Ryanair - 5

[maxalt]

Yet MOL is still one of the greatest CEOs in any industry of his generation.

Yeah - to the sheep who are so misinformed and gullible they'd believe the moon is cheese if O'Leary told them so. LOL

F*%k it he says lets off load them.
Well now Mick, me thinks you have a bit of a problem there. This would have to be done even more secretly
than when he purchased them, for the slightest hint that he intended to sell shares would send them to-wards where-st he came from. And even if he does keep it quite the fact that he is trying to off load 25% of the shares well,,,, if you where a share broker what would you offer him. oh i don't know lets say 75 cent,
so 1.4 billion spent on shares at the purchase rate 2.50 (i think) and sold at 75 cent. Do the maths folks,.
Mick has dug himself a big hole and there isn't anyone is gives a f*%k about him enough to throw him a life line..
RYR will not be going to the US. RYR will not be purchasing aer lingus and all that money that mad Micky boy has spent on aer lingus might as well have been pissed up against the wall.
And david bonderman had no idea he was doing it,,,,,,

Good point. Thinking ahead there bia total.
Developing that further - the rumour is that the EU may force him to off-load the shares if they determine his holding predjudices the 75% majority voting the Aer Lingus board needs for certain decisions.
So MOL's chance to 'do it quietly' could suddenly be whipped away from him. An overnight 25% liquidity in the share could certainly hit the price and leave him rather embarrassed.
Now wouldn't that be nice.

[MUFC_fan]

Yeah - to the sheep who are so misinformed and gullible they'd believe the moon is cheese if O'Leary told them so. LOL

Is that why he has grown a quite small Irish carrier into one of the largest and fastest growing airlines in the world?

This man has done what Laker failed to do...bring cheap flights to the people...and keep them cheap...and in business!

There are so many anti-FR fans on these forums. Look at the facts - they are the most on time airline in Europe, loose the least bags and have rock bottom fares, with new a/c!

What peoples problems are is that they are jealous of a man who has been an inspiration to many across the world. It is people like yourself who has become obsessed with critising the carrier...looks like MOL's plan has worked...you know there name...and so do 42.5 million others.

[DrKev]

Look at the facts - they are the most on time airline in Europe, loose the least bags and have rock bottom fares, with new a/c!

According to flightontime.info, Ryanair, using data recorded by the CAA at UK airports, ranks Ryanair 12th for on-time performance during 2006, with 70% of flights arriving on time. Flightstats.com rate them at 74% on time for Feb and March 2007, on routes between UK and Ireland.

Clearly, with the bulk of their flights operating to/from Ireland and Britain, these figures suggest their claim of 99% must be inflated.

Their baggage statistics are unsubstantiated as they do not report these figures to the AUC or anyone else. Personally I don't believe their 'results' are as good as they claim - a factor of ten less than the best reported by the AUC? (FWIW, Virgin Atlantic, bmi, Cyprus Airways, Aer Lingus, JAT Airways, EasyJet and Olympic do not report baggage loss stats to AUC either). That they dare to claim the AUC has actually confirmed them as No. 1 is not only wrong but simply makes any of their other claims suspicious IMO.

There are plenty of online articles from last October and November reporting that Ryanair is most complained about airline in Europe, one article even stating that baggage mix-ups and flight delays were the cause of most of the complaints.

[kingdee]

This is really doing my head in now

I have worked in the industry since leaving school,i am now 30 and i worked for airlines that have gone bankrupt.I personally beleive and know Ryanair do a fantastic job of offering lowcost flights to people that may not be able to fly.They fly new aircraft punctual and clean and basic.
I fly Ryanair at least 20 times a year and between other airlines the legroom between seats is greater than some other loco .

Also all this abuse they get re the odd flight canx ,beleive you and me it is not in any airlines interest to cancel a flight

Yes mr o,leary is a great guy and a very shrewed business man he aint daft .This why they make money and it is not all from 1p fares

CARHIRE HOTELS HOSTELS ONline gambling insurance credit cards the list of ancillary products is endless what next online shopping who knows

Mr oleary would never have taken a rumored 25 stake in EI unless he knew can shift the shares if it all goes wrong .For some reason other locos seem to manage to stay away from this abuse .Or is just that ezy produce a TV programme good advertising that is


BRing on Ryanair p.s. i DO NOT WORK FOR THEm I WORK for a belgium airline and there aint many of those

[bia botal]

Mr oleary would never have taken a rumored 25 stake in EI unless he knew can shift the shares if it all goes wrong

That kingdee remains to be seen. but ask yourself this. If you had shares in EI, and heard mol was being forced to off-loading all of his, what would you expect to get.
i might suggest a number between 1 and 100. cents that is.

[BRUpax]

and it's "I work for a BELGIAN airline".

[Cyrano]

Further to previous posts, here's one little topical example of "lies, damn lies and Ryanair statistics":

A friend of ours was due to arrive in Dublin from EMA early this morning on FR535. She got in touch to say the flight was delayed for 8 hours .

This is confirmed by the EMA airport website. I'm sure this will be updated, but as of now - about noon on the day in question - it says:

FR535 Dublin 06:35 Delayed to 15:20

Similarly, the Dublin airport website currently says

East Midlands Ryanair FR535 20-04-2007 07:35 Delayed 1620

However, if I go to "flight information" on the Ryanair website (today's EMA-DUB flights here) I find that magically the flight was "on time".

So somehow I find it hard to place any credence at all in the "90% of flights on time last week" figure in large print higher up that same page...

[XSBaggage]

I believe it is somebody in Groundops Control or whatever they call it in Dublin who updates the website. They just probably haven't got round to updating it yet - I normally find it quite reliable. If FR flights are running early it still shows "on time" on the website, therefore it is better (as you have done) to look at airport info sites for more up to date times. There isn't a conspiracy round every corner you know. Relax!

XSB

[en2r]

Aerlingus stake

Perhaps MOL will look for another airline to sell the EI stake to? Whatever happens he is on very shaky ground playing with hundreds of million of Euros of Shareholders money. It could well be his downfall if he is forced to take a significant loss on the sale. At the moment they are trading well above what he paid for them, but the Share Price would fall through the floor if he was forced to sell them. It would be better for all concerned if MOL were to sell the stake as a whole.

[DrKev]

I believe it is somebody in Groundops Control or whatever they call it in Dublin who updates the website.

No, like any company their size they have dedicated IT and web employees. A website that big and extensive is not something that one of the ground crew would put together during his spare moments.

I would think that not posting full details of serious delays is perfectly normal across the industry. Would you want booking customers to see that? Thousands of flights, one is 8 hours late and you risk losing hundreds of customers? Most other airlines would put something like "contact the airline" instead and most of their PAX know that delays are common and really don't think too much of it. Ryanair, however, has started a myth of almost total perfection that they are trying desperately to maintain.

Hardly their greatest sin, all things considered, though for those of us who have little time for MOL's antics it just raises another red flag to the bull.

[maxalt]

DrKev, you are indeed just banging your head against a brick wall.
Keep it up though!

O'Leary has created a 'cult of personality' and these sycophants have bought into with such a vengeance they are keen to come to a PILOTS website day after day to kneel and pay homage to their hero, and defend him from scurrilous negative publicity!
Its hilarious.

Hey, Adolf Hitler kept the trains running on time! That was popular enough to get him elected, whatever his methods.
Reading some of the posts here sure helps me to understand where the Sieg Heiling drones came from in 1940's Germany.

[Euroboy39]

Erm, are you comparing MOL to Hitler? I really don't need to say anything, do I?

I don't think MOL is a nice guy- I've met him at RADA in London and I found him abrasive and slightly rude, to be honest. However, as a businessman, he is very shrewd and has pushed the boundaries of traditional concepts of aviation, making flying more like catching a bus- people actually make a conscious decision to fly the airline and you cannot deny, however hard you try Maxalt, that Ryanair provides the customers with SOMETHING they want, which the competition seemingly doesn't. This may be unglamorous, but it is good business practise.

Of course, when the stupid, ignorant general public realise that FR doesn't offer complementary hand-towels and glass of pinot-grigio on board, they shall REVOLT against this evil propaganda machine! You're like a modern-day aviation-bent Marx, Maxalt....

[XSBaggage]

Dr Kev,
I was advised once by somebody in FR that instead of calling their ops department, as a handling agent, I was to look at their website for information regarding delayed flights. This was because one of their ground ops people (who were in charge of all airports outwith DUB and STN) kept it updated as part of their duties! So its not a case of I'm afraid!!!!
Mind you, I never trusted it totally because it did take a while to update.

But still, I agree it is a minor issue compared to the things you could slate FR for.......

XSB

[CamelhAir]

Erm, are you comparing MOL to Hitler?

The implication is rather obvious, running an efficient undertaking doesn't make one a nice person, doesn't mean their methods aren't abhorrent and doesn't mean everything they say is true. Does everything have to be explained?

Bia Botal is right here. MOL is on very shaky ground. Despite the great love of him the spotters have, many of the shareholders (particularly in the US), are not so enamoured. He's safe enough as long as the results are delievred, but one slip and he's gone. I know for a fact that many are emphatically not impressed with his abrasiveness and belligerence, particularly his penchant to be fighting everyone. There are many a murmuring for a steadier hand at the tiller. Unauthorised gambling with shareholders money whilst refusing a much demanded dividend may not be his greatest plan yet.

To all you spotters: one hour of working for ryr would convince you that the management in ryr live and breath lies, deceptions and untruths. The whole apparatus is based on lies and bull$hit. It is widely believed that micko lost the truth several years ago and hasn't found it since. You go ahead and believe everything ryr say, but don't expect anyone with any knowledge of the place to agree with you.

[Evileyes]

Some posters, on BOTH sides of the issue, need to calm down a bit or the thread may need to take a holiday.

Cheers,
The AA&R Mods

[maxalt]

I don't think MOL is a nice guy- I've met him at RADA in London and I found him abrasive and slightly rude, to be honest.

RADA! You've gotta be kidding! The mind truly boggles! Was his act convincing? You seem to have bought it....

Slightly rude? Did you enjoy that? Being dominated by a STRONG personality?
Ooooh luvvie!

Try working for him.
Try getting a refund!

However, as a businessman, he is very shrewd

He's a business man? Gee, I thought he was a DEITY. You seem totally hypnotised.
A businessman is in business to make money - not pro bono publica - despite what you reggie spotters would have us believe.
Quit the sycophantic grovelling - its juvenile and sick making.

[DONTTELLTHEPAX]

He must be a nice man, after all in his latest offer
he is offering £00.01p flights, he has dropped all the
add-on's only the gov-tax, no other charges to pay,
we all know the tax has to be payed, £20 rtn all in,
what a nice man.

[dumdumbrain]

Can we please try and stick to the point of the 'Ryanair' thread. Not just about MOL or how late was that flight FRXXXX....

[maxalt]

Yes, back to reggie spotting and timetable bashing, you sad lot of geeks.
And - Sieg Heil!!

[DONTTELLTHEPAX]

Maxalt, you should stop slagging the only airline
that would give you a job, its just disrespectful