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Call100 admit it you'd love to work in DH. What's stopped you progressing or are you happy to be plodding along as a small cog !!! or could it be you're just not good enough
The fact remains that the Management of the airport are to blame for the current position. Lack of forsight over many years. They are residing over the demise of an airport that could have had the extended runway up and running by now.
I spoke to a board member last week who had the same frustrations, and was expressing them where he thought they would do the most good.
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Call 100 you make some good points.
With the ever moving goal posts from BIA regarding the bonus I suppose it was only a matter of time before they put a stop to it.
As for the attendance payment,it is a nice incentive to staff that still go into work even when feeling less than best,however I think it should have been offered for the 12 months just gone,as it was for 05/06.
Its another dent for morale of the (ever decreasing) BIA staff today but without the summer offer it would have been worse.
As for working in DH,well at the rate to which BIA are out-sourcing departments,and we all know there are more to follow,there are going to be a lot of people in that building with not a lot to do.
With the ever moving goal posts from BIA regarding the bonus I suppose it was only a matter of time before they put a stop to it.
As for the attendance payment,it is a nice incentive to staff that still go into work even when feeling less than best,however I think it should have been offered for the 12 months just gone,as it was for 05/06.
Its another dent for morale of the (ever decreasing) BIA staff today but without the summer offer it would have been worse.
As for working in DH,well at the rate to which BIA are out-sourcing departments,and we all know there are more to follow,there are going to be a lot of people in that building with not a lot to do.
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I agree with you Alpha - you and Call make some good points.
I totally fail to understand anyone who tries to score points against anyone in here with personal comments and one-upmanship when people do not know each other - I too am a very happy little cog, which is relative - there are much littler cogs than I and much bigger ones.
I always thought that once the AESOPS scheme came in fully, the bonus would be sidelined and then stopped. Of course, the attendance payment for retrospective months would have to be paid to the security staff now left and money will be saved by paying for months to come.
More outsourcing will be in the offing of course. And with fewer and fewer employees - do they need e.g an Occupational Health department? Training and Development? IT? or can these services themselves be realistically outsourced and bought in when needed.
Cleaning, Fire and Security are not the end of the story. Where next?
I totally fail to understand anyone who tries to score points against anyone in here with personal comments and one-upmanship when people do not know each other - I too am a very happy little cog, which is relative - there are much littler cogs than I and much bigger ones.
I always thought that once the AESOPS scheme came in fully, the bonus would be sidelined and then stopped. Of course, the attendance payment for retrospective months would have to be paid to the security staff now left and money will be saved by paying for months to come.
More outsourcing will be in the offing of course. And with fewer and fewer employees - do they need e.g an Occupational Health department? Training and Development? IT? or can these services themselves be realistically outsourced and bought in when needed.
Cleaning, Fire and Security are not the end of the story. Where next?
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Thanks Phil and alfaloop...The problem with those types of bonus is that after tax its about £70. Two points here. Those on the higher wages will not be insentivised by that. A night out at best. those on lower wages usually go for broke when going sick. By that I mean that if they lose the money for one day there is less incentive to hurry back. I say this without condoning the attitude but understanding it.
They have been trying to replace the bonus with an attendance scheme for years. Seems like its coming....
A wise man very well connected told me that DH will be rented out within 4 years and most things in there contracted out. Funnily enough this included Personnel (I hate the HR title) No ones job is safe in this topsy turvy world. It would be Karma indeed.
I hope that everyone told the truth in their survey responses.....I would imagine the Security ones to be illuminating..
They have been trying to replace the bonus with an attendance scheme for years. Seems like its coming....
A wise man very well connected told me that DH will be rented out within 4 years and most things in there contracted out. Funnily enough this included Personnel (I hate the HR title) No ones job is safe in this topsy turvy world. It would be Karma indeed.
I hope that everyone told the truth in their survey responses.....I would imagine the Security ones to be illuminating..
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call100, I may very well know who you are talking about when you talk about 'DH Slackers' but not everyone reading your comments will. I'm sure you don't mean to give the impression that all DH staff are a waste of space but that is a danger when using such general terms. Most of the staff I know in DH are as dedicated to the business as anyone, and I know many Middle Managers who feel as frustrated and disenfranchised as most. Apart from the terminology you make some excellent points and the craze for outsourcing is ruining the quality of the service.
The target setting for the business (not just the bonus) has been unrealistic since 2003 to say the least, hopefully this may now get back on track.
The situation BIA is in now is the result of years of complacency going back into the 90s. The steering of BIA has been in the hands of a few misguided individuals at times. There has been a heads in the sand approach coupled with a lack of ambition and foresight.
The target setting for the business (not just the bonus) has been unrealistic since 2003 to say the least, hopefully this may now get back on track.
The situation BIA is in now is the result of years of complacency going back into the 90s. The steering of BIA has been in the hands of a few misguided individuals at times. There has been a heads in the sand approach coupled with a lack of ambition and foresight.
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You are right and I apologise to you and all the decent staff in DH for using too much of a generalisation. I agree that some middle managers are frustrated. The problem is they very rarerly voice their frustrations in the right forums. Many are afraid to voice too much of an opinion. Those that do are generally ignored and told to tow the party line, however misguided.
Things are not helped by certain directors not seeing eye to eye..
On the subject of the Corsair.
I do know all the details but don't feel that the details of security issues should be discussed on an open forum. I will say though that it had nothing to do with the company that is being exposed in tonights programme. I can also confirm that it was a bit of a storm in a teacup.
Things are not helped by certain directors not seeing eye to eye..
On the subject of the Corsair.
I do know all the details but don't feel that the details of security issues should be discussed on an open forum. I will say though that it had nothing to do with the company that is being exposed in tonights programme. I can also confirm that it was a bit of a storm in a teacup.
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Anybody working at the airport that has seen what the ITV programme is revealing?(As if we need to know more!) Drug dealing, drinking etc. If this is an example of a UK major international airport, then what are we flying for!
This a disgrace. CO and Air India PAY EXTRA for the security services and the COMPANY decide to only send 1 member of a required 18! Rediculous!
I also am ashamed at ITV. They are showing the terrorists just how easy it is to do what they do, especially from BHX!
Noticed that the Security Expert (Chris Yates) was also on the Ryanair Caught Napping programme on C4 on Dispatches.
This a disgrace. CO and Air India PAY EXTRA for the security services and the COMPANY decide to only send 1 member of a required 18! Rediculous!
I also am ashamed at ITV. They are showing the terrorists just how easy it is to do what they do, especially from BHX!
Noticed that the Security Expert (Chris Yates) was also on the Ryanair Caught Napping programme on C4 on Dispatches.
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Unfortunatelty this does not suprise me at all. Remember the old saying "When you pay peanuts, you get monkeys" in this case you get ICTS im afraid. Im sure we all await the response of this investigation and hope that ICTS get their act together and start acting in a more professional manner!!!
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Pretty damning expose on ICTS...They have taken over the Airfield security from our own people. BIA management were told of the problems by their own Security staff and that the BIA staff were worried about the safety of the Airfield when ICTS took over.
The response was that of the tenders (4) ICTS were the best of a bad bunch. So rather than scrap the Idea of outsourcing they went with a known bad contractor.
As stated in the programme the only way to safeguard air travel is with a dedicated well paid workforce.....That sums it all up really
The response was that of the tenders (4) ICTS were the best of a bad bunch. So rather than scrap the Idea of outsourcing they went with a known bad contractor.
As stated in the programme the only way to safeguard air travel is with a dedicated well paid workforce.....That sums it all up really
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Hi Call100 just love the word outsourcing. After ICTS who's the next contractor to get bad mouthed. Obviously you're so wonderful at your job it would be a pleasure to have you on the TUPE list.
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noodnikHi Call100 just love the word outsourcing. After ICTS who's the next contractor to get bad mouthed. Obviously you're so wonderful at your job it would be a pleasure to have you on the TUPE list.
I am wonderful at my job. As were all the others who were outsourced (as you like the word..Weird) The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Any function that has been outsourced/Contracted out (whatever!) has deteriorated in quality. I suppose you are still of the mind that the security change was good? Sorry but I know its gone down hill in just a few weeks...
If you are to do with ICTS....Get them to pull their socks up and try doing it right...
Oh and one thing is for sure..You will never ever get me on any TUPE list.
Unless you can come up with something other than personal insults and post something worth reading, you are just wasting space on here.
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BHX and ICTS
As airlines cut costs, low fares mean corners cut-its simple, budget airlines keep costs to a bare minimum meaning ground handling, security etc. are all barely profitable.If you dont pay decent wages, sickpay and paid holiday you don't get loyal motivated employees.
Im afraid that this is a consiquence of all of us wanting ultra low air fares. The share holders don't take a lower dividends so guess where the savings have to be made?
It would be interesting to see how much Continental Airlines paid for this security service as there fares ex BHX are very high???
"You pay peanuts you get monkeys," "you get what you pay for" come to mind.
Daza
Im afraid that this is a consiquence of all of us wanting ultra low air fares. The share holders don't take a lower dividends so guess where the savings have to be made?
It would be interesting to see how much Continental Airlines paid for this security service as there fares ex BHX are very high???
"You pay peanuts you get monkeys," "you get what you pay for" come to mind.
Daza