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Wrong again!
Ryanair didn't revolutionise air travel, it was SouthWest Airlines boss Herb Kelleher who did that. And he at least did it with grace and good humour by all accounts. His passengers and staff are happy with the service and treatment they get.
Your problem is you actually believe your own propoganda!
What O'Leary did was to filch the SouthWest LoCo model and turn it into a pointlessly nasty and relentlessly exploitative get rich quick scam.
What you really mean to say is 'I only want to read good news and positive spin about FR please'. 
Ryanair didn't revolutionise air travel, it was SouthWest Airlines boss Herb Kelleher who did that. And he at least did it with grace and good humour by all accounts. His passengers and staff are happy with the service and treatment they get.
Your problem is you actually believe your own propoganda!
What O'Leary did was to filch the SouthWest LoCo model and turn it into a pointlessly nasty and relentlessly exploitative get rich quick scam.
However for now, shall we get back to the old rumours and news?
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Well BA soon dropped GO airlines, The worst thing they ever did
and I would rather get back to the main thread as Ryanair have
just announced another Three routes, by the way how many new
routes has BA announced in 2007 ????
and I would rather get back to the main thread as Ryanair have
just announced another Three routes, by the way how many new
routes has BA announced in 2007 ????
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Err...money?
Food?
Shelter?
Food?
Shelter?
What now?
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No, I am not wrong. I said Ryanair has revolutionised our travel patterns, meaning this side of the atlantic. As all my recent comparisons have been against BA, this was surely obvious- Southwest offers a slightly different model and operates only in North America- you can clearly see I am not from the US (neither are most people in this discussion), hence it is FR and NOT Southwest who have revolutionised OUR travel patterns.
And please stop it with the conspiracy theory, propaganda idea. Lower fares for me, the consumer, in return for less assistance when a flight is cancelled and a lower standard of in-flight service is a good trade-off. This is hardly propaganda, this is what customers want. The option of the full-service carriers is still there and people still have the choice to fly such carriers, however people like myself have voted with our feet (excuse the horrid cliche). You simply can't argue with recent passenger growth! This can only indicate that FR are providing SOMETHING consumers want in the industry.
Are you currently seeking another job at another carrier then, Maxalt?
And please stop it with the conspiracy theory, propaganda idea. Lower fares for me, the consumer, in return for less assistance when a flight is cancelled and a lower standard of in-flight service is a good trade-off. This is hardly propaganda, this is what customers want. The option of the full-service carriers is still there and people still have the choice to fly such carriers, however people like myself have voted with our feet (excuse the horrid cliche). You simply can't argue with recent passenger growth! This can only indicate that FR are providing SOMETHING consumers want in the industry.
Are you currently seeking another job at another carrier then, Maxalt?
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So how many new routes have BA announced so far
in 2007?
in 2007?
Plus several from London City.
Please, can we just move on from this pointless debate?
If you dislike FR so much, move jobs, fly BA.
the naiive ignorant ones
Agree to disagree?
The only thing I'm agreeing is that your head is in the sand. If you want to continue to support a poorer safety culture and a poorer record than most other western carriers, that's your decision. However, don't try to imply that those who know and care are wrong.
Janus,
Ryr don't pay enough money, but I need what they do pay. Running away won't solve the problem as everyone else will be undercut in time. The attitude of ryr management produces both problems: excessive greed which precludes proper pay and promotes corner cutting.
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OK Mr donttellthepax, it's spelled "missed" and for those numpties comparing Ryanair and BA in this excuse for a willy waving contest, they should know they are comparing apples and oranges.
If you need THAT analogy explained to you then God help us all........
If you need THAT analogy explained to you then God help us all........
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How can BA and FR be compared?
BA operates from the busiest interational airport in the world...FR have airports PAY them to serve there! (Derry)
BA offer complimentary in-flight meals with drinks, while FR charge rediculous prices for food and drink.
BA operate out of Heathrow and Gatwick, and therefore cannot start routes 'willy nilly' as the airports are slot constrained. FR fly to airports where they may be the only scheduled carrier, and can therefore pick times that suit their schedule.
Comparing a National Carrier and a foreign LC airline really isn't worth it.
Try FR v EZY
BA operates from the busiest interational airport in the world...FR have airports PAY them to serve there! (Derry)
BA offer complimentary in-flight meals with drinks, while FR charge rediculous prices for food and drink.
BA operate out of Heathrow and Gatwick, and therefore cannot start routes 'willy nilly' as the airports are slot constrained. FR fly to airports where they may be the only scheduled carrier, and can therefore pick times that suit their schedule.
Comparing a National Carrier and a foreign LC airline really isn't worth it.
Try FR v EZY
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Ryanair and Wizzair
Last week, Ryanair announced that they are binning HHN-Krakow, which competes to a large extent with Wizzair's HHN-KTW.
Today, Ryanair announced that NYO - Gdansk will be dropped. Wizzair have been operating the route since the end of 2005.
As far as I can remember, Ryanair are not in the habit of dropping routes with direct competition (as Easyjet, Aer Lingus, bmiBaby, TFly and many others will testify). So what is going on here?
Have Ryanair finally found a rival who can compete on price? (Although I imagine that Wizzair's labour costs may well be lower, surely the current cost of leasing and Ryanair's greater economies of scale must tip the balance in their favour)
Or, is there something more sinister afoot?
Today, Ryanair announced that NYO - Gdansk will be dropped. Wizzair have been operating the route since the end of 2005.
As far as I can remember, Ryanair are not in the habit of dropping routes with direct competition (as Easyjet, Aer Lingus, bmiBaby, TFly and many others will testify). So what is going on here?
Have Ryanair finally found a rival who can compete on price? (Although I imagine that Wizzair's labour costs may well be lower, surely the current cost of leasing and Ryanair's greater economies of scale must tip the balance in their favour)
Or, is there something more sinister afoot?
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Wouldn't that be ironic!
In their self instigated race to the bottom, FR may eventually be defeated by carriers that can operate in even cheaper environments then they do.
I shudder to think what the final result will look like, but at least O'Leary will get a poke in the eye. The image of FR being slagged off as bloated and wasteful by some future Chinese LoCo tycoon sure tickles me.
In their self instigated race to the bottom, FR may eventually be defeated by carriers that can operate in even cheaper environments then they do.
I shudder to think what the final result will look like, but at least O'Leary will get a poke in the eye. The image of FR being slagged off as bloated and wasteful by some future Chinese LoCo tycoon sure tickles me.
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Isn't Bonderman an investor in both airlines, perhaps Wizzair will be the new takeover target for Ryanair ?
Wizzair are the only low lost airline to stick to secondary airports, Charleroi, Beauvais, Skavsta etc. It would be just like O'Leary to confuse the whole EI takeover issue by lobbing in another takeover in the middle of it.
Wizzair are the only low lost airline to stick to secondary airports, Charleroi, Beauvais, Skavsta etc. It would be just like O'Leary to confuse the whole EI takeover issue by lobbing in another takeover in the middle of it.
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Isn't Bonderman an investor in both airlines,
which needs to be considered when looking at ryr going to the US because ryr is now the largest shareholder in aer lingus.
The European commission on fair trade has made it clear that they are unlikely to allow ryr to acquire aer lingus.
So now where does this leave MOL.
It leaves him holding a large amount of shares with his main competitor out of Dublin. So now what does he do. Support his arch rival and maintain the value of the share, shares that where purchased with money that does not belong to him, shares that where purchased without the knowledge of the board of directors and principle share holders in the US and London.But by supporting them he undermines ryr and thus but pressure on the ryr share price. so what else...
F*%k it he says lets off load them.
Well now Mick, me thinks you have a bit of a problem there. This would have to be done even more secretly
than when he purchased them, for the slightest hint that he intended to sell shares would send them to-wards where-st he came from. And even if he does keep it quite the fact that he is trying to off load 25% of the shares well,,,, if you where a share broker what would you offer him. oh i don't know lets say 75 cent,
so 1.4 billion spent on shares at the purchase rate 2.50 (i think) and sold at 75 cent. Do the maths folks,.
Mick has dug himself a big hole and there isn't anyone is gives a f*%k about him enough to throw him a life line..
RYR will not be going to the US. RYR will not be purchasing aer lingus and all that money that mad Micky boy has spent on aer lingus might as well have been pissed up against the wall.
And david bonderman had no idea he was doing it,,,,,,