -12%
NCL-LIG 562 New route (Once weekly flight)
NCL-CDG 22588 UP 22%
NCL-NCE 8577 UP 20%
NCL-DUS 1936 UP 19%
NCL-HAJ 2560 DOWN 17%
NCL-ORK 3891 UP 4%
NCL-DUB 19500 UP 38%
NCL-GWY 1146 New route
NCL-BGY 4041 DOWN 11%
NCL-PSA 3539 UP 11%
NCL-CIA 7824 UP 9%
NCL-AMS 28038 DOWN 13%
NCL-ALC 28375 UP 22% (in total including charters)
NCL-Almeria 1963 New route
NCL-BCN 9073 UP 15%
NCL-Girona 7182 UP 72% (FR is 5925 of Total)
NCL-AGP 30402 UP 67% (in total including charters)
NCL-MJV 11344 UP 75%
NCL-VLC 2533 New route
NCL-BGO 2157 DOWN 38%
NCL-Stavanger 1895 UP 14%
NCL-PRG 8256 UP 5%
NCL-KRK 7984 New route
Domestic
NCL-LGW 7545 DOWN 67%
NCL-LHR 42534 UP 6%
NCL-STN 27395 UP 5%
NCL-ABZ 2086 DOWN 2%
NCL-BHD 3504 UP 59%
NCL-BFS 20021 DOWN 4%
NCL-BHX 2069 DOWN 6%
NCL-BRS 22004 UP 4%
NCL-CWL 1441 DOWN 8%
NCL-EXT 5140 DOWN 5%
NCL-IOM 598 DOWN 13%
NCL-JER 769 UP 8%
NCL-SOU 10636 DOWN 10%
In total Newcastle has had a 4.4% increase in pax based on the same period last year (that will also include charters).
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A very creditable performance.
It should also be mentioned that pax traffic reached 627,492 which I think is the first time the 600,000 mthly pax figure has been breached.
Good to see Stavanger picking up again and KLM seems to have more than held its own since Jet 2 came off the Amsterdam route.
Copenhagen is doing well considering it is now operated by Cimber and not SAS and must be near the frequency increase threshold....SAS said 2,500 monthly.
Jet 2 still struggling with Gatwick, maybe things will get better.
It should also be mentioned that pax traffic reached 627,492 which I think is the first time the 600,000 mthly pax figure has been breached.
Good to see Stavanger picking up again and KLM seems to have more than held its own since Jet 2 came off the Amsterdam route.
Copenhagen is doing well considering it is now operated by Cimber and not SAS and must be near the frequency increase threshold....SAS said 2,500 monthly.
Jet 2 still struggling with Gatwick, maybe things will get better.
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Re: LGW, if they did something about the prices they'd do a lot better. It's generally far dearer than BA were on the route on peak time services, certainly not representative of a "low fares" airline. Eastern prices for Jet 2 service, doesn't add up for the average pax, even regular business travellers
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I very much doubt the fire service will give the first EK a water salute, though there will be the usual celebrations going on in the terminal. It is going to be interesting how the airport will cope with the first departure, particularly on a saturday afternoon when the airport is extremely busy. I suspect the charter check in hall will be dedicated to EK, with all other flights pushed along slightly. Wonder if TOM are happy getting moved off their regular checkin area?
nclairportfan those figures are fairly pleasing, though a few are a bit disappointing. HAJ, BGY and BRU I would of thought would have less of a drop than that.
I suspect that next year, there will be further drops, particularly with the charter destinations. The consolidation in the industry, plus the large drop in capacity by the XL group will have negative effects all round.
Is it true that XL have formally announced they will not return to NCL next year and infact sub out all their work to a third party carrier? I do hope this is not the case or it would feel NCL is going backwards in expansion in this area of the industry. One thing that NCL does not want is to become an airport reliant on loco flights. A mixture is better for the consumer?
nclairportfan those figures are fairly pleasing, though a few are a bit disappointing. HAJ, BGY and BRU I would of thought would have less of a drop than that.
I suspect that next year, there will be further drops, particularly with the charter destinations. The consolidation in the industry, plus the large drop in capacity by the XL group will have negative effects all round.
Is it true that XL have formally announced they will not return to NCL next year and infact sub out all their work to a third party carrier? I do hope this is not the case or it would feel NCL is going backwards in expansion in this area of the industry. One thing that NCL does not want is to become an airport reliant on loco flights. A mixture is better for the consumer?
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xl flights
Just beening looking at the kosmar website and the flight guide has been updated for summer 2008.
Looks like its not just NCL which has lost out. They have scaled everything back including the choice of days you can fly. unless you are flying from LGW or MAN theres not a lot of choice now.
I still cant belive that we are loosing some many of these routes when the big tour operators dont even offer these routes from NCL anyway.
Hopefully the other operators to greece will get together and charter somebody else in and offer these flights for the north east peple.
FJE update: Euro Atlantic B767 is based operating all the dalayed flights this weekend. FJEB is tech again not going anywhere soon
Looks like its not just NCL which has lost out. They have scaled everything back including the choice of days you can fly. unless you are flying from LGW or MAN theres not a lot of choice now.
I still cant belive that we are loosing some many of these routes when the big tour operators dont even offer these routes from NCL anyway.
Hopefully the other operators to greece will get together and charter somebody else in and offer these flights for the north east peple.
FJE update: Euro Atlantic B767 is based operating all the dalayed flights this weekend. FJEB is tech again not going anywhere soon
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Atleast FJE have managed to subcharter something in, without having a 24hr + delay. EuroAtlantic seem to cooperate alot with Flyjet. Its a shame that they have had such a run of bad luck, stats from the winter season 06/07 placed them 5th in UK punctuality tables - a great improvement, though I think this summer will let them down again! I have heard plans are in place to have EB repaired for monday.
Regarding the flights to the destinations in Greece which are not on sale, due to cutbacks the only tour operators likely to charter something else are Olympic and Libra Holidays. Kosmar now form part of the XL group. Its a shame but I very much doubt that the likes of JTR etc will appear from NCL. Its expensive for small operators like Libra and Olympic to charter an aircraft and is a big risk to have a whole charter.
Regarding the flights to the destinations in Greece which are not on sale, due to cutbacks the only tour operators likely to charter something else are Olympic and Libra Holidays. Kosmar now form part of the XL group. Its a shame but I very much doubt that the likes of JTR etc will appear from NCL. Its expensive for small operators like Libra and Olympic to charter an aircraft and is a big risk to have a whole charter.
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One problem is that there are very few charter aircraft based in Greece, so a 'w' pattern would probably be needed in order to maintain axed XL Greek Island routes
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slots for inbound aircraft
My aunty has just arrived back to newcastle and has been delayed. The reason she was given was that aircraft were being given a slot for landing into NCL.
can anybody tell me the reason why?
ive heard of aircraft been given slots outbound due to lots of traffic in europe but not for landing here.
can anybody tell me the reason why?
ive heard of aircraft been given slots outbound due to lots of traffic in europe but not for landing here.
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"BMI LHR-MME is a goner
BA LHR-NCL is staying, especially as load-wise it's BAs best domestic"
How do you know that...? would have thought like-for like EDI or ABZ would have been better than NCL. But I suppose NCL doesnt have any direct competition on the LHR route that others do
BA LHR-NCL is staying, especially as load-wise it's BAs best domestic"
How do you know that...? would have thought like-for like EDI or ABZ would have been better than NCL. But I suppose NCL doesnt have any direct competition on the LHR route that others do
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It can happen if the apron is completely full and there is nowhere that the inbound aircraft can be safely held whilst a stand is vacated by an outbound a/c. It must be pretty rare at NCL, but at a guess, I would say that might be why.