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Old 2nd Nov 2011, 13:42
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Is that Christmas Festivities at the Zoo !!!!!
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Old 2nd Nov 2011, 23:06
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Last of easyJet's 737 flights, both are now destined for the Cotswold Executioner!

Bear's hear much, Wizz are very much in demand, both deep into more central and southern Europe and at 'home'. Crawley International and the elephant in Essex would love em!

As for 'festivities', I am off to buy a huge red pen and a GIANT notepad for the Olympics traffic. Well I would, if I was a 'soptter'! Cannot bring myself to even spell it correctly, even though the 'real' Buster says that I am!
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 09:06
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Rumours of luton-Rome with Monarch for S12.Anyone confirm
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 13:05
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Monarch - New Route to Rome

Yep, its been confirmed...

Monarch | 2011 News - Flights - Monarch embarks on its

No news on frequency or which airport in Rome. When it goes on sale tomorrow, should have a better idea.

Shame the airport missed out on the other routes. As they are launching four or five new routes from their other bases.

Manchester to Dubrovnik, Milan, Venice and Verona
Birmingham to Dubrovnik, Heraklion, Milan, Rome and Venice
London Gatwick to Dubrovnik, Heraklion, Milan and Venice

Venice and a higher frequency and longer summer season schedule to Dubrovnik would have been welcomed! Hope Wizzair delivers on this next year.
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 13:29
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Not all good news, pulling a A320 out of Luton.
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 17:46
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Grrr

They had better update their on-line timetable then.
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 19:30
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Monarch

Good news about Rome.3x weekly from March 28th.
At last a NEW ROUTE to add-ok it was served many years ago from Luton.

Was it more than coincidence that Easy announced Heraklion recently-Monarch were unlikely to go head to head with them on the Milan route but as Giles says am surprised about Venice not being added.

Guess the A320 now being lost was the one added this summer at the last minute with all the additional GIB flights.Suspect they may be the ones to see the cut.

Cant wait to see what W6 have planned for next year.
More concrete please
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 19:44
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As I have reported on the Monarch thread the 2012 Monarch schedules are showing as an example on Saturday mornings in June and July a total of five aircraft will be needed. This year Gib saw two flights daily but on some days it has been cut back to one daily next year.
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 19:52
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You could add - Naples & Cagliari to the list of Italian routes, along with Nice? Rome is a bit stingy compared to the other bases.
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Old 3rd Nov 2011, 22:47
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Shame to see the airport loosing one of Monarch's A320's... I would suspect this aircraft and the two additional A320's being added to the fleet from next summer, will see these aircraft going to Birmingham, Manchester and Gatwick...

What's Luton's loss is their gain!

Even if the Gibraltar flights are reduced next summer, this is only a 6-7 hour blocked sector for one of the aircraft in a single day and would have been covering other routes. So I would expect we'll be seeing a number of the airlines routes frequency from Luton, being cut too...

Anyone know what charters Monarch will be operating next year?

I think this year it was only a weekly flight Zakynthos and Paphos, so there is not much in the way charter can be cut by the airline, by dropping this aircraft. At the same time as cutting aircraft, they also have to make room in the schedule for the Rome flights!

WIth the easyJet announcing they will be flying to Corfu next year, I wonder if we will see this route quietly disappear?

Over the last few years, while LTN's list of destinations has grown rapidly, it seems to have been done with very little growth... (Exception been Wizz!) It seems the new destinations have come at the expense of exisiting destinations having their frequencies cut. This is very apparent if you was to look at easyJet's timetables from the early 2000's, where there now long established routes flew maybe like 6-7 times daily (GLA, EDI, BFS, AMS and CDG) and now 3-4 times daily and destinations in Spain flown 4 times daily are now maybe 1-2 times daily.

Ryanair is the same, when they based the four aircraft at the airport about 6-7 years ago, they only flew to 11-12 destinations, but had at least daily frequencies on all routes. Now they fly to 21 destinations with the same number of aircraft! Very few of either airlines routes are flown by aircraft from other bases.

Its strange how LTN gains destinations and looses frequencies, while airports like LGW gain frequencies and destinations.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 07:46
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Its strange how LTN gains destinations and looses frequencies, while airports like LGW gain frequencies and destinations.
If you read some of the comments on the airports facebo*k page you will see than many passengers have stopped using Luton after getting stuck in massive traffic jams as they headed for the drop off area.

Their comments don't make easy reading

Wonder why the word Faceb00k is a banned word on PPRuNe
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 10:06
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Monarch's FCO ex LTN, appears to be a mid-afternoon departure on Su,Tu,Wed, not great really.
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Old 4th Nov 2011, 18:10
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Grrr

Luton's 20 million Regional Growth Fund will unlock growth at Luton Airport
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 16:06
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Airport Plans for 2012

So has anyone seen the new two lane plans submitted to LBC through the existing underpass? Will it have another revised set-down system or is it a bigger funnel into the existing area?
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 16:12
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Apologies for the lack of background experience, but there seems to be an unending change of plans for traffic management on the road approaching Luton airport. Whenever a new plan is implemented, somehow is always seems to be more disastrous than the previous one (or at least that's the impression I get from reading people's reactions !)

Is anyone (Buster perhaps ?) able to explain what the core issues are behind this, and what they think it would take to get it resolved once and for all ?
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 17:25
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So has anyone seen the new two lane plans submitted to LBC through the existing underpass? Will it have another revised set-down system or is it a bigger funnel into the existing area?
I'm waiting for it to go online on the councils planning website but it hasn't happened yet but should happen this week. When it does I will provide a link but I would have thought the drop off lanes will be turned 90 degrees or the traffic flow reversed with the drop off area moved further out.

Is anyone (Buster perhaps ?) able to explain what the core issues are behind this, and what they think it would take to get it resolved once and for all
The bridge carrying taxiway Alpha was was meant to have been by the Holiday Inn but ATC objected. This made the central area a fraction of the size it could have been.

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Old 5th Nov 2011, 17:50
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The bridge carrying taxiway Alpha was was meant to have been by the Holiday Inn but ATC objected. This made the central area smaller than it could have been.
Not true. There was a suggestion (no more than that) to put the taxiway into the back of the compass base but it was rejected for a lot of sensible reasons.

Without a lot of other work (re-alignment of twy B, demolition and re-location of the Fire Station and Switch House One with all the associated airfield lighting cabling for a start) it would never have worked particularly in Cat II/III. It would also have made precious little difference to the capacity in the central area.

Do bear in mind the vision with all this was to build the terminal building down the hill next to the railway station (and all the car parking) and to have a people-mover (why there is a second bore under the twy) up to what should have been just the departure lounge. Someone ought to go with the vision.

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Old 5th Nov 2011, 21:55
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Vintage is 100% correct, the 'vision' was cost engineered into the tinminal and Parkway that exists today. A terminal was to be built at the Parkway, only it didn't happen and the development was done piecemeal in an era when public transport was out of favour.
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 22:30
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The whole planning and subsequent end result of parkway became a farce.A friend of mine(now retired) was involved at a senior level with the development and put simply the original plans could now be built but back then the 'Safety Zone" at the end of R08 prevented parkway from having Check in Areas.
This "Safety Zone" changed almost immediately after parkway opened,much to the frustration of all involved
I am led to believe that back then a Cable Car system (continous loop) was the prefered method of transprting passengers to the terminal and not a monorail.
The original plans must still be in the vaults at the council..
Maybe Vintage ATCO can confirm if this is correct?
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 23:07
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Sort of. Public Safety Zones use to be a short dumpy triangle with its apex at the runway threshold and the base of the triangle not that far from the threshold. I cannot remember the precise dimensions, age and red wine has taken its toll. This is why the current Parkway rail station has its face at the angle it does, it butted up right up to the edge of the PSZ. Car parking was not restricted in the PSZ which is why the car park at Parkway is where it is.

Some time later, and again I cannot remember the timescales, PSZ's were changed to be a much longer and thinner triangle but t'other way round, the base was at the runway threshold and the apex out on the approach, somewhere near J10 I seem to think.

This doesn't mean it would not have been possible to build a terminal 'down the hill' but at the time (early/mid 90s) the airport simply didn't have the money. It's nothing to do with the Council as at the time the airport had been leased out.

Not to say, given the will and the money, it still couldn't be done.
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