TUI/ First Choice
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Olton Pete, what about Jersey, Faro, Majorca, Valencia, Ibiza, Salzburg? Any stats for those? Might give a more balanced stance...
I would also like to know the method of working out the average loads...for example, Coventry - Pisa operated from end April 2006 until 28 October, on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays...by my calculations that makes 107 days of operation. 23879/107=223 pax divided by 2 = 111 pax, that flew...bearing in mind no shows, that could be added, then that is not bad going in my opinion.
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I would also like to know the method of working out the average loads...for example, Coventry - Pisa operated from end April 2006 until 28 October, on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays...by my calculations that makes 107 days of operation. 23879/107=223 pax divided by 2 = 111 pax, that flew...bearing in mind no shows, that could be added, then that is not bad going in my opinion.
**I feel that this thread is digressing from the main topic of discussion, and possibly suggest to the mods that the Coventry posts be moved elsewhere**
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Maybe I wasn't being clear, it's the landing performance into CVT which restricts the B738. On a wet CVT R/W safety dictates that it is not a suitable aircraft, due primarily to the R/W length and surface, at the higher landing weights.
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This can happen at BLK with the 752. Upon landing in either the FR 738 or LS 752 there is extreme breaking, even on a dry runway, and they have quite a distance of runway left at the end of r/w28!
Yes, MFF is up & running in TOM, but there are restrictions imposed: you can fly ONE variant of 737 & EITHER the 757 OR 767.
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........yes and stuff the customers, what do they matter ?
Your logic does not follow - if you stuff the customers, you will be left with no business......of course the customer matters.
........yes and stuff the customers, what do they matter ?
Your logic does not follow - if you stuff the customers, you will be left with no business......of course the customer matters.
There will be choice within the marketplace, in fact, plenty of it. I don't see hoiw that stuffs the customer? The range of opportunities that might develop from a combined group may well benefit the customer - new destiantions, more specialised holiday opportunities etc....
Time will tell, but a statement of it stuffs the customer seems wholely unsubstantiated..........
Time will tell, but a statement of it stuffs the customer seems wholely unsubstantiated..........
Use of regional airports will suffer as the big players will direct operations where is most suitable for them, NOT the customer. We have already seen that in the industry already, I expect that to increase.
Good news in the short term for new rivals such as Jet2.com and their holiday business, but how long before they get swallowed up as well ?
If you work for either of these companies then fair enough and good luck to you, but please dont try telling us how good it will be for the rest of us.
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A monopoly ? 
There will still be Thomas Cook, TUI Travel, Jet2 ... excuse me if i'm wrong but doesn't a monopoly mean that you have total control / exclusivity ?
There is still (if not more determined) competition between the big players in this small part of the industry.
This is only a small part of the market, many of the travel agents offering package holidays do not use these airlines and so it widens the 'competiton' even further. These companies have to compete with the locos as well so that people don't try using them and organising their own holidays. There is no monopoly - not even close !
Of course the companies merged to help themselves but do you really think they'd have done it if they felt they both had a future considering the other competiton ? NO - they were threatened and therefore had to do something to make sure they both had a future reducing the likeliness of your supposed 'monopoly' rob T100. The package holiday business is not what it once was and will not continue to support 4 (5 if you include jet2) companies.
How many regional airports do you see Thomsonfly and First Choice using right now ? Not many ! Neither operate domestic routes or operate small aircraft. But, why would they stop using regionals they use now ? They are not reducing fleet size and why should they leave somewhere that is making a profit ? If it isn't making a profit ... they'll leave whether it's a regional or international airport.
You need to think a bit more Rob T100 and look at the big picture.
There will still be Thomas Cook, TUI Travel, Jet2 ... excuse me if i'm wrong but doesn't a monopoly mean that you have total control / exclusivity ?
There is still (if not more determined) competition between the big players in this small part of the industry.
This is only a small part of the market, many of the travel agents offering package holidays do not use these airlines and so it widens the 'competiton' even further. These companies have to compete with the locos as well so that people don't try using them and organising their own holidays. There is no monopoly - not even close !
Of course the companies merged to help themselves but do you really think they'd have done it if they felt they both had a future considering the other competiton ? NO - they were threatened and therefore had to do something to make sure they both had a future reducing the likeliness of your supposed 'monopoly' rob T100. The package holiday business is not what it once was and will not continue to support 4 (5 if you include jet2) companies.
How many regional airports do you see Thomsonfly and First Choice using right now ? Not many ! Neither operate domestic routes or operate small aircraft. But, why would they stop using regionals they use now ? They are not reducing fleet size and why should they leave somewhere that is making a profit ? If it isn't making a profit ... they'll leave whether it's a regional or international airport.
You need to think a bit more Rob T100 and look at the big picture.
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I'm seeing all these comments about TUI and TCX groups as the only two main charter carriers in the country (there was also mention of LS's new arm) but surely MON and Cosmos are still going?!
I have been all over the world with Monarch - Maldives, Gran Canaria, Orlando etc. They are the best charter airline I have ever been with, and I may say I have been with them all - TOM, MON, MYT (also Airtours), TCX (and JMC and Flying Colours), Astreaus, XL, FCA etc.
Also, will the FCA brand remain, or become the design of the world renound TUI 'wink'?
Cheers.
I have been all over the world with Monarch - Maldives, Gran Canaria, Orlando etc. They are the best charter airline I have ever been with, and I may say I have been with them all - TOM, MON, MYT (also Airtours), TCX (and JMC and Flying Colours), Astreaus, XL, FCA etc.
Also, will the FCA brand remain, or become the design of the world renound TUI 'wink'?
Cheers.
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Sorry should have said it is expected that the airline name FCA will be no more.
The enlarged company’s deputy chief executive Peter Rothwell revealed the group’s 156-aircraft fleet would be rebranded under one name.
He refused to reveal the brand the new airline would adopt, but it is expected First Choice Airways will be ditched.
TUI AG is currently rebranding all its non-UK fleets to TUI Fly.
No decision has been made on the future of the Thomsonfly- name.
The enlarged company’s deputy chief executive Peter Rothwell revealed the group’s 156-aircraft fleet would be rebranded under one name.
He refused to reveal the brand the new airline would adopt, but it is expected First Choice Airways will be ditched.
TUI AG is currently rebranding all its non-UK fleets to TUI Fly.
No decision has been made on the future of the Thomsonfly- name.
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Alternatively Air 2000 would be just as good. Remember both airlines/companies are beinf disolved so wont exist anymore. A new airline will be under the banner of TUI UK PLC so it could just as easily be called Joe Bloggs airlines. Whether you're from FCA or the present TUI airline, it makes sod all difference. We will all be starting a fresh with the crew being amalgamated. Let the CC's fight it out will be the best guess to secure the best T's & C's for the new airline.
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The group is in danger of having more names than a stray dog. I'm willing to bet that there is still more passenger identificaion with Britannia Airways than Thomsonfly.
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Whatever the outcome of the new name it has to be recognised by the pubic. I have mentioned the airline TUI to a few friends and they look at me with blank faces, whereas if you mention Thompson or First Choice then they know who you are talking about. As I said in my last post, if it's a new Company being formed then surely the airline has to be 'new' as well whatever name it is called.