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I've never blamed the baggage handlers or coach drivers. They are just doing what they are told to do. Yes, I've blamed check-in staff who are, generally, notoriously bad with, I guess, very old computers/software, though I have had the occasional gem. I have also criticised the 25 minute queues at immigration, though not the staff themselves.
Yes, I have criticised the seemingly routine 3-7 hour delays with Jet2.
Unacceptable things should be criticised in the hope that improvements will be made.
Airport "Insiders" on this forum had the chance to say, yes, your criticism is valid but this is what the airport is planning to do about it. Instead I just got shot down in flames and effectively told not to complain.
Yes, I have criticised the seemingly routine 3-7 hour delays with Jet2.
Unacceptable things should be criticised in the hope that improvements will be made.
Airport "Insiders" on this forum had the chance to say, yes, your criticism is valid but this is what the airport is planning to do about it. Instead I just got shot down in flames and effectively told not to complain.
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Ash-get a life and learn to read I have told the forum of the extending of the immigration area (happening now)! I have also admited that NCL is not perfect, which airports are, and like any business you have to balance the books. You want low cost flights but with 5* service
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why are we still going on airport delays at the airport!! SO BORING NOW
i have any idea. when ash 666 posts something on here the rest of us DONT REPLY to it!! page 19 now and most of the pages are repeating themselfs.
a good rumour has been posted on here about 2x weekly service to EWR hopefully to start middle of next year and very little reponse instead back to talking about the airport buses and baggage handlers and now even the checkin staff?
Anybody got any thoughts on the rumours of FR buying out AB?
i have any idea. when ash 666 posts something on here the rest of us DONT REPLY to it!! page 19 now and most of the pages are repeating themselfs.
a good rumour has been posted on here about 2x weekly service to EWR hopefully to start middle of next year and very little reponse instead back to talking about the airport buses and baggage handlers and now even the checkin staff?
Anybody got any thoughts on the rumours of FR buying out AB?
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HH6702 - well said
On the EWR rumour, I heard Jet2 were trying to add it from this Winter which is why the delay in releasing more winter flights from NCL this came from a Jet 2 source.
They are apparently looking at the leisure market rather than business users which may explain the twice weekly service, lets hope if it kicks off they do better the GSM from Liverpool who have now pulled the route.
Lets hope this happens.
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On the EWR rumour, I heard Jet2 were trying to add it from this Winter which is why the delay in releasing more winter flights from NCL this came from a Jet 2 source.
They are apparently looking at the leisure market rather than business users which may explain the twice weekly service, lets hope if it kicks off they do better the GSM from Liverpool who have now pulled the route.
Lets hope this happens.
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Grahamk -yes they have pulled them check the GSM website they have pulled the winter flights and it now stops at the end of October.
Well publicised in the local media in Liverpool last week.
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Well publicised in the local media in Liverpool last week.
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Thank You....
So lets get things right.
Jet2 looking to start the service this winter using a 757 then to be upgraded to a 767 from the middle of next year?
Im really hoping this comes off. Hope that the planned 2x weekly flights are full resulting in this becoming at least 5x weekly when we get the 767 next summer.
Anybody heard anymore about GSM starting a weekly SFB for this winter?
So lets get things right.
Jet2 looking to start the service this winter using a 757 then to be upgraded to a 767 from the middle of next year?
Im really hoping this comes off. Hope that the planned 2x weekly flights are full resulting in this becoming at least 5x weekly when we get the 767 next summer.
Anybody heard anymore about GSM starting a weekly SFB for this winter?
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HH6702 - not sure about the 767 doing EWR it is planned to be based at NCL if the deal happens but what they use it for - not heard a rumour on that one.
The plan is if the 2 x weekly 757s become popular then they may consider increasing frequency however they, as far as I understand, are looking to keep it at twice a week even in the Summer. Lets hope it can start for the Winter but I suspect that we may have to wait until summer 08, apparently extra life rafts have been added already to one of the NCL 757s as part of the ETOPS work they need to undergo not sure how far they are in getting the other work completed.
On the GSM to SFB - this is an annual rumour and not sure given the mess they have made of long haul elsewhere NCL would really want then anyway.
The plan is if the 2 x weekly 757s become popular then they may consider increasing frequency however they, as far as I understand, are looking to keep it at twice a week even in the Summer. Lets hope it can start for the Winter but I suspect that we may have to wait until summer 08, apparently extra life rafts have been added already to one of the NCL 757s as part of the ETOPS work they need to undergo not sure how far they are in getting the other work completed.
On the GSM to SFB - this is an annual rumour and not sure given the mess they have made of long haul elsewhere NCL would really want then anyway.
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In view of all the recent comment I hope that this is not taken as too negative, but I'm really scratching my head on the prospect of a Jet2 2* weekly NYC service. I've made many posts on this site on my views on NCL-NYC & an operation such as this gives me no great comfort. i) The timing to commence W07 at this stage gives little time for marketing, in particular inclusion in tour operators short break brochures. ii) 2x weekly is a bit of a 'cop out' & is neither one thing nor the other, zero use for business market & restrictive on others, as well as being a more difficult perception to market. iii) Actual demand for this type of non business service is questionable, presumably little prospect of much 'non NYC' traffic without agreement with a US carrier. iv) Having regard to the other points, then where is the profit? pricing is likely to be critical with need for constant high load factors & is there likely to be any freight contracts on such an occasional service ?
From other views I never gave GSM's LPL-NYC daily service any chance & really it is too easy to blame their recent troubles for it's collapse. I didn't see the demand & in reality neither did GSM which is presumably why they added NOC as an intermediate stop. So what is Jet2 to do when demand becomes thin, add LBA ?
Finally it has to be noted that the 'perceived' success of the forthcoming daily EK DXB is down to it's ability to attract onward traffic, a statistic that I recently saw quoted was as much as 70% going on to other destinations. So I leave one to consider had EK not done DXB & that this route had been available to Jet2 on a 2x weekly then would they have been so successful in filling it??
My point is simple success is about taking risks and NCL-NYC is an all or nothing operation by a US carrier. Proving demand is the key to this & unfortunately a limited operation by Jet2 may just serve to illustrate to potential suitors that demand is not there.
From other views I never gave GSM's LPL-NYC daily service any chance & really it is too easy to blame their recent troubles for it's collapse. I didn't see the demand & in reality neither did GSM which is presumably why they added NOC as an intermediate stop. So what is Jet2 to do when demand becomes thin, add LBA ?
Finally it has to be noted that the 'perceived' success of the forthcoming daily EK DXB is down to it's ability to attract onward traffic, a statistic that I recently saw quoted was as much as 70% going on to other destinations. So I leave one to consider had EK not done DXB & that this route had been available to Jet2 on a 2x weekly then would they have been so successful in filling it??
My point is simple success is about taking risks and NCL-NYC is an all or nothing operation by a US carrier. Proving demand is the key to this & unfortunately a limited operation by Jet2 may just serve to illustrate to potential suitors that demand is not there.
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Jet2 and NYC
While I agree with some of the above, comparing New York and DXB isn't comparing like with like - NYC is a far more popular destination in its own right. If my family and work colleagues are anything to go by there might well be the market for short breaks/shopping trips to NYC to sustain twice weekly as people get more adventurous and have 'done' the European short break destinations.
But hey, I'm not a professional alrline route planner and it isn't my money...
But hey, I'm not a professional alrline route planner and it isn't my money...
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Without attempting to start another OTP war here.
LS look to be having as much luck as GSM on shorthaul OTP at the moment - although both have improved recently.
I honestly feel (and it is my opinion only) that it would be madness on LS's behalf to march on into longhaul operations - in winter! at this present time especially on a twice a week service.
LS look to be having as much luck as GSM on shorthaul OTP at the moment - although both have improved recently.
I honestly feel (and it is my opinion only) that it would be madness on LS's behalf to march on into longhaul operations - in winter! at this present time especially on a twice a week service.
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totally agree - again jet2 fans dont attack but i believe jet2 are bottom or 2nd bottom of the OTP at NCL, and have had alot of delays lately (as do all airlines i no) personally i dont see them being ready to start long haul just yet.
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I think the disadvantages of a Jet2 NYC service are quite obvious. Sure a 2 x weekly service over the weekend will attract those eager to sample a break in NYC, but how long will the route be sustained with no chance of onward connections and very little appeal to business passengers, requiring maximum flexibility. Potentially it could put NCL gaining a US scheduled carrier on the route back by quite a few years.
Realistically speaking I would like to see, as do many other enthusiasts, passengers, airport workers and local businesses a real scheduled service started, with onward connections available therefore opening up a whole new route network for NCL. EK have started off a small trend IMHO, the route showing there is huge potential for connections westbound, now its time for northern passengers to be offered those opportunities eastbound (Hawaii!!!!).
NCL1 on the subject of delays, where did you get the information from on Jet2 being so low in the punctuality stakes at NCL? Virtually every over other airline (TOM, XLA, FJE, EZY) have had delays - is there a table to show who is where? On the plus side some airlines who started off badly seem to be improving. It would be nice if NCL could get 'most ontime UK airport' again.
Realistically speaking I would like to see, as do many other enthusiasts, passengers, airport workers and local businesses a real scheduled service started, with onward connections available therefore opening up a whole new route network for NCL. EK have started off a small trend IMHO, the route showing there is huge potential for connections westbound, now its time for northern passengers to be offered those opportunities eastbound (Hawaii!!!!).
NCL1 on the subject of delays, where did you get the information from on Jet2 being so low in the punctuality stakes at NCL? Virtually every over other airline (TOM, XLA, FJE, EZY) have had delays - is there a table to show who is where? On the plus side some airlines who started off badly seem to be improving. It would be nice if NCL could get 'most ontime UK airport' again.
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I agree, I think Jet2 needs to get OTP sorted before launching into a bit of long haul. At NCL every airlines tends to suffer a bad season, remember easyjet last year? they seem to be pretty sorted this year tho. Last year Jet2 was ok but his year they are pretty streched for aircraft cover, and I know they have relied on sub leased a/c and they have been let down (Altho this is at other bases) So i think they have been tought a lesson this year and I know they are aware of their OTP issues.
I was told (Very reliable inside Jet2 source) that EWR/JFK has been put back till at least May 08.... prob Nov 08 to be realisitic, due to probs with ETOPs certification, but its in the pipeline so its more a case of when and not if.
There is a very strong rumour regarding 2x 767s for Jet2, and most engineers are now 767 rated. Whether these will entre service or be sold on is a different story. Jet2 mentioned looking into some kind of premium service, so maybe that will tie in with long haul cos i dont see premium cabin on a Murcia really.
I was told (Very reliable inside Jet2 source) that EWR/JFK has been put back till at least May 08.... prob Nov 08 to be realisitic, due to probs with ETOPs certification, but its in the pipeline so its more a case of when and not if.
There is a very strong rumour regarding 2x 767s for Jet2, and most engineers are now 767 rated. Whether these will entre service or be sold on is a different story. Jet2 mentioned looking into some kind of premium service, so maybe that will tie in with long haul cos i dont see premium cabin on a Murcia really.
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Transwede The CAA punctuality stats are available on http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...id=12&fld=2007. You can download the full analysis.csv into excel then do a data sort on airport the airline & the facts are there, though whether they are damning insofar as Jet2 are concerned is for you to interpret.
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Nice to see so many people being negative about the possibility of Jet2 going to NYC. Lets all get a reality check here the best chance of New york Service is going to be from one of the LOCOs that are looking into long haul.
Cardiff are getting Zoom to JFK and I don't see any moans from them saying we would rather have DL, CO or AA maybe they are been realistic and realising they aint going to get them.
With open skies the big US legacy carriers are concentrating efforts getting slots at LHR, CDG, AMS etc and aint going to want the head ache of starting an untried route to places like NCL. The other thing to bear in mind is that in the case of CO and DL they are putting a load of effort into opening up routes to the far east and India.
A twice weekly service to EWR or JFK will probably work for the Leisure market I for one would use it as I have family in North Caroline and presently fly in JFK and then use Jetblue and a link from NCL to NYC would mean me not having to change at AMS or CDG which I currently do.
So lets be a bit positive about this folks and realise its possibly our best chance of getting a link to the big apple
Cardiff are getting Zoom to JFK and I don't see any moans from them saying we would rather have DL, CO or AA maybe they are been realistic and realising they aint going to get them.
With open skies the big US legacy carriers are concentrating efforts getting slots at LHR, CDG, AMS etc and aint going to want the head ache of starting an untried route to places like NCL. The other thing to bear in mind is that in the case of CO and DL they are putting a load of effort into opening up routes to the far east and India.
A twice weekly service to EWR or JFK will probably work for the Leisure market I for one would use it as I have family in North Caroline and presently fly in JFK and then use Jetblue and a link from NCL to NYC would mean me not having to change at AMS or CDG which I currently do.
So lets be a bit positive about this folks and realise its possibly our best chance of getting a link to the big apple
Absolutely agree with you, ncleflights.
While one of the big American carriers operating at least 5 weekly would be the preferred option, and it could be argued that any possible Jet2 service could damage the chances of this happening, I think that the big carriers are going to be looking at their options following Open Skies and further development from regional airports will go on the back burner.
While one of the big American carriers operating at least 5 weekly would be the preferred option, and it could be argued that any possible Jet2 service could damage the chances of this happening, I think that the big carriers are going to be looking at their options following Open Skies and further development from regional airports will go on the back burner.