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06/24 runway
when was 06/24 runway last used for commercial landing/takeoff ?
i can remember from many years ago when it was used regulary by brymon from lgw/ema & british midland f27 from lhr.......... i can also remember it being used for landings for bea 1-11 and vanguard
i can remember from many years ago when it was used regulary by brymon from lgw/ema & british midland f27 from lhr.......... i can also remember it being used for landings for bea 1-11 and vanguard
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06/24
Certainly can't remember when it was last used commercially for landing
and take-off but it has sported at least one gulfy and C17 during the last week for parking purposes.
I thought I remember hearing that a BA 319 used it for for landing but that could have been 5 years ago, might be wrong though.
I have seen an empty 757 depart from 06, which was quite a sight and
plenty of 1-11's and 732's.
I have been a passenger in a 172 (more than 15 years ago though) using it but never on a schedule flight
Obviously with the prevailing wind it would have been the runway to
extend except for the railway line at one end and Solihull (and the A45)
at the other
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Pete
and take-off but it has sported at least one gulfy and C17 during the last week for parking purposes.
I thought I remember hearing that a BA 319 used it for for landing but that could have been 5 years ago, might be wrong though.
I have seen an empty 757 depart from 06, which was quite a sight and
plenty of 1-11's and 732's.
I have been a passenger in a 172 (more than 15 years ago though) using it but never on a schedule flight
Obviously with the prevailing wind it would have been the runway to
extend except for the railway line at one end and Solihull (and the A45)
at the other
.Pete
It doesn't answer your question (I'm sorry) simoncorbett, but I'm taking the opportunity of reminiscing my Solihull days and watching an IBERIA Connie landing on 06 from my bedroom window during the 1966 World Cup event.
Did a few landings on 24 myself (as pax) in Viscounts, Fk-27s Shorts 360 (BMA) and Brymon DHC-6.
I know that the runway was still available for use in 2002. Is it still technically available now days?
Did a few landings on 24 myself (as pax) in Viscounts, Fk-27s Shorts 360 (BMA) and Brymon DHC-6.
I know that the runway was still available for use in 2002. Is it still technically available now days?
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According to the BBC report on the closure of 06/24 the airport said in closing this runway it had ' joined a very select band of airports around the world which had shut unwanted runways'. Question how select is that Coventry certainly has closed one, and somewhere at the back of the mind is the idea that Bournemouth and Heathrow have also closed runways. How many more are there?
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Just so no one forgets British Midland Heralds' used the "Short" as well, running the Feeder service to LHR - always had my nose pressed close to the window as we passed through the 06 Approach lights on the A45 - just in case of catching one on very short finals in the dusk of a summers' evening - especially if 06 in use.
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Runway 06/24 is unlikely to be used a lot. The UK AIP (AD 2EGBB-1-12, 15 MAR 07, AMDT 03/07) states:
" Due to noise restriction under section 106 Planning Agreement, Schedule 5.13, no aircraft may land or take-off on runway 06/24 between the hours of 2300-0600 (local) except in an emergency, in adverse weather conditions or when runway 15/33 is not available for use".
Also, 06/24 is only 1315 x 30 m long.
TODA 06: 1384m, LDA 06: 1025m
TODA 24: 1443m, LDA 24: 1188m
There is no published ILS or NDB approach on either runway. The only instrument procedure is SRA - which requires a higher workload from ATC. According to the AIP, 06/24 also has no approach, threshold, centreline, runway edge or runway end colour wingbar lights - only (A)PAPIs.
06/24 is not to be used when Low Visibility Procedures are in force. And remember that BHX ATC now also have to sequence departures/arrivals with COV.
Cheers
" Due to noise restriction under section 106 Planning Agreement, Schedule 5.13, no aircraft may land or take-off on runway 06/24 between the hours of 2300-0600 (local) except in an emergency, in adverse weather conditions or when runway 15/33 is not available for use".
Also, 06/24 is only 1315 x 30 m long.
TODA 06: 1384m, LDA 06: 1025m
TODA 24: 1443m, LDA 24: 1188m
There is no published ILS or NDB approach on either runway. The only instrument procedure is SRA - which requires a higher workload from ATC. According to the AIP, 06/24 also has no approach, threshold, centreline, runway edge or runway end colour wingbar lights - only (A)PAPIs.
06/24 is not to be used when Low Visibility Procedures are in force. And remember that BHX ATC now also have to sequence departures/arrivals with COV.
Cheers
06/24 was permanently withdrawn from use a few months ago (even thought the closure ceremony was yesterday). The runway designators on the taxiwai and hold marker boards were also removed at that time.
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I don't think the closure has made it onto Aerads and Jepps yet as I've noticed an increase in calls from ATC in the last month telling a/c that that it is now taxiway Tango and they don't need permission to cross.
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It was last used commercially almost two years ago. It has been notam shut for quite a while. It will be known as taxiway Tango to the east and Lima to the west. The reason it has not made the various documentations is that it has only just become un-designated as opposed to just closed. (Hope that makes sense). Even a couple of years ago it was only used if prior notice was given and it could be inspected in time.
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Some idiot in the thread who said he worked at BHX stated that it has always been common knowledge that the forces were not welcome in uniform at Birmingham. I put him straight. I can guarantee I've worked at BHX for many years longer than him and it has never been common knowledge or policy.
I have in fact assisted troop flights where the lads were in uniform in the terminal all the way through to their flight on the tarmac.
I think the MOD need to answer this. They should also question who they give their contracts to airline wise.
Some idiot in the thread who said he worked at BHX stated that it has always been common knowledge that the forces were not welcome in uniform at Birmingham. I put him straight. I can guarantee I've worked at BHX for many years longer than him and it has never been common knowledge or policy.
I have in fact assisted troop flights where the lads were in uniform in the terminal all the way through to their flight on the tarmac.
I think the MOD need to answer this. They should also question who they give their contracts to airline wise.
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Quite agree. I've personally overseen many troop flights all in uniform, some to places you wouldn't want to go unless you had to, and never had any problems. These boys put their lives on the line for us and you wouldn't catch me telling them to change no matter who decreed it.
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some idiot?
This rule has always been in place, if you do ur homework before you run your mouth, just his rule has not been followed, or is unknown even by some senior staff. I even have the training manual from years ago which says ur wrong.
I not saying this rule is right or wrong i am just saying there is one. Just seems now they are getting strict on it. I even asked a one of my colleague's today who says it common knowledge as well.
If you don't know about this does not make u right, its just your company's training departments rubbish.
I not saying this rule is right or wrong i am just saying there is one. Just seems now they are getting strict on it. I even asked a one of my colleague's today who says it common knowledge as well.
If you don't know about this does not make u right, its just your company's training departments rubbish.
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There may be a 'rule' somewhere, but the fact is that it is not a BHX 'rule' - it comes from the MOD.
You obviously missed this part of the debate
, but the following is taken from a BHX press release.....
"BIA Statement Regarding Staff in Military Uniform
Under the byelaws of Birmingham International Airport (BIA), there are no restrictions relating to clothing or appearance for those using the Airport for public flights.
The Airport Company does not Police fashion, nor does it seek to single out or disrespect the uniform of the Queen, or those who wear it.
The Airport Company will continue to support the work of our service personnel across the UK and around the World.
The Airport Company will not automatically refuse to accept military personnel in uniform. "
S78
You obviously missed this part of the debate
, but the following is taken from a BHX press release....."BIA Statement Regarding Staff in Military Uniform
Under the byelaws of Birmingham International Airport (BIA), there are no restrictions relating to clothing or appearance for those using the Airport for public flights.
The Airport Company does not Police fashion, nor does it seek to single out or disrespect the uniform of the Queen, or those who wear it.
The Airport Company will continue to support the work of our service personnel across the UK and around the World.
The Airport Company will not automatically refuse to accept military personnel in uniform. "
S78
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This rule has always been in place, if you do ur homework before you run your mouth, just his rule has not been followed, or is unknown even by some senior staff. I even have the training manual from years ago which says ur wrong.
I not saying this rule is right or wrong i am just saying there is one. Just seems now they are getting strict on it. I even asked a one of my colleague's today who says it common knowledge as well.
If you don't know about this does not make u right, its just your company's training departments rubbish.
I not saying this rule is right or wrong i am just saying there is one. Just seems now they are getting strict on it. I even asked a one of my colleague's today who says it common knowledge as well.
If you don't know about this does not make u right, its just your company's training departments rubbish.
The fact that your company has it in a training manual means your company has the rule. If you work for BIA please quote the training manual. If not (as I suspect) I suggest you go back to your own company and question them.
BIA's press statement backs this up. Where do you get that they are getting strict on it? The whole point is that there is no rule and the airport has not invoked any such rule.
So contrary to your statement it is not 'common knowledge'
Oh and by the way I did do my homework and checked before the press statement was issued.
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MOD Uniforms
When I worked for BA we used to make MOD change into civvies as we were told they were not allowed to wear their uniform on BA flights. So I am assuming that must have been a BA policy.