Ryanair - 6

[Skipness One Echo]

and that nobody comes back after they have flown there first flights.

I don't think anyone said that, I said that after something goes wrong and there is no assistance, people are lost. Ref MOLs famous and honest point on "you paid peanuts" so if you want a hotel and food you can er....go elsewhere.

Certainly says that quite a high percentage must be coming back! Otherwise Ryanair would of ran out of European's a long time ago!

No that's not the case as they are expanding into new markets all the time. There is a whole lot of Europe that Ryanair will be succesful in yet. My point which you haven't tried to understand, and I urge you to read before you post, is that in mature markets, my example was the UK and Ireland, Ryanair are moving aircraft and routes elsewhere where they can get good introductory rates and create a loco market.

I like, the good service, modern aircraft, friendly crew, comfortable seat, and of course the unbeatable price.

I give you price and aircraft I agree with but the seats are OK on a short sector for an average bloke, so I'm happy. The cabin crew often struggle to speak English and are on peanuts for wages. The only time I saw an aircraft's passengers laugh at the cabin crew safety demo was on a UK domestic with Ryanair when not one of the crew spoke passable English. They were actually jeered.

Ryanair can't be faulted, and a lot of people here know that...

That's just silly. There are numerous instances in this thread where Ryanair have been at fault. This is true of any business but to say they are faultless is just laughably naive. Really.

Ryanair does care about it's image, as if it didn't they would not be here now.

The CEO is a chap called Michael O'Leary and if you knew anything about him you knew he doesn't care what the detractors think and that there's no such thing as bad publicity. He enjoys baiting people.

every single airport they go to, soaring growth in passengers, revenue, and in local and national economies.

Rubbish. Dublin, Shannon, Prestwick to name three. It is of course all the fault of the airports who were keen that Ryanair paid to use their facilities. Bad practice allowing your customers to use stuff for free, the benefits appear to have been overstated.

The model works, has worked since the start, works now, and will work forever.

Are you sure you're 17? Work forever? Come on. Juan Trippe thought Pan Am would be here forever. Don Burr thought the same at PeopleExpress. Lord King would not have thought that BA would end up in such a mess. Utter hubris.

you want the best value and comfort. And Ryanair has got the balance perfect.

Comfort? Seriously?

The (so called) World's Favourite Airline - explain the falling passenger numbers.

BA haven't used that tag line since you were nine years old. All legacy carriers are experiencing massive drops in revenue as businesses and consumers cut back on spending. Ryanair are growing as they are charging less and less in the initial cost and making the revenue up in ancillary charges. They are also moving into markets with weak opposition.

Ryanair are a class outfit at what they do but what you are saying above is just palpaby wrong.

[FutureCC]

I was referring to the risks of expanding to fast, and collapsing - I read about PeopleExpress and made my judgement on comparison.

Comfort, yes!!! No problems with the seats on-board.

And yes, I am 17! I hope that wasn't a patronizing remark...

[airbourne]

Having looked at Future CC comments on the EI thread and now here, me thinks he is one of 2 people. Someone a lot older than 17 that just wants to start and argument or indeed a 17 year old with no understanding of the business and lofty ideals based on what he has seen in the newspapers or history books. I am not attacking the poster, but cmon, how much more of this drivel do we have to listen to. PPrune Pops warning on the EI thread has yet to calm him down.

[airbusdiva]

Ryanair to announce big plans for Leeds

Ryanair are about to release their plans for a big expansion at LBA, seems like they are going to try and take advantage of Jet2's big cut back this winter !

[toledoashley]

Do we have anything more concrete to say that LBA is to be a base. Shame for Doncaster if it is as I am sure they would have loved to have a new based airline.

[mickyman]

ASFKAP

Nearly all of your posts are negative against this airline - why?

Is it right that someone (you) should be allowed to write such
derogatory stuff without being challenged ?
You have a right to state things as you see them but to infer
as you do often -through blanket statements - misinterpreting
official documents - personel attacks - is not on.You have posted
on a semi-public forum so should expect people to possibly not
agree with you.If your argument doesnt stand up to scutiny then
something must be wrong.

I am again wondering if your vitriol is anything to do with the fact that you are an Ex employee??

MM

[EXS258]

Thats what i was wondering. its not normally like Ryanair to do a u-turn on occasions like this. Although it would be good to see more of Ryanair at LBA.

[pwalhx]

Ryanair have said they are looking at 1 of 3 airports in the UK as a base in the next couple of weeks I believe it was said.

Interesting no mention at all on the Leeds thread of FR, which you would expect if the alleged rumour is true. Also I is there room to base more aircraft at LBA right now? I am not sure but could be wrong.

Or is it a fishing trip to get someone to say ' oh not their not they are going to open in ......?'

[EXS258]

I think there would be room for maybe one RYR ac to be based there. But there maybe a problem on a night because im pretty sure Jet2 take up most of the main apron and remote parking? i could be wrong though.

[HOODED]

There are currently 24 stands at LBA. I can only recall the following night stopping: 7 x EXS 733, 4 x EXS 752, 1 x KLM F70/100, 1 x BMIR EMB145, 1 x EZE J41. This makes 14 stands occupied, I'm sure Ive missed something here as it always looks packed at night when I go past. Even so I'm sure there are not 10 I've missed so there should be some space. FlyBE look like they're basing a Dash 8 for the LGW soon so that will reduce spare capacity by 1.

I find it hard to believe however, as Jet2 have most popular routes well covered and RYR have been complaining about wanting to do more ex LBA but can't as the costs are too high! Nothing new there then!

[pug]

As the LBA schedules have returned for the winter could this possibly rule LBA out? Far as im aware, DSA and MME are not on sale yet (though MME do not have winter flights with FR anymore) so could the new base be DSA or MME? Perhaps they are to ammend the schedules when the decision is made hence not putting those on sale yet?

Would DSA be too close to its EMA operations to risk saturating their ow market?

They say one of the airports they are in talks with is not currently served by FR, who may that be?

[HOODED]

Both DSA and MME would make sense as RYR want cheap to operate and both airports are desperate for more trafic at the moment, my guess is both of these are more likley than LBA! Peel have one good airport at the moment in LPL, last I heard both DSA and MME were loosing money.

[MUFC_fan]

Manchester:

• 21st largest international airport in the world
• 20 million people per annum
• Not slot restricted
• HUGE catchment area
• Growing city
• Already quite profitable for Ryanair
• Great access to runway (if moved to T3)
• Omitted from Ryanair's "Will shall no expand at these UK airports" rant

Its only a matter of time...

Also, I'm sure FR are pulling out of DSA and MME this winter? Please correct me if I am wrong...

[pug]

I feel as though Peel may be able to push a good deal though we dont know how much financial aid they would be prepared to throw at these airports due to their big losses. The only thing is that the routes from MME and DSA have apparently been marginal at best, particularly the DUB routes.

Could MAN not be a possibility?

[aidoair]

There are currently 24 stands at LBA. I can only recall the following night stopping: 7 x EXS 733, 4 x EXS 752, 1 x KLM F70/100, 1 x BMIR EMB145, 1 x EZE J41. This makes 14 stands occupied, I'm sure Ive missed something here as it always looks packed at night when I go past. Even so I'm sure there are not 10 I've missed so there should be some space. FlyBE look like they're basing a Dash 8 for the LGW soon so that will reduce spare

That list is correct however there is usually 8 LS 737's overnight plus the the TCX A320 over the summer, not that it makes really any difference to the availability of spare stands though

[mickyman]

ASFKAP

You try and make out that Ryanair is a troubled
airline that nobody likes - I quote the fact it has
seen growth year on year and continues to do so
even in a recession so millions must like them.
You try and justify your stance by taking a document
from this airlines website and presenting it as a
'factual' piece of writing when it was clearly discussing
scenarios that every airline has to consider.
You question the airlines finances and fleet aquisitions
when they have just secured more finance for more
aircraft - from banks who are always reckless in there
lending!
You ARE an Ex employee of the airline so I think it is
legitimate of me to pose the question about your
motivations
You may not like the airline but it doesnt give you the
right to write stuff that is plainly untrue like the above.
I think that you fail to grasp the concept of a low-cost
airline and so struggle interpreting Ryanair ways.
This is different to Easyjets and for that matter Southwests.
You can keep the legacy carriers flying for yourself.

MM

[Skipness One Echo]

I'm not an ex employee and I gave a point by point rebuttal to your last post. It's hard not to patronise someone who at 17 attempts to come across as the font of all knowledge claiming that all things in Ryanair are perfect. When someone points out the inconsistencies in your position then by all means come back with an answer based on information, history or your knowledge.

You have yet to do so. MM is allowing himself to take this personally and is now in a slanging match with ASFKAP. I urge you to stick to the thread and post on happenings and goings on rather than schoolboy insults please.

As to the next base, I have the nagging feeling it may actually be a presence at Gatwick as the temptation to stick the knife in Aer Lingus may prove to be too much. The fact that the airfield is massively slot constrained won't help but the option to rain on the shamrock parade is a compelling one.

[LGW_08R]

Skipness,

I also think that the "next" UK base for Ryanair will be Gatwick. When have Ryanair ever allowed Lingus to get comfortable in a particular market. Since Lingus started Gatwick hub, we have seen Ryanair show more interest to Gatwick launch Alicante, Barcelona, Madrid, Marseille. I think Weeze came before EI announced Gatwick, but it soon went too.

It also seems that most other main Low Cost carriers have bases at Gatwick, easy, Flybe, Aer Lingus...Only seems logical that Ryanair would want in on that too.

[EI-BUD]

LGW_08R; you make some valid points here about Ryanair and LGW, however, I think Ryanair will be quite comfortable with Easyjets efforts to keep Aer Lingus in a Corner!

However, I can see that Ryanair will do a Knock style approach to Aer Lingus on markets where they compete, eg Gatwick Eindhoven, I can see Ryanair increasing frequency and lowering fares on Stansted Eindhoven to ensure Aer Lingus suffer for loads and yield. They may have increased frequency already but I am not sure.

[mickyman]

Skipness

Thanks for your concern but I can assure you
that I am not taking anything ASFKAP says,
personally.
Whilst it may seem heated sometimes its harmless
stuff at the end of the day.We are poles apart
in our stances and theres nothing wrong with
having a lively debate.

MM