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Old 18th Aug 2009, 07:07
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I'm guessing you're also the type that would never consider flying to Charleroi, Hahn, Girona
Correct. I'd go by train (Eurostar mainly) to the first two, and fly to Barcelona and train it to wherever concerning Girona.
Train to the real Frankfurt from London on Eurostar/ICE takes 8 hours, with changes at Brussels and Köln. Not much of an alternative to flying to Hahn really.
Eurostar to Brussels from London works, though.
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 07:25
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The people i feel sorry for are the pilots and their families, they are fast becoming nomadic, do they live in tents or caravans?

Not a huge loss to MAN Easy/Jet2/baby can fill any route gaps that are viable

Ever wondered why Ryanair don't fly from BFS? because the 3 above told the airport management they would walk if Ryanair came in!

I would love to see baby or Jet2 launch a DUB sevice from MAN, if i worked for either of them i would offer to work for free to operate those flights, in fact i would go one better and suggest that all uk/european airlines should take Ryanair on, on the DUB route, can you see the blood drain from MOL face if every airport in Europe suddenly started flying to Dublin hehe
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 07:51
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Where do people think the routes will be split then???

LBA - BGY
LBA - NRN
EMA - MRS
EMA - BRE
EMA - HHN
LPL - CRL
LPL - CAG

While closing SNN and GRO?

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Old 18th Aug 2009, 08:26
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Where do people think the routes will be split then???

LBA - BGY
LBA - NRN
EMA - MRS
EMA - BRE
EMA - HHN
LPL - CRL
LPL - CAG
Its rumoured that the current Liverpool to Milan, Shannon and Girona routes will have their frequencies increased.
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 08:26
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Good move by Ryanair. Shows they aren't scared to walk away and acts as a warning to other high cost airports. After the LBA announcement and O’Learys tone it was clear MAN was going to be made an example of, even if they offered Ł1 a passenger.

Publicity will have done wonders for bookings aswell yesterday and will be all over the papers today beside some nice 1 million seat sale ads.
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 09:46
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Actually, when FR were in discussion with BFS management, the other airlines had nothing to do with it. It was however to do with the fact that the handling agents were short sighted and didn't like the deal offered.
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I would love to see baby or Jet2 launch a DUB sevice from MAN, if i worked for either of them i would offer to work for free to operate those flights, in fact i would go one better and suggest that all uk/european airlines should take Ryanair on, on the DUB route, can you see the blood drain from MOL face if every airport in Europe suddenly started flying to Dublin hehe
1.) Get a life!

2.) Dub is only a piece of the jigsaw now....
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 12:12
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It was however to do with the fact that the handling agents were short sighted and didn't like the deal offered.
Funny how it's always someone else's fault when Mikey-the-Pikey doesn't get his way......

Still, there's some good news. Fewer Ryanair flights now clutter up Friedrichshafen airport - the Dublin flight now uses Memmingen. Or 'Munich West' as Ryanair laughingly call it - Munich is a mere 100 km to the east....
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 13:12
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Question if I may regarding this latest announcement...Why do airports charge per passenger? I can understand the handling agents doing so but not the airport. Would it not be fairer to charge an amount per aircraft, related to the size of the aircraft, so that those with better load factors are getting the better deal? 737 with half load costs more per pax than the same aircraft with near full load.
From the airport's point of view it doesn't cost them any more to have a full aircraft arrive/depart.
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I actually agree with you about it being tedious (oh sh1t!!)

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I find that offensive... Don't know why but probably because it sounds more of a stereotype than a direct reference to Michael O'Leary. But then again, I see where you're from and all becomes clear...
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It was however to do with the fact that the handling agents were short sighted and didn't like the deal offered.
Thank the Lord they didn't go to specsavers then!!
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They do. They also charge per passenger for pax throughput through the terminal. MAN is not the cheapest in the UK - nor the dearest. Charges are also made as part of the airline DOC's
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Ryanair starting Liverpool to Bremen thrice weekly from 2nd October (an ex Manchester route)and a Liverpool to Agadir service will commence on 29th October, not sure of frequency on latter route
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 14:56
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Ryanair are stating they are switching 9/10 of their destinations, however, by looking at this in detail, you can see this clearly has not been done as of yet unless you look with another airline which FR shouldnt be promoting. With Manchester loosing a number of FR routes, this is where they have been placed around the area...

Shannon - Unavailable from EMA, LBA, Available from LPL
Brussels - Unavailable from EMA, LPL or LBA
Bremen - Unavailable from EMA, LPL or LBA
Frankfurt - Unavailable from EMA, LPL or LBA, Available from BHX
Dusseldorf - Unavailable from EMA, LPL or LBA
Milan - Available from EMA, LPL
Marseillie - Unavailable from EMA, LPL or LBA
Girona - Available from EMA, LPL, and LBA
Cagliari - Unavailable from EMA, LPL or LBA (Olbia from LPL available)

EMA could easily handle -
Frankfurt
Dusseldorf
Bremen
Cagliari
(Closing the door on a possible Lufthansa introducing German routes in the future)
other routes i suggest for ema would be Marrakesh, Malta, Seville, Brest, Stockholm, Oslo, and Zadar


LPL could easily handle -
Brussels
Frankfurt
Dusseldorf
Marseillie

LBA could easily handle -
Shannon
Milan
Frankfurt

So there is a lot of possibilities for these routes to be shifted to other airports however will they do this?
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 15:17
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i dont understand this, they say they are making a good profit from manchester, then drop the routes???? i would rather eat my hat than fly from liverpool airport!!!! and ryanair if your dropping 9 routes, why dont yo take dublin as well, let a more decent airline take it over..... goodbye.
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 16:58
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i dont understand this, they say they are making a good profit from manchester, then drop the routes???? i would rather eat my hat than fly from liverpool airport!!!! and ryanair if your dropping 9 routes, why dont yo take dublin as well, let a more decent airline take it over..... goodbye.
They won't take Dublin 'cause that would give EI an upper hand for the crowds that go to matches and the large Irish contingent in Man. that travel to and fro.

Something tells me they've done their research on this one and either found people are willing to travel that extra bit to travel with Ryanair or the position of all three satellite airports will in effect serve a larger catchment area and at the same time give Ryanair a chance to get a dig at Man Airport Authorities. If that is the rationale I'm in admiration of Ryanair. Will be interesting to see how it unfolds...
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 17:11
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i dont understand this, they say they are making a good profit from manchester, then drop the routes???? i would rather eat my hat than fly from liverpool airport!!!! and ryanair if your dropping 9 routes, why dont yo take dublin as well, let a more decent airline take it over..... goodbye.
You had better start eating your hat cuz Mol wont let Manchester get the better of him.Not to let the cat out of the bag but Liverpool Long Range loco flight watch this space remember you heard it here first
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Old 18th Aug 2009, 17:15
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New:Liverpool, John Lennon (LPL) to Agadir, Almassira (AGA)
New:Liverpool, John Lennon (LPL) to Bremen (BRE)


the AIRDB
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What about the Liverpool-Bydgoszcz and the Rzeszow services? I can't see anything about them in the press release.
Does anyone know if these will be afftected....?
You're confused again because of more misunderstanding. Monday's press release related to routes out of Manchester airport.

Bydgoszcz currently operates twice weekly out of Liverpool and is currently scheduled to continue to do so through the winter. Rzeszów is being launched on October 27th and is also scheduled to operate twice weekly.

Any cutbacks on these routes could cause great inconvenience to literally several people......
Maybe another misunderstanding, having a look at June 2009, 2518 passengers made use of the Bydgoszcz route. As mentioned, Rzeszów hasn't launched yet.

They won't take Dublin 'cause that would give EI an upper hand for the crowds that go to matches and the large Irish contingent in Man. that travel to and fro.
Dublin - Manchester was their 4th largest route by passenger numbers for year ended March 31st 2009 and I'm fairly sure it was nicely profitable too! It won't be going anywhere in a hurry regardless of the state of relations at Manchester airport.

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New:Liverpool, John Lennon (LPL) to Agadir, Almassira (AGA)
New:Liverpool, John Lennon (LPL) to Bremen (BRE)


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Bremen starts on October 2nd so appears to directly takeover from Manchester's final flight on September 30th. Agadir starts October 29th.
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