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Old 10th Jan 2008, 21:29
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 21:36
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Transwede have to agree with you on the ETOPS post in relation to Jet2 yes they will need to sort the realiability probems out. Just look at the mess GSM got in this year in relation to the reliability of their ETOPS fleet.

On a different point with Ryanairs announcement of a new base in Bournemouth today does anyone know why thet seem to dislike the NE airports. Surely a small FR base at either NCL, MME or LBA would work to many of the current pile of FR destinations, ie TFS, MAD, SXF are 3 that come stright to mind.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 22:22
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Interesting point you raise about Jet2, you suffered delays , thats not nice but ultimately you got to your destination... will EZY or RYanair guarantee you this??????

Whatever the failings of Jet2 in NCL , they are a professional bunch that get the job done.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 22:46
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I'll agree there, and so is the handling agent Swissport if memory serves correctly, its run very well from what I see especially from the ops side. Keep up the good work.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 22:51
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Re. cheap fares, I'd rather pay more than have the 6 hour delays I had with them last year and missing the first night on the way out and getting back to NCL on the return at an unscheduled time when they can't find anyone to push some steps up to the plane to let the pax off etc etc(ie 30 mins in the passport queue and then the dodgy baggage belts).
Ash:

Sorry you had these delays. Firstly, I'm not a Jet2 spokesman, nor do I wish to detract from a thread which is about Newcastle Airport rather than Jet2.

The issue re steps and baggage handling is just as annoying for Jet2 as it has bugger-all to do with them - they pay (more than any other base) for the handling that Swissport are supposed to provide. Busses are the airports responsibility and are often streched when 2 or 3 aircraft turn up at once.

Largerlout:

Good point. Both EZY and FR would simply cancel the flight and leave the pax in the lurch, what do they care, they have a huge customer base.

I know for a fact that when a 757 from NCL went tech in Tenerife (for a very small engine pitot fault) that 152 pax were put up in the Arona-Grand, a 4* hotel. Not as good as getting home on the day you planed but softens the blow a bit.

Having watched the 'rugby scrum' like dash at boarding with FR or EZY the fact your allocated and can even choose your seats online would sway me to fly Jet2 but I'm biased.

Transwede:

Extra flights, and I'm only going off an add I've just seen on a bus shelter, is Faro and Alicante but that could just be an advertising error!!

Re ETOPS:

Tech. problems will need to be ironed out as I belive prooving flights will start this summer. The issue GSM had, I belive, was not having the right documention on an atlantic flight but I could be wrong.
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 23:23
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On a different point with Ryanairs announcement of a new base in Bournemouth today does anyone know why thet seem to dislike the NE airports.
Not sure why, but there are lots of routes they could offer which aren't currently served by airlines operating out of Newcastle. Arent they stopping one of the routes that they currently operate? Can't remember which one though??
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 23:41
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Arent they stopping one of the routes that they currently operate? Can't remember which one though??
They're axing Milan, leaving just Dublin and Girona
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 07:35
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Thanks for the reply. I can only speak as I find and have yet to have a problem with EZY whereas Jet2 had long delay problems all summer long.For my 6 hour delay in AGP I got a 5 voucher which wouldn't even get a sandwich and when people complained to the rep giving them out she only wanted to tell everyone her problems and how it had also happened the day before as well!!

Back to NCL, on my recent trip I used the remote check-in for KLM for the first time. How has that worked out? It worked very well for me, though not sure of the reason for it other than maybe separating the hold baggage people from the hand-luggage only pax. Are there not long delays at busy times when large numbers of people are trying to use the machine at the same time when they aren't sure what to do if it's their first time using it?
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 09:57
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Surely a small FR base at either NCL, MME or LBA would work to many of the current pile of FR destinations, ie TFS, MAD, SXF are 3 that come stright to mind.
I'm surprised they've never tried HHN, to take advantage of the foolhardy travellers who run the gauntlet of booking 'connecting' flights with FR.

In fact, it seems strange that there are so few flights to Germany (on any airline). You would have thought that when Newcastle can support such esoteric destinations as Galway and Stavanger, that a link to MUC, FRA or BER might be a goer.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 10:16
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Having flown the easyjet many times i can tell you now they will never get another penny of my money. Ash666 you seem to have had probs with Jet2, thats fair enough if you dont want to go back to them, but how you feel about them is how i feel about easyjet, i find their crew rude, the groundhandling appauling and on numerous occasions the flight has been either cancelled or delayed with no information and at least you got a 5 voucher from jet2 (which isnt ment to by a meal, its ment to be TOWARDS you buying a meal) we got nothing from easyjet! which is now illegal!
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 11:03
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Last time I had a delay on EasyJet we got given Vouchers for 3 i think.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 14:36
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Having watched the 'rugby scrum' like dash at boarding with FR or EZY the fact your allocated and can even choose your seats online would sway me to fly Jet2 but I'm biased.
True, but only if you pay extra. You can't select a seat online unless you pay 3 each way the last time I did it. Family of 4 adds 24 to their trip.

I've travelled with EZY, FR and Jet2; a lot of the boarding process depends on the gate design, the competence of the boarding agents and the destination.

I've had horrors with all and easy times with all - equally I've suffered scrum like scenarios with BA, KLM etc.

Gates at NCL are, and always have been, a joke. The airport cram too many seats into the gates and do not leave enough space to control even a seated departure well.

Boarding agents - NCL do not score highly here. They try to make announcements to keep people seated but Joe public ignore whatever they are told and head for the gate as soon as the first word is uttered, no matter what their boarding priority is. It rarely matters whether the flight is seated or not seated.

The destination - try an Italian destination from a French airport. If you think there is a scrum in the UK then I'm not sure what you would call this 'event' - a mass brawl?

All this aside, I think EZY are missing a trick with boarding and could introduce seat selection, even if only on selected destinations, at minimum cost but at a profit to them.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 14:52
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Ryanair

it will only be a matter of time before ryanair base at either DTV or NCL.
rumour on another forum suggests that talks are taking place now with both airports?


dont know why they are dropping BGY from ncl and routing it to MAN instead the loads on this are always over 120 on each flight. over xmas the flights were full..
must be down to airport costs!?
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 15:07
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I was surprised to see FR drop BGY, maybe its part of a long term plan - who knows, but I'm sure its a route somebody else could pick up and it continue to attract good load factors!

mad_rich

Over the years various routes to Germany have been tried at NCL, but with not much sucess or longtivity to them. HAM, HAJ, CGN, MUC and SXF are recent attempts with only DUS and HAJ remaining. EZY did operate SXF for a while and loads seemed to be improving when the flight ceased. Rumours have circulated before about both Flybe and AB starting services to city and low cost hubs respectively, but BE plans for a NCL base have been shelved for the time being apparantly and no more has been said of AB! Lets see what the future holds?

I am still very interested in seeing Jet2's aircraft utilisation for S08. The opinions that they will be very busy are interesting as last year they were reasonably quiet and their timetable does not reflect a particularly busy programme coming up, even with the addition of a 1 x weekly RHO charter, which incidentally cannot be booked via the tour operator who is chartering the aircraft. It would be a nice money earner for LS to start operating a series of summer/winter charters?!
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 15:23
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There saturday jersey service is down to be operated by EMB190
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 15:25
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Ncl-bgy

Hi,

For those that are interested, the average flown load factor on NCL-BGY was 68% (128 per flight) for the period Jan - Sept 2007, down from 74% for the same period last year, despite a 20% reduction in the number of flights.

The usual comments about loads and yields apply here, but from the stats above, the route seems weak and was on the decline. Anyone care to offer theories as to why?

Incidentally, NCL-GRO has an average flown LF of 83% (157 per flight) for the period March - November 2007, which looks much more promising. MME-GRO was not far behind on 81% since Feb.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 16:34
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BGY - Seems like a no brainer to me using a smaller aircraft than Ryanair 737-800's on this route. Milan is a year round destination attracting business travellers and tourists (including skiiers in winter) due to close proximity to lakes and mountains. Surely Jet2 or even easyJet (albeit to Malpensa) could easlily sustain a daily service at sensible times onthis route?
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 17:21
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Let's face it, if Newcastle can justify twice daily flights to Belgium and Denmark and three or four to the Irish Republic, Norway, France and the Netherlands, then three or four flights a week to Cologne, Berlin or Munich are feasible and economically viable.

Newcastle seems to have a reputation amongst the lo-cos as a bucket and spade airport which means the airlines do not give the city break market time to establish itself.

One day Ryanair, Jet2, Flybe and Easyjet might realise that all Geordies don't want to turn into lobsters and sit and eat chips on the Costas.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 17:37
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the main reason for the decline in numbers on the BGY flights is quite simple.

the timings now mean you arrive at Bergamo at 2355, and so if you want to go on to Milan your not going to get there before 0100.

when the route was first reduced to Tue-Thu-Sat it used to arrive into BGY about 2000 which meant you could be sat in a restaurant in Bergamo by 2045
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 18:09
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I flew to Palma last Summer with Jet2 - aircraft, service, online check-in and crew all fine. We were delayed 3 hours outbound because the crew arrived back late the previous evening. However with Jet2 being a low cost airline and the prices I paid being as cheap as Easyjet (better flight times being the deciding factor) I was most realistic in my expectations and accepted this as a consequence of flying low cost. Some people want BA service at low prices, you get what you pay for - accept it!
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