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Im pretty sure , that what ever deal Fr have got to come to LBA, Ls will be looking to get equal or more favourable deal, People do have choice,thats the wonder of the internet
THere will be pax the will try Fr and love them others will hate them, Im not a fan, but can say i did have a fairly reasonable flight with Fr last month, wouldnt not recommend them as i hadnt got any complaints, not over keen on the mountain of charges, but you do have to keep your wits about you not to get caught out on them when booking, not saying Ls are any better that way , but do think you have better chance getting to or from your destination should there be a problem with ls rather than fr.
THere will be pax the will try Fr and love them others will hate them, Im not a fan, but can say i did have a fairly reasonable flight with Fr last month, wouldnt not recommend them as i hadnt got any complaints, not over keen on the mountain of charges, but you do have to keep your wits about you not to get caught out on them when booking, not saying Ls are any better that way , but do think you have better chance getting to or from your destination should there be a problem with ls rather than fr.
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I would have believed it would be more likely Ryanair to stuggle at LBA over LS as its Jet2's home base, they have been flying out of there for years and years and have served the area very well. Passengers are now comfortable with flying Jet2 and this is showing in the destinations they have expanded to, and are trusting Jet2 to fly to Greece, Cyrpus and also New York last year. Ryanair will find it difficult to gain customers from LS on similar routes as they have only been operating a very small hand full of flights from LBA, I say good luck to them, but also carry on the hard work LS!! If LS want to survive at LBA they had better get some thoughts for expansion, with the airport being expanded soonish, they will need to be thinking about this now and hopefully FR wont do that they did to WW at BHX by knocking them away by 3/4 aircraft!!
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Three weeks after Ryanair announce an expansion freeze in the UK due to the "suicidal" APD tax they announce an...er.....um.....expansion in the UK.....? 
Ryanair announced its decision to temporarily freeze all growth at its existing U.K. bases from June 16, 2009 onwards. Ryanair plans to review the freeze of U.K. bases at the end of 2009; any changes in the announced policy will be dependent upon the recovery of the U.K. economy, the status of the U.K.’s APD tourist tax and any other relevant factors (such as airport growth incentives).
Strange that it was on the front page of every newspaper when they announced they were cutting and running, yet ix_touring had to scour the internet to find an article telling us they were sneaking back in..... 
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It's a pity (in my opinion) that Ryanair's new Leeds base targets so many of Jet2's routes.
But I suppose all is fair in love and war and all that.
I wonder which were the other 2 UK airports that were in negotiations to become a base but lost out to Leeds.
But I suppose all is fair in love and war and all that.
I wonder which were the other 2 UK airports that were in negotiations to become a base but lost out to Leeds.
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I think the new aircraft which are going to be based at Leeds Bradford should bear the titles BYE BYE JET2!
Hopefully more of these titles will be used on other aircraft, particulary for BA!
Excellent news, every other airline is cutting back and stopping expansion. And Ryanair comes and opens a base! Very good if you live close to Leeds Bradford!
Hopefully more of these titles will be used on other aircraft, particulary for BA!
Excellent news, every other airline is cutting back and stopping expansion. And Ryanair comes and opens a base! Very good if you live close to Leeds Bradford!
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Passengers are now comfortable with flying Jet2 and this is showing in the destinations they have expanded to, and are trusting Jet2 to fly to Greece, Cyrpus and also New York last year.
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It's a pity (in my opinion) that Ryanair's new Leeds base targets so many of Jet2's routes.
But I suppose all is fair in love and war and all that.
But I suppose all is fair in love and war and all that.
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Ryanair will have no effect on Jet2, this has been proven already with Ryanair's LBA-GRO/ALC routes. Jet2's LBA-BCN/ALC has seen no dip in passenger figures average load factors averaging 90%, often Jet2 carrying more pax on a 733 than Ryanair taking on a 738.
I think it is more likely that MAN will suffer due to Ryanair increasing the amount of options available at LBA. Interesting to see that Ryanair currently have no services on sale from either Doncaster or Teeside after October 2009. I fear these two may be the big loosers in the Ryanair base at Leeds.
I think it is more likely that MAN will suffer due to Ryanair increasing the amount of options available at LBA. Interesting to see that Ryanair currently have no services on sale from either Doncaster or Teeside after October 2009. I fear these two may be the big loosers in the Ryanair base at Leeds.
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I don't think that Jet2 have been carrying more on the BCN than FR on the GRO, the Ryanair loads on the GRO have been fantastic, nearly always 170+.
It's great news that FR are moving into LBA, will be interesting to see what happens with Jet2, they have cut back quite massively this winter and FR are obviously trying to capitalise!
It's great news that FR are moving into LBA, will be interesting to see what happens with Jet2, they have cut back quite massively this winter and FR are obviously trying to capitalise!
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I think it is more likely that MAN will suffer due to Ryanair increasing the amount of options available at LBA. Interesting to see that Ryanair currently have no services on sale from either Doncaster or Teeside after October 2009. I fear these two may be the big loosers in the Ryanair base at Leeds.
Thats about right...The DSA and MME cancellations were announced months ago. DUB has also gone yet could have been served from all three if economically viable.
The DSA and MME cancellations were announced months ago
Todays announcement could be a huge blow for Peels two struggling airports, its hard to see which other airlines there could be to start a base up at either now.
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MAN - an airport over 1 hour by road from LBA will suffer MORE than Jet2's routes from the SAME airport?!Thats about right...
Thats about right...
Jet2 has a revised flying programme for next summer, yes Ryanair have a competitive advantage price wise but can 2 FR 737's really compete with 12 LS aircraft? Quite simply no they can't. As stated already Ryanair's measly 3 flights a week to Alicante has had no effect on Jet2's 14 flights a week. The two will compete fiercely but the airport has the catchment and finally the operator to grow and take passengers away from MAN.
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Jet2 are a local airline flying some of the oldest B737s in the UK relying on their home base for a lot of their profitablily I'm sure. Ryanair are looking for homes for more B737-800s still at Boeing Field. So far so good.
Given the choice between Ryanair and Jet2 on the same route most will go with the cheapest. Loyalty often disappears where money is involved. Hence I am sure the opportunity is there to build the Ryanair presence up. Past history shows that the opposition is either trampled to death or dented badly and stabilises at a lower level of activity with a loyal following.
My money would be on Ryanair to try and kill Jet2 over time. Why? Because they can. Dart Group won't support losses over a long period at the airline in a cut throat trading environment with the most ruthless airline moving into their home turf. They're not coming to LBA to share, they're coming create a market and add Jet2s passengers to it.
Yes, very much so. Route by route until two becomes three becomes four....
Given the choice between Ryanair and Jet2 on the same route most will go with the cheapest. Loyalty often disappears where money is involved. Hence I am sure the opportunity is there to build the Ryanair presence up. Past history shows that the opposition is either trampled to death or dented badly and stabilises at a lower level of activity with a loyal following.
My money would be on Ryanair to try and kill Jet2 over time. Why? Because they can. Dart Group won't support losses over a long period at the airline in a cut throat trading environment with the most ruthless airline moving into their home turf. They're not coming to LBA to share, they're coming create a market and add Jet2s passengers to it.
but can 2 FR 737's really compete with 12 LS aircraft?
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Skipness - music to my ears!
At least someone is thinking in real terms. Ryanair won't just put 2 aircraft in a major UK city. They will take Jet2 down bit by bit by bit until they have little left. The only airline in the UK that has the capabilities of withstanding the effects of Ryanair (so far!) is easyJet. Say Ryanair doesn't reduce Jet2's presence - it will certainly reduce average fares on competing routes and just look at what fares Jet2 have been charging this summer to AGP etc. - they won't be around like that next year!
As Skipness says, 2 will become 3 and then 4 and then who knows.
LBA: Ryanair add 1134 seats per week
MAN: XL disappear and the four largest charter carriers merge to become two. Add to that the massive increase in Egypt and Turkey from MAN opposed to ALC. Quite a stupid comparison to be perfectly honest. Until you can produce figures saying MAN is losing out to LBA (which I am sure a report a few months ago gave a ridiculously high figure of people travelling from Leeds area to MAN) then really it is a poor claim to make.
LPL has had some effect on MAN due to BOTH Ryanair and easyJet accounting for (I think) 16 based aircraft. There is a difference.
I do like Jet2 as an airline and I think they have done masses for the North, especially for my home airport at Blackpool but when it comes to the crunch - Ryanair are simply too big and if they set their sights on a carrier then they will bring them to their knees because they can undercut on prices and STILL make a profit. The destinations chosen do seem to show that they don't plan to live in harmony.
At least someone is thinking in real terms. Ryanair won't just put 2 aircraft in a major UK city. They will take Jet2 down bit by bit by bit until they have little left. The only airline in the UK that has the capabilities of withstanding the effects of Ryanair (so far!) is easyJet. Say Ryanair doesn't reduce Jet2's presence - it will certainly reduce average fares on competing routes and just look at what fares Jet2 have been charging this summer to AGP etc. - they won't be around like that next year!
As Skipness says, 2 will become 3 and then 4 and then who knows.
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MAN-ALC down 28% in june, LBA-ALC up 15%
MAN: XL disappear and the four largest charter carriers merge to become two. Add to that the massive increase in Egypt and Turkey from MAN opposed to ALC. Quite a stupid comparison to be perfectly honest. Until you can produce figures saying MAN is losing out to LBA (which I am sure a report a few months ago gave a ridiculously high figure of people travelling from Leeds area to MAN) then really it is a poor claim to make.
LPL has had some effect on MAN due to BOTH Ryanair and easyJet accounting for (I think) 16 based aircraft. There is a difference.
I do like Jet2 as an airline and I think they have done masses for the North, especially for my home airport at Blackpool but when it comes to the crunch - Ryanair are simply too big and if they set their sights on a carrier then they will bring them to their knees because they can undercut on prices and STILL make a profit. The destinations chosen do seem to show that they don't plan to live in harmony.
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[QUOTE] POSTED BY FUTURE CC
I think the new aircraft which are going to be based at Leeds Bradford should bear the titles BYE BYE JET2!
Hopefully more of these titles will be used on other aircraft, particulary for BA!
Excellent news, every other airline is cutting back and stopping expansion. And Ryanair comes and opens a base! Very good if you live close to Leeds Bradford![QUOTE]
Your lack of maturity is really starting to piss me off. Ryanair is not the be all and end all of life. It is a company that thousands work for, end of story. Why dont you go to the cabin crew forum and ask people what its really like to work from FR? Listen to the 12-14 hour day stories with no break and then come back and tell us what a great company they are.
I think the new aircraft which are going to be based at Leeds Bradford should bear the titles BYE BYE JET2!
Hopefully more of these titles will be used on other aircraft, particulary for BA!
Excellent news, every other airline is cutting back and stopping expansion. And Ryanair comes and opens a base! Very good if you live close to Leeds Bradford![QUOTE]
Your lack of maturity is really starting to piss me off. Ryanair is not the be all and end all of life. It is a company that thousands work for, end of story. Why dont you go to the cabin crew forum and ask people what its really like to work from FR? Listen to the 12-14 hour day stories with no break and then come back and tell us what a great company they are.
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Hey schoolboy, and I DO mean schoolboy. BA is the benchmark for terms and conditions for the UK market, if they go, thousands of good honest people lose their jobs and the rest of the industry is the poorer for it as the mass scramble for the few jobs going leaves a lot of experienced crew out of work.
If Jet2 go down, then thousands of hours of work to build up a viable local based airline are gone.
Now your school careers office may be so bad that your stated ambition in life is to work as a trolley dolley for Ryanair, coming home to base every night, but that is the lowest of the low. Just because you lack the skills to aim even a little higher than that, is no reason to wish to see other good companies fail and people's careers be destroyed.
I ask you seriously now to think before you open your gob because you are just an embarrasment at the minute. ( unless you really are a troll in which case you're just wierd )
I think the new aircraft which are going to be based at Leeds Bradford should bear the titles BYE BYE JET2!
Hopefully more of these titles will be used on other aircraft, particulary for BA!
Hopefully more of these titles will be used on other aircraft, particulary for BA!
If Jet2 go down, then thousands of hours of work to build up a viable local based airline are gone.
Now your school careers office may be so bad that your stated ambition in life is to work as a trolley dolley for Ryanair, coming home to base every night, but that is the lowest of the low. Just because you lack the skills to aim even a little higher than that, is no reason to wish to see other good companies fail and people's careers be destroyed.
I ask you seriously now to think before you open your gob because you are just an embarrasment at the minute. ( unless you really are a troll in which case you're just wierd )
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'BA is the benchmark for terms and conditions for the UK market, if they go, thousands of good honest people lose their jobs and the rest of the industry is the poorer for it as the mass scramble for the few jobs going leaves a lot of experienced crew out of work'
That's the endgame I think...do you see any other ultimate outcome? There is no brand loyalty in flying now, only cost.
That's the endgame I think...do you see any other ultimate outcome? There is no brand loyalty in flying now, only cost.