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FR @ BHX
FR thread on page 2 of A, A & R!!!
Anyway since the last post two more BHX routes are no longer bookable for winter. Billund from Sat 14/11/09 and BZG fro Fri 23/10/09.
That makes 19 routes gone out of 39 started (40 with Knock years ago).
Some might just have disappeared for time changes but time will tell.
The roll of honour this winter as it stands today: -
BLG, BLL, BZG, HHN, OLB, TRF, PGF, PIS, OPO, REU, NYO, TPS, TRS
MRS, PMI. Previous cancellations DNR, SZZ, FRL & CUF.
At least eight of those operated last winter or were not intended to
be seasonal.
Pete
Anyway since the last post two more BHX routes are no longer bookable for winter. Billund from Sat 14/11/09 and BZG fro Fri 23/10/09.
That makes 19 routes gone out of 39 started (40 with Knock years ago).
Some might just have disappeared for time changes but time will tell.
The roll of honour this winter as it stands today: -
BLG, BLL, BZG, HHN, OLB, TRF, PGF, PIS, OPO, REU, NYO, TPS, TRS
MRS, PMI. Previous cancellations DNR, SZZ, FRL & CUF.
At least eight of those operated last winter or were not intended to
be seasonal.
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Ryanair seem to be carrying out their stated intension
of withdrawing marginal services from the U.K to concentrate on
European mainland expansion - chasing the Euro instead of the
pound.
Maybe English (regional)airports will now get the chance to
expand services at their own pace & cost by attracting 'hand
-picked airlines to start routes,with the added bonus of 'hand-picked'
passengers to boot!
Watch-out LBA......
I know one or two people on here will be overjoyed to see this
happen.
MM
of withdrawing marginal services from the U.K to concentrate on
European mainland expansion - chasing the Euro instead of the
pound.
Maybe English (regional)airports will now get the chance to
expand services at their own pace & cost by attracting 'hand
-picked airlines to start routes,with the added bonus of 'hand-picked'
passengers to boot!
Watch-out LBA......
I know one or two people on here will be overjoyed to see this
happen.
MM
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Mickeyman,
Ryanair seem to have expanded on routes that are not sustainable unless the seats are virtually given away.
Which is, I think part of the problem. Ryanair are just not such good value anymore, here's my recent experience.
I travel to northern Sweden (Umea and Vilhelmina) which requires a change at Arlanda.
For a few years I took a RYR flight from STN to either of their "Stockholm" airports and put up with the hassle of having to get across the city becasue they were so cheap, in fact quite ofton the parking at Stansted cost more than the flight!
When Sterling operated out of EMA I used them as I'm on the doorstep and the time saving was massive even if the fare was more.
These days I use KLM out of BHX via AMS, usually the price is about the same as RYR when booked a week or two in advance, but the advantage is that I get to a hub for connecting flights and probably feel a little less like part of a cattle herd.
I've also just booked for two of us RTN to Malaga, RYR air fare 53.00, EZY 80.00, however the eventual price saw EZY come out 40.00 cheaper!
I'm not anti RYR, in all my years using them all I've ever had is one cancelled flight, so I have never had any real problem at all with them, however, unless you can avoid all their extras, which these days is quite ofton impossible, their bottom line cost bears no relation at all to the actual air fare and other alternatives become more attractive.
Ryanair seem to have expanded on routes that are not sustainable unless the seats are virtually given away.
Which is, I think part of the problem. Ryanair are just not such good value anymore, here's my recent experience.
I travel to northern Sweden (Umea and Vilhelmina) which requires a change at Arlanda.
For a few years I took a RYR flight from STN to either of their "Stockholm" airports and put up with the hassle of having to get across the city becasue they were so cheap, in fact quite ofton the parking at Stansted cost more than the flight!
When Sterling operated out of EMA I used them as I'm on the doorstep and the time saving was massive even if the fare was more.
These days I use KLM out of BHX via AMS, usually the price is about the same as RYR when booked a week or two in advance, but the advantage is that I get to a hub for connecting flights and probably feel a little less like part of a cattle herd.
I've also just booked for two of us RTN to Malaga, RYR air fare 53.00, EZY 80.00, however the eventual price saw EZY come out 40.00 cheaper!
I'm not anti RYR, in all my years using them all I've ever had is one cancelled flight, so I have never had any real problem at all with them, however, unless you can avoid all their extras, which these days is quite ofton impossible, their bottom line cost bears no relation at all to the actual air fare and other alternatives become more attractive.
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noc/kerry
noc/dub
These two routes are coming up on the drop down when you go into the new search page on the booking page. Hardly going to happen in these lean times.
noc/dub
These two routes are coming up on the drop down when you go into the new search page on the booking page. Hardly going to happen in these lean times.
On the days HHN isn't operated, they would have time for a:
KIR-NOC-DUB-KIR-NOC
With the failure of both GNB and LPL, what else could they try? Beauvais maybe? There isn't enough space in the schedule for a Spanish route.
KIR-STN is down to 4x this winter (KIR based aircraft) but KIR-LTN is daily (LTN based aircraft).
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The BHX-HHN flight was operated by an aircraft based in Spain (I've been on it a few times, Spanish crew and ads). So this is not linked to BHX in any way, but actually on a W pattern via HHN. HHN is also endured more cuts currently, not just to the UK, so who knows where this exact plane is going now, maybe Bari or so. Interesting that they keep BHX-NRN, that's somehow a niche. A bit odd how FR pushes so much into Italy and Spain, while both economies are really feeling the crises.
Looking at AirBaltic's recent development, things like RIX-FRA and frequent KUN-RIX with various connections, FR surely doesn't like that. They seem to get squeezed a bit by Wizzair and AirBaltic in Eastern Europe, also they haven't jumped yet at the vacated BTS opportunities, while FlyNiki doesn't sleep.
Looking at AirBaltic's recent development, things like RIX-FRA and frequent KUN-RIX with various connections, FR surely doesn't like that. They seem to get squeezed a bit by Wizzair and AirBaltic in Eastern Europe, also they haven't jumped yet at the vacated BTS opportunities, while FlyNiki doesn't sleep.
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BHX-HHN
Birmingham – Hahn flights are operated by a Hahn aircraft and always have been. The nationality of the crew is irrelevant as there are lots of different nationalities based at every base. The only routes that are currently operated as so called W patterns are those routes between two destinations (which are not bases). The BHX flights are operated as such...
Mon – HHN – LBC/BHX
Wed & Sun – HHN – BHX/OSI
Fri – HHN – KLU/BHX
Mon – HHN – LBC/BHX
Wed & Sun – HHN – BHX/OSI
Fri – HHN – KLU/BHX
A bit odd how FR pushes so much into Italy and Spain, while both economies are really feeling the crises.
Additionally Spain with Spanair / Vueling / Clickair and Iberia declines there is also an open market.
Your assets can be moved around quickly so why not do it when opportunity calls.
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The only routes that are currently operated as so called W patterns are those routes between two destinations
Perhaps some Ryanair people on here can give other examples............?
On a separate note Ryanair have a schedule of some 60 new aircraft deliveries for the next year. Any suggestions by country as to what the next bases are going to be?
Lets predict a top 5 list or Top 2 in each country EU country???
I predict that one of the EU capitals will get a substantial base next year maybe Lisbon with up to 5/6 aircraft?
In the UK I dont see much activity re New bases but maybe a move from PIK to GLA???
We might get a few surprises with some of the smaller airports getting some new activity?
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I think the Dublin/Neiderhein route on Sunday morning goes Dublin/Neiderhein/Manchester/Dublin. While not strictly a W pattern, it is not common to be able to spot such a routing that is not simply a straightforward rotation on between to airport pairs!
Probably about as accurate as putting on a blindfold and sticking a pin in a picture of a donkey's backside (sorry, I mean Ryanair's route map 
) but here goes anyway:
Memmingen - southern Germany has plenty of money but relatively little FR presence
Karlsruhe (or Basel) - risk of cannibalisation of Hahn ?
Seville
Treviso - NE Italy still a bit of a blank, given Alitalia's woes. Further, MyAir who had a base at Venice went bust recently
Oslo - Norwegian have had it easy for too long
Gothenburg - SAS are struggling
Copenhagen - new LCC terminal opens in 2010
Wroclaw or Krakow - the Polish economy has been relatively unaffected by the recession compared to the UK or Ireland, and LOT is struggling
) but here goes anyway:Memmingen - southern Germany has plenty of money but relatively little FR presence
Karlsruhe (or Basel) - risk of cannibalisation of Hahn ?
Seville
Treviso - NE Italy still a bit of a blank, given Alitalia's woes. Further, MyAir who had a base at Venice went bust recently
Oslo - Norwegian have had it easy for too long
Gothenburg - SAS are struggling
Copenhagen - new LCC terminal opens in 2010
Wroclaw or Krakow - the Polish economy has been relatively unaffected by the recession compared to the UK or Ireland, and LOT is struggling
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Several posters are enjoying a 7 day break from this thread because they continue to pick childish fights with each other. Unfortunately, shorter bans and warnings posted in the thread did not seem to get their attention.
Hopefully this will return the thread to civility and to its purpose which is to discuss Ryanair, not attack it or each other. No, this certainly doesn't mean that non-flattering posts are forbidden, it means that they will be posted and responded to in a civil and contributory manner.
Finally, posters whose emotional lives seem to focus on trashing or defending Ryanair are frankly unwelcome here. The majority of them are currently in the sin bin and it is hoped that no more need to be added to their ranks.
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Hopefully this will return the thread to civility and to its purpose which is to discuss Ryanair, not attack it or each other. No, this certainly doesn't mean that non-flattering posts are forbidden, it means that they will be posted and responded to in a civil and contributory manner.
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noc/kerry
noc/dub
These two routes are coming up on the drop down when you go into the new search page on the booking page. Hardly going to happen in these lean times.
noc/dub
These two routes are coming up on the drop down when you go into the new search page on the booking page. Hardly going to happen in these lean times.
I've also just booked for two of us RTN to Malaga, RYR air fare 53.00, EZY 80.00, however the eventual price saw EZY come out 40.00 cheaper!
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BTS base speculation
anna_list (September 10th):
- FR already cover a lot of SkyEurope's routes from BTS and VIE. With the exception of the seasonal summer routes to the likes of Croatia, Italy and Spain, the only real hole is to Paris. BTS-BVA is surely a no-brainer, but could probably be operated without needing a BTS base.
- FR already cover a lot of SkyEurope's routes from BTS and VIE. With the exception of the seasonal summer routes to the likes of Croatia, Italy and Spain, the only real hole is to Paris. BTS-BVA is surely a no-brainer, but could probably be operated without needing a BTS base.
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The next round of bases?
Hi,
Thanks, although I'm not sure whether to be pleased by the predictive powers of PPRuNe or disturbed to find out how Ryanair now seem to do their route planning...;-)
There are rumours from Spain suggesting that there could be a number of new bases announced there over the next couple of months, with the bases to start in the Spring.
The airports mentioned include Seville (SVQ), Malaga (AGP) and Palma (PMI). More creatively, Zaragoza (ZAZ) may get 2 aircraft this winter, according to this article:
Ryanair estrenará este invierno la base de operaciones de Zaragoza - Aragón - www.elperiodicodearagon.com
Another one to watch is Beauvais where they have recently upgraded the ILS and if I remember correctly, the apron has been expanded too. I suspect that the French authorities probably haven't spent this amount of money just for fun. If so, the long wait for Beauvais to become a base may be nearing its end. It's worth noting that with well over 20 per day, BVA will be in Ryanair's top 10 airports this winter in terms of the number of daily departures (if I've got my sums right). Recently, the airport has been a prime candidate for picking up routes to new bases and new 'W' patterns (e.g. BRI, BTS, TRF, CAG, TPS, AHO, BLQ all this year).
Thanks, although I'm not sure whether to be pleased by the predictive powers of PPRuNe or disturbed to find out how Ryanair now seem to do their route planning...;-)
There are rumours from Spain suggesting that there could be a number of new bases announced there over the next couple of months, with the bases to start in the Spring.
The airports mentioned include Seville (SVQ), Malaga (AGP) and Palma (PMI). More creatively, Zaragoza (ZAZ) may get 2 aircraft this winter, according to this article:
Ryanair estrenará este invierno la base de operaciones de Zaragoza - Aragón - www.elperiodicodearagon.com
Another one to watch is Beauvais where they have recently upgraded the ILS and if I remember correctly, the apron has been expanded too. I suspect that the French authorities probably haven't spent this amount of money just for fun. If so, the long wait for Beauvais to become a base may be nearing its end. It's worth noting that with well over 20 per day, BVA will be in Ryanair's top 10 airports this winter in terms of the number of daily departures (if I've got my sums right). Recently, the airport has been a prime candidate for picking up routes to new bases and new 'W' patterns (e.g. BRI, BTS, TRF, CAG, TPS, AHO, BLQ all this year).
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A couple of decent FR flights
Earlier this month had return flights on FR- BHX/GRO/BHX. Both flights pretty full (although rows 2-4 kept clear for takeoff and landing) and took off on time and arrived early.Good security briefing and two trolley services on each flight - little sold other than hot drinks.
The usual scratch cards,phone cards,perfume being sold and also good commentary from the flight deck.
Also,to a tootle on the PA system, the announcement of the introduction of smoke free cigarettes at €4 for 10. Didn't see anyone buying them
Decent companion PAX and well dressed and behaved unlike some leisure flights to the Med.
Only real complaint was the garbled mangled English announcements from the FAs.
By no way my favourite airline but you have to give it to them - when it works (which is most of the time) it is an efficient and cost effective way of flying from A to B.
And, including baggage,priority boarding and airport checkin the two of us paid what BA used to charge for one return from BHX to BCN.
Price of F&B is so high on board our only extra cost was a £3.49 Boots Special and a £3.99 mini bottle of red each, airside!
The usual scratch cards,phone cards,perfume being sold and also good commentary from the flight deck.
Also,to a tootle on the PA system, the announcement of the introduction of smoke free cigarettes at €4 for 10. Didn't see anyone buying them
Decent companion PAX and well dressed and behaved unlike some leisure flights to the Med.
Only real complaint was the garbled mangled English announcements from the FAs.
By no way my favourite airline but you have to give it to them - when it works (which is most of the time) it is an efficient and cost effective way of flying from A to B.
And, including baggage,priority boarding and airport checkin the two of us paid what BA used to charge for one return from BHX to BCN.
Price of F&B is so high on board our only extra cost was a £3.49 Boots Special and a £3.99 mini bottle of red each, airside!