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I would think not before the runway extension as B744 too big for routes and A340 300 with full load would not get off runway and I`m not sure you can handle an A340 600 at BHX because of dimensions
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Siloesid and Volrider........Gang up all you like....They are all still there on the Elmdon apron and Lima taxiway.....Not gone and left as you predicted.....
So your point was????????
So your point was????????
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The point was Call 100 is that security is CRAP....sorry you cant work that one out, if I am wrong then how come a scallwag can cut a hole in the fence then wander not very quietly onto the airfield on a motorbike and burn a helicopter that was in view a few yards from a manned ICTS security checkpoint... I do not understand your argument on the security being good, or do we have to wait for another incursion and see another aircraft destroyed..... they all know its possible now...........
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call100,
It's not a case of 'they are still there', it's a case of they are back!
BHX hasn't a good record for 'incursions' on the Elmdon side, especially on Sunday nights/Monday mornings!!
Interesting to see what may be left in the morning, and I'm sure you know how that side of the airfield is manned at night !
It's not a case of 'they are still there', it's a case of they are back!
BHX hasn't a good record for 'incursions' on the Elmdon side, especially on Sunday nights/Monday mornings!!
Interesting to see what may be left in the morning, and I'm sure you know how that side of the airfield is manned at night !
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I understand if you guys are fed up about the security issue, but I wonder if you could clear something up for me?
In the late eighties I recall the police helicopter used to land on a moveable pad and was wheeled into a hangar at the end of the row of hangars on the Elmdon apron. It looks like a few of those hangars are gone now.
In recent times was the helicopter moved to a permanent area close to the 06/24 runway?
I wonder why that was? At watching the landing / moving process firsthand back then it seemed very quick and hasslefree.
Why were the few hangars knocked down? Had they fallen into disrepair?
Thanks.
In the late eighties I recall the police helicopter used to land on a moveable pad and was wheeled into a hangar at the end of the row of hangars on the Elmdon apron. It looks like a few of those hangars are gone now.
In recent times was the helicopter moved to a permanent area close to the 06/24 runway?
I wonder why that was? At watching the landing / moving process firsthand back then it seemed very quick and hasslefree.
Why were the few hangars knocked down? Had they fallen into disrepair?
Thanks.
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The point was Call 100 is that security is CRAP....sorry you cant work that one out, if I am wrong then how come a scallwag can cut a hole in the fence then wander not very quietly onto the airfield on a motorbike and burn a helicopter that was in view a few yards from a manned ICTS security checkpoint... I do not understand your argument on the security being good, or do we have to wait for another incursion and see another aircraft destroyed..... they all know its possible now...........
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Keeprighton ( I like the title a good brummie fan) The helicopter I believe was moved when they had new offices rather than the old portacabins, the new offices are in the termianl and that landing pad was nearer.
Re the hangers well not sure what happened but as the expansion of the runway is planned then a hangar there would be right on the repositioned ILS and not useable.
Call 100 I agree that we all know security is not good but your hung up on cost, if this incident had happened to a FlyBe 195 or the Fedex ATR would cost be the implication then??? No I think that they would revise ALL security which sadly since the incident I don't think they have bothered to, which is the most annoying thing....I really hope this never happens again as there must be paperwork floating about that they cannot hide should a terrible incident take place.
They are lucky BHX as it has been quietly reported in the media, even stating it as Elmdon airport Sheldon, which we may know its the same place but joe public think its a microlight airfield or such...
Anyway thats my end line on this. Hopefully we can agree to dissagree
Re the hangers well not sure what happened but as the expansion of the runway is planned then a hangar there would be right on the repositioned ILS and not useable.
Call 100 I agree that we all know security is not good but your hung up on cost, if this incident had happened to a FlyBe 195 or the Fedex ATR would cost be the implication then??? No I think that they would revise ALL security which sadly since the incident I don't think they have bothered to, which is the most annoying thing....I really hope this never happens again as there must be paperwork floating about that they cannot hide should a terrible incident take place.
They are lucky BHX as it has been quietly reported in the media, even stating it as Elmdon airport Sheldon, which we may know its the same place but joe public think its a microlight airfield or such...
Anyway thats my end line on this. Hopefully we can agree to dissagree
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You both seemed to think some would leave because of it. They have not and neither have they come back, they never left.
So once again you are misinformed, they did leave and have come back.
Besides, for your information...the word on the street is that the Police Helicopter was taken out simply because it was the first aircraft they came upon and the attack was not directly aimed at the helicopter as a Police vehicle.
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Concrete Blocks Outside Old Terminal BHX.
Was amazed today driving down to the old terminal that they had blocked the bottom road of which goes past the cafe and to the front of the old terminal where the V.I.P. passengers get out of the cars to go in, It was totally blocked of with large concrete Blocks please tell me who this is going to stop. they would have been better putting the concrete blocks around the perimiter fence. Maybe Block the fence of to the right of the terminal under the old viewing balcony but Not The Whole Road. Was there any consultation with the likes of signature who handle alot of people threw there or was this just knee jerk reaction to the police helicopter attack!!! It Looks a Total eye sore
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was this just knee jerk reaction to the police helicopter attack!!!
It was totally blocked of with large concrete Blocks please tell me who this is going to stop.
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Yes Volroider as u say its not good outside there to Fort Knox Springs to mind
Silsoesid Fully understand where you are comming from. just my opinion they are an eyesore and to me other than the concrete blocks at the right hand side of the terminal blocking the crash gate/Fence under the old balcony. I See No purpose for them blocking that road of. Im sure the cafe has seen a Downturn in business since they were put there and I Dont think it a nice sight for a V.I.P. Turning up and seeing Concrete Blocks All over Dont see them at LTN? Just my Thoughts and Opinion
Silsoesid Fully understand where you are comming from. just my opinion they are an eyesore and to me other than the concrete blocks at the right hand side of the terminal blocking the crash gate/Fence under the old balcony. I See No purpose for them blocking that road of. Im sure the cafe has seen a Downturn in business since they were put there and I Dont think it a nice sight for a V.I.P. Turning up and seeing Concrete Blocks All over Dont see them at LTN? Just my Thoughts and Opinion
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As the subject of the arrangement at the front of T1/T2 has come up now...
Why don't BHX level off the old drop-off service road to be the same level/surface material as the adjacent pedestrian areas? It's permanently blocked off from any vehicle (emergency or otherwise) so it seems pointless to maintain this 'ghost' service road. Would be a decent plan turning a 'everyone inconvenienced/charged extra for so called airport security' into a 'increased pedestrian area/facility infront of terminal buildings'.
Why don't BHX level off the old drop-off service road to be the same level/surface material as the adjacent pedestrian areas? It's permanently blocked off from any vehicle (emergency or otherwise) so it seems pointless to maintain this 'ghost' service road. Would be a decent plan turning a 'everyone inconvenienced/charged extra for so called airport security' into a 'increased pedestrian area/facility infront of terminal buildings'.
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I believe it was the police that sorted the blocks out, BHX had no security interest whatsoever.
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Well mr Call100, for your information, one minute it was there, the next it was gone, then it was there again.
So once again you are misinformed, they did leave and have come back.
Besides, for your information...the word on the street is that the Police Helicopter was taken out simply because it was the first aircraft they came upon and the attack was not directly aimed at the helicopter as a Police vehicle.
So once again you are misinformed, they did leave and have come back.
Besides, for your information...the word on the street is that the Police Helicopter was taken out simply because it was the first aircraft they came upon and the attack was not directly aimed at the helicopter as a Police vehicle.
Why would that information on the Police Helicopter be for my information?....I don't think anyone was questioning why it was attacked!!??
Where have the Police decided to move to by the way?
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Call 100,
James May clearly based his regularly used phrase on you!
Anyhoo...
Please read a previous post.
Because it was thought to be so clear cut.
However, it seems that the helicopter was the closest aircraft on the dispersal to the break in point. If it was away for maintenance that night, FedEx would probably be talking to their insurers at this point!
James May clearly based his regularly used phrase on you!
Anyhoo...
I don't think anyone was questioning why it was attacked!!??
Because it was thought to be so clear cut.
However, it seems that the helicopter was the closest aircraft on the dispersal to the break in point. If it was away for maintenance that night, FedEx would probably be talking to their insurers at this point!
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SiloePlod....If your aunty had balls she'd be your uncle...........Lots of if's......
But of course as long as you are happy with that then fine...........You really should move on. This obsession is not good for you.
But of course as long as you are happy with that then fine...........You really should move on. This obsession is not good for you.
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Surely in these modern times an alternative to grey concrete blocks can be found? It is a bit like flying out of the Eastern Bloc at times.
I'm not knocking the airport on this one, but it's time to decide if the arrangements are permanent or not.
If the drop-off road is never going to see action again then can it be made secure AND pleasant on the eye? How about some gardens or greenery? (not like the few half-dead trees lining the drop-off car park!).
Again, it all contributes to a passenger's experience.
I'm not knocking the airport on this one, but it's time to decide if the arrangements are permanent or not.
If the drop-off road is never going to see action again then can it be made secure AND pleasant on the eye? How about some gardens or greenery? (not like the few half-dead trees lining the drop-off car park!).
Again, it all contributes to a passenger's experience.