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Railgun
I'm afraid you are talking out of your arse man!
For a start, BA Cityflyer has NEVER operated out of Birmingham. (It is an Edinburgh airline!) Secondly Bacon, inspite of it's managerial faults, was a very robust (operationally) airline, with a very good record of punctuality.
As somebody who has frequent, recent SLF experience of Flybe (NOT through choice!) It has been a very poor service.
I'm not surprised customers are disappointed! They WILL make future choices based on current experience.
I'm afraid you are talking out of your arse man!
For a start, BA Cityflyer has NEVER operated out of Birmingham. (It is an Edinburgh airline!) Secondly Bacon, inspite of it's managerial faults, was a very robust (operationally) airline, with a very good record of punctuality.
As somebody who has frequent, recent SLF experience of Flybe (NOT through choice!) It has been a very poor service.
I'm not surprised customers are disappointed! They WILL make future choices based on current experience.
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With regard to punctuality...let's not forget Connect's little wheeze of 'pushing and holding'. Subsequently taxying to a quiet part of the airfield, and sitting there with engines running, whilst waiting for your CTOT (slot time), certainly massaged the 'on time' statistics, but didn't prove anything else.
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just saw thsi, looks like Flybe are going to be spending some money respraying the 145.
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.p...5975493&nseq=1
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.p...5975493&nseq=1
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I think thye got no choice really other than remove the markings of the EM145's. I doubt BA want them to keep the A/C in British Airways livery and doubt Flybe want to advertise BA.
Passengers are being missinformed on the CDG - CWL - BHD route. Passengers that wishing to travel CDG - BHD are not aware when they book that they are in fact going to CWL first.
Another problems where passengers have liquids and have to take all their belongings off the a/c and clear through imigration, and then go through security at CWL to then re-board the a/c. Some of them have liquids which of course then gets confiscated.
Passengers are being missinformed on the CDG - CWL - BHD route. Passengers that wishing to travel CDG - BHD are not aware when they book that they are in fact going to CWL first.
Another problems where passengers have liquids and have to take all their belongings off the a/c and clear through imigration, and then go through security at CWL to then re-board the a/c. Some of them have liquids which of course then gets confiscated.
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My mistake in the first post. I meant BACX. Connect punctuality was always better than mainlines as they did not use acars which helped with departure times....
I bet Flybe's aircraft have far less tech problems than Bacons did, everytime some of the fleet flew they would only muster up a 2 sector day then go tech again.
I bet Flybe's aircraft have far less tech problems than Bacons did, everytime some of the fleet flew they would only muster up a 2 sector day then go tech again.
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actually I think you will find the 145 has a much higher dispatch reliability than the Q400, certainly in the early days, and the 195. I wont mention the RJ/146! But what do I know? I only experience the operation now 6 days a week! But you could just make it up to slag of the BACon fill in the gaps r-----n.
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Took the money!
Well, have to say I lasted 3 weeks at Flybe. No criticism of the staff in ops/crew control at all but the decision was personal. I've endured the last 6 years of relocating from one place to another through from PLH/IOM/BHX and then EXT and from Brymon/Manx Airlines/Citiexpress/Connect/Flybe and have seen airline mergers/takeovers fail in the past (Brymon/Birmingham European). I wish all at Flybe well but just before I vacated EXT the disruption payments were rolling through thick and fast so opted for a bit of 'me time' and redundancy and walked away from it! - just hope they havent bitten off more than they can chew..... time will tell. Got myself looking after 5 Dash-8-300s with another little Westcountry outfit and having a ball!!!
Best of luck to all.
Best of luck to all.
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Glad to hear you have moved back down to god's country Dash 7 lover, I hope Mr Cameron is a good to you as he was to all of us up here in Jock land!.
Good luck to all involved in the great fry off, I'm glad I got out when I did.
Good luck to all involved in the great fry off, I'm glad I got out when I did.
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Hi Railgun
Not sure how much experience of ACARS you have, but have you never heard that once the door closes, just releasing the park brake, and holding on the toes, sends an ACARS off chocks message?
The park brake can then be re-applied for as long as you need to stay on stand!
vulcanite
If you aren't familiar with 'push and hold', and the reasons for it, I'm guessing (if you're a pilot at all!) you work at "Sleepy Hollow International Airport"!
Can't believe I'm pointing out how good (operationally) Bacon were!
Connect punctuality was always better than mainlines as they did not use acars which helped with departure times....
The park brake can then be re-applied for as long as you need to stay on stand!
vulcanite
With regard to punctuality...let's not forget Connect's little wheeze of 'pushing and holding'.
Can't believe I'm pointing out how good (operationally) Bacon were!
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I've spoken to a few members of management recently and they all confirmed that the plan shown in the bid document is correct. 145s at BHX until 2009. As for who is going to fly them that's another question as only two people to the best of my knowledge have so far been offered command courses.
I can't genuinely believe the management's public position of "there aren't as many people leaving as you think" and "Now everyone's had a taste of fly be they won't take up their AUG / SEP EASY courses" is what they really think privately ! But they need to be acting as far as command courses are concerned. Even with the fleet reductions planned I can't see the 5 BHX captains I know that are staying being able to do everything ! There may be a couple of 145s floating around until 2009 but I would argue it is now in Fly Be's interest to dispose of the 145 ASAP and get those who want to remain on the Dash or 195 and I suspect that is what is actually around the corner come OCT / NOV.
My other concern for the future is the number of aircraft on "advertising" duty around the bases ! This also leads me to believe a change to the published plan will become a reality once the dust of those leaving has settled in the autumn.
I can't genuinely believe the management's public position of "there aren't as many people leaving as you think" and "Now everyone's had a taste of fly be they won't take up their AUG / SEP EASY courses" is what they really think privately ! But they need to be acting as far as command courses are concerned. Even with the fleet reductions planned I can't see the 5 BHX captains I know that are staying being able to do everything ! There may be a couple of 145s floating around until 2009 but I would argue it is now in Fly Be's interest to dispose of the 145 ASAP and get those who want to remain on the Dash or 195 and I suspect that is what is actually around the corner come OCT / NOV.
My other concern for the future is the number of aircraft on "advertising" duty around the bases ! This also leads me to believe a change to the published plan will become a reality once the dust of those leaving has settled in the autumn.
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Just looked at prices from MAN to DUS and vv. for August,September.
The most resonable ist LH and Flybe hast astronomic prices.
Has anyone been abele to do the online check-in holding an BA etix with Flybe?
The most resonable ist LH and Flybe hast astronomic prices.
Has anyone been abele to do the online check-in holding an BA etix with Flybe?
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No you cant, the reference only works at CUSS machines and online check in if its booked via the flybe website. The CUSS machine is supposed to find the booking via a passport/credit card as an alternate, although recently it appears to have been struggling to do so resulting in passengers checking in the traditional way.
Hope that helps
Hope that helps
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Conrad, been there, tried that, in short, you've no chance. It's quite inefficient and it seems the only tangible benefit you get to booking on BA code, is in using their lounges and of course, the tier points and miles. Apart from that..... zilch, nada, nothing!
Incidentally, and as you mentioned re. Lufthansa, it's cheaper for me to fly biz class with Lufthansa from MAN to FRA, compared to the "low-cost", no-frills Flybe..... makes you wonder, doesn't it?!
Incidentally, and as you mentioned re. Lufthansa, it's cheaper for me to fly biz class with Lufthansa from MAN to FRA, compared to the "low-cost", no-frills Flybe..... makes you wonder, doesn't it?!
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Lo-Cost & 145
I must admit I have made the mistake of describing flybe as lo-cost and lo-fares in the past but in truth they have never been. True their base fares were lower (just) than BACON but never in the same bracket as BMI Baby etc.
As for the 145, does anyone know at what rate they will be disposed off after October or will this not be known until the autumn? I remember the the nextgeneration site had no disposals of the 145 by October 2007.
We all know what happened to Duo and Independence Air when trying to use 48 seat jets as a sort of lo-cost operation (low fares etc) and I assume BA would not underwrite any losses incurred?
Was it not around the 90 Million mark that flybe received from BA, will this cover the 145 operation (plus other things) until 2009? Logic tells me that CheekVisual has it right and we will see a rapid departure of the 145 as more Q400 crews come online?
Peter
As for the 145, does anyone know at what rate they will be disposed off after October or will this not be known until the autumn? I remember the the nextgeneration site had no disposals of the 145 by October 2007.
We all know what happened to Duo and Independence Air when trying to use 48 seat jets as a sort of lo-cost operation (low fares etc) and I assume BA would not underwrite any losses incurred?
Was it not around the 90 Million mark that flybe received from BA, will this cover the 145 operation (plus other things) until 2009? Logic tells me that CheekVisual has it right and we will see a rapid departure of the 145 as more Q400 crews come online?
Peter
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