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TRSS, I would certainly hope that the 737-800 has benefited from 40 years of aerospace development since the Conway-engined aircraft of the 1960s.....
£10 is a completely unrealistic figure for an air fare.
All Panorama did was to generate another excuse for that tawdry airline to grab more publicity. A shame that the interviewer was so poor.
As for European LoCos, I was once an enthusiastic passenger with Buzz. Their model was the acceptable face of a LoCo, as was GO!'s. But the wooden-headed, wooden-footed people at KLM killed Buzz off just as it was about to open a second hub. GO! was too successful for ba's liking as it was taking their passengers.
Buzz, of course, flew from Stansted to 'real' Frankfurt, not some ex-military base 115 km away in the Mosel pretending to be somewhere near Frankfurt.
I was stuck in solid traffic on the A61 Autobahn last Sunday and noticed the 'Hahn Express' also stuck. I wonder whether the outbound flight bothered to wait for the passengers.....??
Why do people hate Ryanair? They don't - they just detest that smug little so-and-so with all his arrogant BS. Did you hear him say how Ryanair had 'the best customer service'.........??
A few more airports with the resolve of Manchester and Malmö might restore reality.
£10 is a completely unrealistic figure for an air fare.
All Panorama did was to generate another excuse for that tawdry airline to grab more publicity. A shame that the interviewer was so poor.
As for European LoCos, I was once an enthusiastic passenger with Buzz. Their model was the acceptable face of a LoCo, as was GO!'s. But the wooden-headed, wooden-footed people at KLM killed Buzz off just as it was about to open a second hub. GO! was too successful for ba's liking as it was taking their passengers.
Buzz, of course, flew from Stansted to 'real' Frankfurt, not some ex-military base 115 km away in the Mosel pretending to be somewhere near Frankfurt.
I was stuck in solid traffic on the A61 Autobahn last Sunday and noticed the 'Hahn Express' also stuck. I wonder whether the outbound flight bothered to wait for the passengers.....??
Why do people hate Ryanair? They don't - they just detest that smug little so-and-so with all his arrogant BS. Did you hear him say how Ryanair had 'the best customer service'.........??
A few more airports with the resolve of Manchester and Malmö might restore reality.
Falcon666, yes, that's what I've been told.
I don't know whether it's true, but there was a story in the aviation press that some Boeing bigwig rang Ryanair to congratulate Mikey-the-Pikey on his idea to charge people to use the lavatory. Boeing would be entirely happy to design and fit a certified system to accommodate this.....at a cost of £50000 per door per aircraft.
It went rather quiet at the Irish end of the line....
If people prostitute themselves by flying Ryanair and then have to fork out £500 to get home on a real airline when they get dumped by Ryanair and told to rebook for a flight in 4 days time, they only have themselves to blame for encouraging Ryanair to get away with their woeful attitude towards delayed customers. To my mind, the type of person who thinks that a 1p ticket to fly to Europe is the same type of person who buys counterfeit DVDs at a car boot sale. If the price is too good to be true, then it probably is.
The only thing I do agree with, though, is the rigid check-in time requirement. At least their aircraft aren't delayed when a bunch of drunken oiks stays in the airport bar too long.
I don't know whether it's true, but there was a story in the aviation press that some Boeing bigwig rang Ryanair to congratulate Mikey-the-Pikey on his idea to charge people to use the lavatory. Boeing would be entirely happy to design and fit a certified system to accommodate this.....at a cost of £50000 per door per aircraft.
It went rather quiet at the Irish end of the line....
If people prostitute themselves by flying Ryanair and then have to fork out £500 to get home on a real airline when they get dumped by Ryanair and told to rebook for a flight in 4 days time, they only have themselves to blame for encouraging Ryanair to get away with their woeful attitude towards delayed customers. To my mind, the type of person who thinks that a 1p ticket to fly to Europe is the same type of person who buys counterfeit DVDs at a car boot sale. If the price is too good to be true, then it probably is.
The only thing I do agree with, though, is the rigid check-in time requirement. At least their aircraft aren't delayed when a bunch of drunken oiks stays in the airport bar too long.
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I can't see a Ryanair plane wait for other passengers that are arriving late on another flight. Plus allowing connections wouldn't give Ryanair the same flexibility to just change schedules and flight times everytime it suits their needs. It's just too complicated for their operational system.
Pee has mentioned Finland, let's consider Tampere. An ideal solution to give a boost to such kind of travelling would be to have a daily flight to, say, HHN in the morning with a return flight therefrom as late as possible. There is no base in Tampere, how to achieve it? Well, here is an example, using a 'triangle' concept:
daily flights:
6:30 NYO - 8:30 TMP (originating NYO)
8:55 TMP - 10:25 HHN
(all flights from 12:00 onwards avaliable for Finns)
10:50 HHN - 12:45 NYO (back to NYO base)
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17:05 NYO - 19:05 HHN
19:30 HHN - 23:00 TMP
(Finns arriving at HHN before 6 PM could return home)
23:25 TMP - 23:25 NYO
By using triangles one can create kind of "feeding" flights reflecting the prevailing direction of travel (morning/evening). Also possible: day trips (like in the example above for Swedes to Tampere).
And of course, TMP is only given as an example here. Generally it is more important to have flights from small airports to centrally located bases in the morning with an opposite trend in the evening.
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racedo, your rhetoric would be best confined to Jet Blast.
eu01, is there something about the Mosel that appeals to Finns to such an extent that a daily flight to not-Frankfurt (Hahn) would be particularly popular?
If you want to fly from Tampere to Frankfurt, there's always the Air Baltic service via Riga.
eu01, is there something about the Mosel that appeals to Finns to such an extent that a daily flight to not-Frankfurt (Hahn) would be particularly popular?
If you want to fly from Tampere to Frankfurt, there's always the Air Baltic service via Riga.
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Don't know about Finnish people travelling to Frankfurt, you can ask one of them here.
Concerning Hahn (not Frankfurt at all), this airport could be the low-cost equivalent of FRA for people brave enough to effectuate the connections between two separate lo-co flights. I've discussed some preconditions needed to faciliate that.
Don't know about Finnish people travelling to Frankfurt, you can ask one of them here.
Concerning Hahn (not Frankfurt at all), this airport could be the low-cost equivalent of FRA for people brave enough to effectuate the connections between two separate lo-co flights. I've discussed some preconditions needed to faciliate that.
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BEagle - With over 15,000 posts on PPRuNe, you must be the eminence grise of our Network. I therefore respect your point of view. However, eu01 has a point. Air travel has changed a lot since 2002. Our expectations and behaviour have too, as the type of service on offer has changed.
In the old days, an 'excursion return' fare was much cheaper than two singles, but required the pax to stay a Saturday night. People therefore moulded their behaviour so as to return from the same airport on the same airline and stay a Saturday night. You don't need to do that now. Instead, those who can do so mould their behaviour to avoid Fri/Sun evening travel and to take hand luggage only.
The fact that Hahn is miles from Frankfurt does not matter if they call it Hahn. It's only silly because Ryanair has called it Frankfurt. I recently flew to Torp. Not Oslo. Torp. I was going to the Norwegian town of Tonsberg. I flew to Torp because it is near Tonsberg. I didn't fly to Oslo because it is miles from Tonsberg. And because of the lo-cos, people can now choose to visit the Mosel region without having to go to Frankfurt.
Rome is, of course, the exception, with lo-cos using Ciampino (10 miles from the city) rather than Fiumicino (23 miles).
On the subject of transfers, I think a lot of people do it already. I do, anyway. I go into it with my eyes open, and fully realise that should I miss a connection, then an alternative flight is going to be quite expensive. That is a gamble I'm willing to take, and so far I've not had a problem.
In the old days, an 'excursion return' fare was much cheaper than two singles, but required the pax to stay a Saturday night. People therefore moulded their behaviour so as to return from the same airport on the same airline and stay a Saturday night. You don't need to do that now. Instead, those who can do so mould their behaviour to avoid Fri/Sun evening travel and to take hand luggage only.
The fact that Hahn is miles from Frankfurt does not matter if they call it Hahn. It's only silly because Ryanair has called it Frankfurt. I recently flew to Torp. Not Oslo. Torp. I was going to the Norwegian town of Tonsberg. I flew to Torp because it is near Tonsberg. I didn't fly to Oslo because it is miles from Tonsberg. And because of the lo-cos, people can now choose to visit the Mosel region without having to go to Frankfurt.
Rome is, of course, the exception, with lo-cos using Ciampino (10 miles from the city) rather than Fiumicino (23 miles).
On the subject of transfers, I think a lot of people do it already. I do, anyway. I go into it with my eyes open, and fully realise that should I miss a connection, then an alternative flight is going to be quite expensive. That is a gamble I'm willing to take, and so far I've not had a problem.
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Racedo . You should confine your comments to puffing up ryanair! Racy stuff. I suspect your knowlege of your latest subject is rather limited. Might even get you banned again it not reined in?
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I often transfer from one airline to another, usually low cost operators, and have never had a problem. The nearest we ever had to missing our connection was when travelling to Palma via Madrid. The EasyJet flight was 5 hours delayed due to snow at Madrid. On arriving our baggage was delivered to the wrong hall and we all en masse trouped over to the other baggage hall, with no help or direction from anyone at Madrid airport. Our Ryanair flight to Palma was now about leave but the Ryanair check in crew were brilliant. The flight actually was closed but they arranged to take our luggage, etc and we dashed to the gate where we able to board. Our luggage arrived in Palma although for the second time not at the carousel announced. Ryanair were the best and I would use them anytime. Spending a lot of time in Majorca I meet people from all over Europe and I often ask who they flew with. The vast majority are more than pleased with the airline they came with. Older aircraft with Jet2 is never mentioned, newer aircraft with Ryanair is never mentioned. EasyJet, Jet2, Air Berlin, and Ryanair are all highly regarded.
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I have just spoke to my insider at Ryanair STN...
NEW summer 2010 routes - one near Russia one in Croatia one in Bulgaria.
He/She couldnt say the Airports as they are just about to sign the deal.
Also Ryanair are mulling self handling at STN due to the state of Swissport
and the lack of money they have in the bank and the prospect of Swissport laying off another 100 staff (allegedly).
NEW summer 2010 routes - one near Russia one in Croatia one in Bulgaria.
He/She couldnt say the Airports as they are just about to sign the deal.
Also Ryanair are mulling self handling at STN due to the state of Swissport
and the lack of money they have in the bank and the prospect of Swissport laying off another 100 staff (allegedly).
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Zagreb airport’s new director Tonci Peovic has decided to cut the price of airport services.
Peovic’s plan is to attract more discount airlines. He has already talked with EasyJet and Ryanair representatives and expects they will have ten new flights to Zagreb.
Peovic said: "Clearly, we should be careful not to lower our income through new, lower prices, but we should also encourage discount airlines by sharing with them the risk of new flights. But, at the same time, we should be careful not to harm airlines with which we have been cooperating for years."
Peovic has promised the new prices will be transparent and non-discriminatory.
Peovic’s plan is to attract more discount airlines. He has already talked with EasyJet and Ryanair representatives and expects they will have ten new flights to Zagreb.
Peovic said: "Clearly, we should be careful not to lower our income through new, lower prices, but we should also encourage discount airlines by sharing with them the risk of new flights. But, at the same time, we should be careful not to harm airlines with which we have been cooperating for years."
Peovic has promised the new prices will be transparent and non-discriminatory.
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Zagreb Flights
Do not forget Wizzair operate a successful three time weekly winter and four times weekly summer service to Luton from Zagreb and they and Ryanair don´t seem to tread on each other´s feet too much!
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Zagreb
Well, FR could think of ZAG to STN or other UK destinations in the first place. Besides, much shorter route could also be perfect. E.g., according to Wikipedia, "in 2007 in Germany lived 225,309 Croatian citizens. According to data from church institutions there are about 310,000 to 350,000 Croatians living in Germany".
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