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Old 8th Dec 2008, 07:23
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Good point - and surely even more significant in view of the unforgiving profile of the ground to the west of the runway.
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I think this needs to be considered in the light of probable risk, which is negligible.

There has in the last 20 years only been one take off accident at Luton, G-AVGW (HS 125) in 1967, on a training flight.

I cannot remember an accelerated stop which ended up anywhere near the far end of the runway, the only one I know of being the Aztec/One Eleven collison where stopping from the current Charlie intersection on a 08 take off was not marginal.

Therefore in my view an accident of any type is unlikely and the effect of an intersection vs full length departure is probably negligible.

On a recent departure form Luton in an Easy A319 on Rnwy26 form the Alpha intersection, we were airborne arround the Bravo intersection with around 600m remaining.

If we are talking margins this is far greater than I remember those availble to One Elevens to Monastir on hot summer days, or TriStars to Cyprus from the full length.

If the numbers are done and performance is OK intersection departures do not represent a signficantly higher risk, but do save time and fuel IMHO.
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Old 8th Dec 2008, 10:59
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EGGW

08 Intc B TORA = 1685
26 Intc A TORA = 1765


EGJJ

09 TORA = 1706
27 TORA = 1645

Does that mean EZY should stop flying to Jersey as it's too risky?


Aircraft performance calculations have large safety margins therefore even in the most unfavourable conditions and choosing to stop a millisecond before V1 there should still be tarmac in front of you.
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Old 8th Dec 2008, 14:49
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I think this needs to be considered in the light of probable risk, which is negligible.

There has in the last 20 years only been one take off accident at Luton, G-AVGW (HS 125) in 1967, on a training flight.

I hear what you are saying but there is always tomorrow

YouTube - Aborted takeoff

A 1000 extra available feet could be the difference between life and death.
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YouTube - Aborted takeoff

A 1000 extra available feet could be the difference between life and death.
But did he reject before or after V1?
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Old 9th Dec 2008, 14:25
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Grrr So will this affect Luton?

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In which Angolan airport was this filmed ?
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Old 9th Dec 2008, 15:26
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Looking at the crowd at the end I would say it was Luton except Luton does not have a sand trap, just the A505.
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Old 10th Dec 2008, 18:41
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Grrr

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Old 12th Dec 2008, 16:42
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M1 goes to 4 lanes

Subject to weather conditions, the M1 J10 to 6A will be opened to four lanes in phases during next week still running at 50mph. It is then planned to increase the speed limit to 70mph along the whole length overnight on 19th December 2008.



Amazing, the 10 mile section of the M1 finishes on time while the 1 mile upgrade of Airport Way is currently 1 year late with the latest completion date now April 2009. Lets not forget that both projects were started mid 2006.
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I have been told that the New Airport Way is due to be inspected by LTN BC Engineering & Transportation on the 17th of this month and if all goes well will be opened soon after that.
We will wait to see if it does, once the New Airport Way is opened, then road improvement starts on the Old Airport Way and Kimpton Road route which becomes the A505.
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London Luton – Top UK Airport for passenger growth

News - London Luton Airport

London Luton – Top UK Airport for passenger growth

Published: 12 December 2008

London Luton Airport is delighted to announce its position as No.1 UK airport for passenger growth.

London Luton handled the largest increase in passenger numbers of any UK airport in the period Jan-Sep 08, with an additional 487,311* passing through the airport, 6.5% up on the previous year. This increase is greater than the total population of Bedfordshire, the county within which London Luton resides, or the population of Malta.

This fantastic growth has been fuelled by the launch of a number of new routes with further inroads into Cyprus, Italy, Poland and Jersey as well as airlines adding frequency to existing destinations.

Glyn Jones, the Airport's Managing Director commented "We have achieved this position due to our excellent transport links to London, the South East and the Midlands as well as having one of the best Airport catchment areas in the UK. This has been an encouraging year for us and shows just how attractive London Luton Airport now is to airlines and travellers alike."
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I have been told that the New Airport Way is due to be inspected by LTN BC Engineering & Transportation on the 17th of this month and if all goes well will be opened soon after that.
We will wait to see if it does, once the New Airport Way is opened, then road improvement starts on the Old Airport Way and Kimpton Road route which becomes the A505.

Timetable

http://www.luton.gov.uk/media%20libr...0programme.pdf

The section by Gypsy Lane should open around now although the link to the station will remain shut until the traffic lights are installed, but as for the rest of it I doubt it very much as history has shown that every deadline that is set is missed. Although the link to the airport would not be affected the construction company has still to lay tarmac under the bridge or even put in a row of curb stones.

Worth remembering that once fully open, only busses will be able to turn right into Gypsy Lane. Everyone else will have to follow the diversion route which will become permanent.

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Thanks LTNman, that is what l thought l had relayed in my post.
The main point that l can make out, is that the link between the MI and the airport may well be opened by next weekend.
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There may well be 4 lanes open on the M1, but only the outside 2 will ever be used!
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The main point that l can make out, is that the link between the MI and the airport may well be opened by next weekend
It will be interesting then to see how the traffic from the airport merges with the A505 as without a dual carriageway section under the bridge, traffic from the airport would have to give way to traffic on to the A505. As this junction has not been designed with a slip road then this will just mean delays as traffic will have to join the road from a standing start.

Still think that just the section from Gypsy Lane will be open for Christmas but we will see.
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It's 0500 on a sunday morning and whilst outside easyland having a drop of fresh air i was watching the utter chaos occuring on the round about. As someone previously said because the new drop off zone is so far from the terminal most regular travellers are now stopping on the roundabout, with the security staff trying their uttmost to keep the traffic moving but failing miserably because people just ignore them. However i personally think that anyone who has driven into the new drop off zone realises that getting out of there is almost impossible and you get trapped. Firstly there's a constant flow of people walking across the padestrian crossing from the the drop off zone to the terminal, so the cars just have to wait for ever. Once you've got past there you then have to nudge your way into the queing traffic going into the drop off zone, someone really put a lot of thought into this new lay out. Unless someone changes the priorities the traffic jams are going to be worse next summer than last, with lots of cars going nowhere fast.
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Old 14th Dec 2008, 06:16
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All of this was predicted here a few weeks ago.

They need to do what London has done when people stop on the yellow hatched areas at junctions and photograph them and fine them by post.

These people just can’t see a problem with stopping on a roundabout and going to their boots to load and unload luggage. The trouble is that once one car has stopped to do this, like sheep all the cars behind do the same, so once the first car has moved on the traffic doesn’t move until the last car has finished.

Then there is the old chestnut of car drivers parking up in the drop off area indefinitely until their passengers turn up. At the moment I haven’t seen a problem due to low traffic flows when I have been up there but it will happen if the airport doesn’t employ some traffic wardens.
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Old 14th Dec 2008, 08:32
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Grrr

Stansted passenger figures for November 2008 show a staggering 13% decline against Nov 2007!

I wonder how Luton faired?

This should tell us soon? UK Airport Provisional Statistics | Data | Economic Regulation
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Old 14th Dec 2008, 17:14
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Send it in. A solution seems simple to me. With a slight modification to the entrance and exit just reverse the traffic flow into the drop off area.

Have to say through that for the drop off area to be kept free some sort of enforcement needs to be carried out.
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