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Just hitting the wires now ...
Aer Lingus pilots to stage two-day strike
Monday, 13 August 2007 20:58
Almost 500 Aer Lingus pilots are to stage a 48-hour strike next week in protest at the company's plans to employ pilots based at its new Belfast base at lower pay rates.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0813/pilots.html
Well, at least there'll be one Aer Lingus shareholder happy with that news ... EI's price might drop but I'm sure FR flights will be full.
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Aer Lingus pilots to stage two-day strike
Monday, 13 August 2007 20:58
Almost 500 Aer Lingus pilots are to stage a 48-hour strike next week in protest at the company's plans to employ pilots based at its new Belfast base at lower pay rates.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0813/pilots.html
Well, at least there'll be one Aer Lingus shareholder happy with that news ... EI's price might drop but I'm sure FR flights will be full.
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2 day strike .... initially
"The Airline is bitterly dissapointed and accused the pilots of attacking customers"
I thought that was what EI management were doing to it's SNN>LHR customers ..... didn't seem to matter down there ....
Some more info here .....
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/bre...breaking76.htm
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Here's what I don't get ... according to IALPA (ont their web site)
http://www.ialpa.ie/main.html
So, just a branch, not a seperate organisation
Now, the IMPACT site clearly states ...
http://www.impact.ie/iopen24/pub/def...rticlePath=215
So my confusion is this, How can IALPA members strike in support of people who are
a) not yet currently employed by EI
b) not in their geographic coverage area
c) the terms of employment, or even the nature of the employing company (e.g. will they be employed by Aer Lingus (UK) for example) don't appear to have been released.
or am I just missing something?
JAS
IALPA is a branch of the Trade Union IMPACT
So, just a branch, not a seperate organisation
Now, the IMPACT site clearly states ...
IMPACT only organises in the 26 counties of the Republic of Ireland, where we are the second largest union.
IMPACT is affiliated to, and active in, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU), the single trade union centre on the island of Ireland.
IMPACT is affiliated to, and active in, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU), the single trade union centre on the island of Ireland.
So my confusion is this, How can IALPA members strike in support of people who are
a) not yet currently employed by EI
b) not in their geographic coverage area
c) the terms of employment, or even the nature of the employing company (e.g. will they be employed by Aer Lingus (UK) for example) don't appear to have been released.
or am I just missing something?
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Yep you are:
Any Dublin pilot who wishes to move to Belfast to fly (and there are a lot who would like to) are being forced to accept lower terms/conditions/salary than what they are currently on.
That's not right.
It's not just for the local BFS guys who IALPA would love to see join the airline and help EI expand.
Aer Lingus pilots are to strike for 48 hours next week, claiming that a move to the airline's new hub in Belfast will see them employed on less favourable terms and conditions than they have in Dublin.
ireland.com
ireland.com
That's not right.
It's not just for the local BFS guys who IALPA would love to see join the airline and help EI expand.
Ah ... so the strike is about internal moves, not direct entry.
Surely, as Dublin is one of the most expensive (read overpriced/overhyped) cities in Europe, the cost of living in Belfast would be significantly lower.
Certlinly in the real world private sector, if an employee/exce moves to a lower cost location they would EXPECT to be offered a salary commensurate with the market vaule of their skills in that location (even if it is only 150 km up the road across a 'border').
If they had opened the base in Bucharest, would IALPA really expect anyone deciding to move to retain Dublin salary?
JAS
Surely, as Dublin is one of the most expensive (read overpriced/overhyped) cities in Europe, the cost of living in Belfast would be significantly lower.
Certlinly in the real world private sector, if an employee/exce moves to a lower cost location they would EXPECT to be offered a salary commensurate with the market vaule of their skills in that location (even if it is only 150 km up the road across a 'border').
If they had opened the base in Bucharest, would IALPA really expect anyone deciding to move to retain Dublin salary?
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Is it confirmed that EI will be on strike next Tuesday & Wednesday?
Got flights DUB - LHR on the Tuesday, think i'll book with a different carrier tonight before the prices get any higher
Got flights DUB - LHR on the Tuesday, think i'll book with a different carrier tonight before the prices get any higher
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confirmed for the mo, but would say that EI will do something to intervene in the meantime. they were v keen not to make any big push on pci during august to avoid just this kind of strike action, so they'll do what they can to make it go away.
as for the pilots reasoning, part of it seems to be a pre-emptive strike against the pci moves which will come soon. pilots trying to draw a line in the sand ahead before the real action at dublin starts.
am pretty sure pci itself provided for the staff at different bases to be employed on different terms, so the pilots couldn't have not seen it coming. would imagine it also applies to other crew taking jobs up there or making the move, but so far no-one else seems to be striking or talking about it, unless i've missed something.
as for the pilots reasoning, part of it seems to be a pre-emptive strike against the pci moves which will come soon. pilots trying to draw a line in the sand ahead before the real action at dublin starts.
am pretty sure pci itself provided for the staff at different bases to be employed on different terms, so the pilots couldn't have not seen it coming. would imagine it also applies to other crew taking jobs up there or making the move, but so far no-one else seems to be striking or talking about it, unless i've missed something.
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Originally Posted by Just a spotter
So my confusion is this, How can IALPA members strike in support of people who are
a) not yet currently employed by EI
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a) not yet currently employed by EI
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I was told last week that all EI staff received a letter from DM stating that no staff would be transferred to Belfast, they would be hiring new staff on different contracts, terms, and conditions with no unions as part of the contract.
BTW, I have not read much of today's media coverage of this. I don't know what is being reported or what anyone else in EI/unions are saying about this.
b) not in their geographic coverage area
IMPACT is affiliated to, and active in, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU), the single trade union centre on the island of Ireland.
c) the terms of employment, or even the nature of the employing company (e.g. will they be employed by Aer Lingus (UK) for example) don't appear to have been released.
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The Pilots will have to realise that we haven't an All-Ireland economy yet so we can't expect pay rates to be the exact same in the two parts of Ireland. Hopefully common sense will prevail and this strike will be called off.
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If part of the supposed 'new' terms involves a 'no union' clause and yet the new base is governed by UK employment law, I would think that any such contract would be illegal as union recognition would be required should the majority of crew want it. That sort of stunt belongs firmly in the O'leary school of crap airlines.
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That sort of stunt belongs firmly in the O'leary school of crap airlines.
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Impact/Ialpa/Siptu unions will talk and talk with AL management about changes in work practices with a view to lowering the cost base in the Republic until the 'cows come home'.
But they will not deliver and have no intention of doing so until they are forced.
Of course by going on strike they are shooting themselves in both feet because they are shareholders in their own company!
The Belfast operation is a separate operation and AL are entitled to set up there using conditions of employment which may be different to those in use in the RoI. If no Pilots or/and Cabin Crew join AL in Belfast then market forces will force AL to provide better conditions, pay etc.
Ialpa etc in the RoI operation are not helping their own cause with a 48 hour strike.
Now I must log on to the Ryanair site and book my Manchester flights in a few weeks time before the fares jump too high too quickly!
But they will not deliver and have no intention of doing so until they are forced.
Of course by going on strike they are shooting themselves in both feet because they are shareholders in their own company!
The Belfast operation is a separate operation and AL are entitled to set up there using conditions of employment which may be different to those in use in the RoI. If no Pilots or/and Cabin Crew join AL in Belfast then market forces will force AL to provide better conditions, pay etc.
Ialpa etc in the RoI operation are not helping their own cause with a 48 hour strike.
Now I must log on to the Ryanair site and book my Manchester flights in a few weeks time before the fares jump too high too quickly!
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Mannion V Landers on Morning Ireland , 1st Round to Mannion who reminded the public of the work practices still prevalent in the company from the Golden Age of Legacy carriers. He says he has no intention of allowing these to operate in Belfast.
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Did anyone read Ryanair's proposal on their website?
Absolute genius - they have forced the government to vote for or against the shannon closure, as the unions will vote to keep it as will Ryanair, the govt will have a major say and will have to interfere.
Once they do all hell will break loose!!
Think I'll buy 1 share so I can attend the EGM!
Absolute genius - they have forced the government to vote for or against the shannon closure, as the unions will vote to keep it as will Ryanair, the govt will have a major say and will have to interfere.
Once they do all hell will break loose!!
Think I'll buy 1 share so I can attend the EGM!
