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If they are getting aprons up and running and expanding what are they doing about the potential for pollution into Pegwell Bay. I understand that KIA have to apply for a discharge consent to do this? Anyone know what this is all about and does every airport have to apply for one?
If they are getting aprons up and running and expanding what are they doing about the potential for pollution into Pegwell Bay. I understand that KIA have to apply for a discharge consent to do this? Anyone know what this is all about and does every airport have to apply for one?
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my limited knowledge might explain the pollution topic, north side of the airport - bravo apron - drains run via pipes into an underground tank next to the spitfire museum carpark, this is then pumped away along pipes under the grass next to echo taxiway. south side of the runway has drains running along it which run into an underground pipe that goes under cliffsend to pegwell bay.runway surface fluids also run to a separater tank adjacent to a taxiway any form of surface fluid runs into these drains and tanks.
Bravo apron works nearly complete, echo apron has had the surveyors in for possible extension.
Bravo apron works nearly complete, echo apron has had the surveyors in for possible extension.
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There is no state of play, it was more of a question from Jes. This year flyBE have massive expansion taking over BA's regional routes. It is not impossible for them to be looking at for example the JER->MSE route, but my guess is not in the near future.
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I know Twitcher will be posting some good news soon, but I've picked up some bad news today. EgyptAir have been absent for some weeks now, and the reason given is a dispute between them and their forwarder.
Does anyone know more about this?
Does anyone know more about this?
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The only hint would be that Infratil, when publishing the cosmos statment, commented on how they were in talks with several "established" european airlines 
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That would be all i could guess at the moment. They want 500,000-600,00 pax within 3 years. In this cae something is happening soon
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P.S - DAS HAVE BEEN GRANTED THERE EU OP. LICENSE AGAIN!! GD LUCK TO THEM>
.That would be all i could guess at the moment. They want 500,000-600,00 pax within 3 years. In this cae something is happening soon
.P.S - DAS HAVE BEEN GRANTED THERE EU OP. LICENSE AGAIN!! GD LUCK TO THEM>
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Thats Brilliant that DAS can restart 
will they make MSE there main base? And where abouts can I find the Infratil, cosmos statment.? Just looking on the DAS site they have this picture from MSE http://www.dasair.com/images/fleet%2...e/H4%20MSE.jpg And I was wondering can they fit the DC-10 tail into the hangar?
Regards
James
will they make MSE there main base? And where abouts can I find the Infratil, cosmos statment.? Just looking on the DAS site they have this picture from MSE http://www.dasair.com/images/fleet%2...e/H4%20MSE.jpg And I was wondering can they fit the DC-10 tail into the hangar? Regards
James
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James, this is the statement:
PRESS RELEASE
Statement re Cosmos programme
Steve Fitzgerald, Chief Executive of Infratil Airports Europe, today (28.2.07) commented on the decision not to operate a summer charter programme between Kent and Virginia -
“The Virginia programme originated from the close co-operation between Kent County Council and the authorities in Norfolk.
“The 400th anniversary of the founding of the first permanent settlement at Jamestown, Virginia, in 2007 was seen as a catalyst to link the regions as many of the first settlers came from Kent.
“It presented the opportunity for a link that we were happy to support but this type of service always stood outside our core business plan for passenger development.
“We are obviously disappointed that this project will not be going ahead as planned. For various reasons, including an unfavourable exchange rate for the inbound market, it seems the demand was simply not there.
“This has not changed our view that the airport has a bright future. The Virginia programme would have been a once a week service catering for around 8,000 passengers in total.
“We believe Kent International Airport has the potential to service the domestic and short-haul, business and leisure, low cost and charter markets within Europe.
“There will be a gradual development and our business plan anticipates growth to around 500,000 – 600,000 passengers over three years.
“With excellent growth in freight traffic, the expanded charter programme from Kent Escapes and the positive discussions we are having with established European airlines we remain confident that our long-term business plan will ensure the airport has a bright future.
“Kent County Council and its partners in this venture continue to have an important role in promoting the economic development of East Kent and attracting more air services into the area is an excellent way to stimulate growth.
“We look forward to working with Kent County Council and other partners in the future.”
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February 28 2007
PRESS RELEASE
Statement re Cosmos programme
Steve Fitzgerald, Chief Executive of Infratil Airports Europe, today (28.2.07) commented on the decision not to operate a summer charter programme between Kent and Virginia -
“The Virginia programme originated from the close co-operation between Kent County Council and the authorities in Norfolk.
“The 400th anniversary of the founding of the first permanent settlement at Jamestown, Virginia, in 2007 was seen as a catalyst to link the regions as many of the first settlers came from Kent.
“It presented the opportunity for a link that we were happy to support but this type of service always stood outside our core business plan for passenger development.
“We are obviously disappointed that this project will not be going ahead as planned. For various reasons, including an unfavourable exchange rate for the inbound market, it seems the demand was simply not there.
“This has not changed our view that the airport has a bright future. The Virginia programme would have been a once a week service catering for around 8,000 passengers in total.
“We believe Kent International Airport has the potential to service the domestic and short-haul, business and leisure, low cost and charter markets within Europe.
“There will be a gradual development and our business plan anticipates growth to around 500,000 – 600,000 passengers over three years.
“With excellent growth in freight traffic, the expanded charter programme from Kent Escapes and the positive discussions we are having with established European airlines we remain confident that our long-term business plan will ensure the airport has a bright future.
“Kent County Council and its partners in this venture continue to have an important role in promoting the economic development of East Kent and attracting more air services into the area is an excellent way to stimulate growth.
“We look forward to working with Kent County Council and other partners in the future.”
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Lest We Forget
Airport Management, passenger predictions, and press releases......
Steve Fitzgerald, Feb 2007-
"Our business plan anticipates growth to around 500,000 - 600,000 passengers over the next three years." (ie, by 2010)
Steve Fitzgerald, Sept 2005-
"We are hoping to build a target figure of 700,000 passengers by 2009"
Steve Fitzgerald, Oct 2005-
(At interview) "Sure, this could become another Prestwick (2m pax) within 5 years"
EUjet, Dec 2004-
"Next year, the company hopes to fly 880,000 passengers from Thanet"
Oliver Iny, Aug 1999-
Predicts 4-6 million people at MSE.
Tony Freudman, Dec 98-
Predicts 1 million people at MSE.
I don't blame these people.
It is their job to pull a figure out of the air, try and make their airport look good, and hope for the best.
You'd have to be a simpleton to believe it though.
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Steve Fitzgerald, Feb 2007-
"Our business plan anticipates growth to around 500,000 - 600,000 passengers over the next three years." (ie, by 2010)
Steve Fitzgerald, Sept 2005-
"We are hoping to build a target figure of 700,000 passengers by 2009"
Steve Fitzgerald, Oct 2005-
(At interview) "Sure, this could become another Prestwick (2m pax) within 5 years"
EUjet, Dec 2004-
"Next year, the company hopes to fly 880,000 passengers from Thanet"
Oliver Iny, Aug 1999-
Predicts 4-6 million people at MSE.
Tony Freudman, Dec 98-
Predicts 1 million people at MSE.
I don't blame these people.
It is their job to pull a figure out of the air, try and make their airport look good, and hope for the best.
You'd have to be a simpleton to believe it though.
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"Our business plan anticipates growth to around 500,000 - 600,000 passengers over the next three years." (ie, by 2010)
All it takes is another Eujet (with proper management etc, dont go down that road again) who flew nearly 400,000 pax (dont query it just accept for now, will create an argument otherwise...) in 10 months to get an airport going
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They are giving it 3 YEARS.
There is the potential for more than one airline in that time frame.
We have to agree that the Norfolk flights were a bit "out of the way" if you can say that. Eujet were flying to spanish destinations with 109 seat A/C and filling them during the summer months.
You can see after a gap of nearly a year Seguro& Kentescapes jumped in and took over the spain routes. They proved it to be viable to land a second year deal at the airport with double the destinations i.e 20,000 pax. If that were to continue you wuld be getting roughly 60,000 from that airline alone in 2010.
If Steve is true to his word which seems to be not all that certain, he commented in the cosmos report
"positive discussions we are having with established European airlines we remain confident that our long-term business plan will ensure the airport has a bright future".
I seem to see some sense from this and dont just read straight through it!
Hangar_9
All it takes is another Eujet (with proper management etc, dont go down that road again) who flew nearly 400,000 pax (dont query it just accept for now, will create an argument otherwise...) in 10 months to get an airport going
.They are giving it 3 YEARS.
There is the potential for more than one airline in that time frame.
We have to agree that the Norfolk flights were a bit "out of the way" if you can say that. Eujet were flying to spanish destinations with 109 seat A/C and filling them during the summer months.
You can see after a gap of nearly a year Seguro& Kentescapes jumped in and took over the spain routes. They proved it to be viable to land a second year deal at the airport with double the destinations i.e 20,000 pax. If that were to continue you wuld be getting roughly 60,000 from that airline alone in 2010.
If Steve is true to his word which seems to be not all that certain, he commented in the cosmos report
"positive discussions we are having with established European airlines we remain confident that our long-term business plan will ensure the airport has a bright future".
I seem to see some sense from this and dont just read straight through it!
Hangar_9
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The value of Manston's real estate keeps going up. It's in the South East!
It doesn't matter if it just becomes a site for a weekend gliding club,
whoever owns the acres will be doing very nicely. If the odd jet
lobs in then that's an added bonus.
Perhaps Manston's acreage will be used for housing, then one day a new airport will have to be built to cater for the burgeoning population.
But in the meantime..................
It doesn't matter if it just becomes a site for a weekend gliding club,
whoever owns the acres will be doing very nicely. If the odd jet
lobs in then that's an added bonus.
Perhaps Manston's acreage will be used for housing, then one day a new airport will have to be built to cater for the burgeoning population.
But in the meantime..................
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Unfortunately, if people post inaccurate information about EUjet, I am afraid it must be corrected, despite your request not to. Although the subject is tiresome for all of us, information must be accurate for the sake of newcomers.
A) EUjet did not fly 400,000 pax in 10 months, they flew 300,000 in 11 months.
B) Knowledge of extensive promotional offers, plus examination of the company's booking engine showing low seat prices, plus load factors, plus the fact that the whole venture went bust, shows that the revenue from these flights was no good.
C) There will not be "another EUjet". Lo-co is no-go at MSE.
PS - If Kent Escapes double their pax this year, it will be 12,000, not the 20,000 you suggest.
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Unfortunately, if people post inaccurate information about EUjet, I am afraid it must be corrected, despite your request not to. Although the subject is tiresome for all of us, information must be accurate for the sake of newcomers.
A) EUjet did not fly 400,000 pax in 10 months, they flew 300,000 in 11 months.
B) Knowledge of extensive promotional offers, plus examination of the company's booking engine showing low seat prices, plus load factors, plus the fact that the whole venture went bust, shows that the revenue from these flights was no good.
C) There will not be "another EUjet". Lo-co is no-go at MSE.
PS - If Kent Escapes double their pax this year, it will be 12,000, not the 20,000 you suggest.
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That is abit harsh!
I don't know much about MSE, but I am all for expansion of small, regional airports!
Why will there be no loco at MSE? BLK got one from nowhere!
Making comments about an airport not getting an airline with such certainty, do you know something we don't?
I don't know much about MSE, but I am all for expansion of small, regional airports!
Why will there be no loco at MSE? BLK got one from nowhere!
Making comments about an airport not getting an airline with such certainty, do you know something we don't?
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No mate, all the info I have is in the public domain.
However, as a financial backer of MSE I followed the fortunes of EUjet very closely.
Lo-co may choose to come to MSE, but I can say with reasonable confidence that they would lose all their money.
A number of MSE staff have visited this forum and stated categorically that they would not wish to see another failed lo-co at the airport.
However, as a financial backer of MSE I followed the fortunes of EUjet very closely.
Lo-co may choose to come to MSE, but I can say with reasonable confidence that they would lose all their money.
A number of MSE staff have visited this forum and stated categorically that they would not wish to see another failed lo-co at the airport.
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My guess on a operator to take over would be one of the East-European boys, fling low cost into the growing market in the east.
Going along with DDs theory and no schedule airline ever flies from Manston. Can Manston survive with the following operations ? some of which do provide a local service.
SAR Operations
Humanitarian Aid Flights
All Cargo Flights
Executive Flights
Summer Holiday Flights
Transatlantic Ferry Flights
Military Flights
Private and Commercial Flight Training
ATC for Kent and the English Channel.
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On a different subject, with the new engine overhaul centre being built, Are the engines being road-ed or flown in, or a bit of both?
Going along with DDs theory and no schedule airline ever flies from Manston. Can Manston survive with the following operations ? some of which do provide a local service.
SAR Operations
Humanitarian Aid Flights
All Cargo Flights
Executive Flights
Summer Holiday Flights
Transatlantic Ferry Flights
Military Flights
Private and Commercial Flight Training
ATC for Kent and the English Channel.
---------------------------------------------------
On a different subject, with the new engine overhaul centre being built, Are the engines being road-ed or flown in, or a bit of both?
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I am told the trans-Atlantic ferries (World Airways) were a 2 year contract. There has been no news of a renewal.
Aside from this, you have provided a useful and succinct appraisal of the status quo at Manston.
How much revenue is this generating??
Infratil 19 Feb - "The key goal is to build both throughput and value from that throughput".
This suggests there is a fair old bit of "cut-price" activity on the go.
From a PR point of view, MSE needs MK and Kent Escapes so the airport looks active.
If I were running the show, I would offer favourable rates to both to keep them here.
According to press reports, under Planestation, MK were on what amounted to a half price deal. When that deal was withdrawn, they left.
I am told the trans-Atlantic ferries (World Airways) were a 2 year contract. There has been no news of a renewal.
Aside from this, you have provided a useful and succinct appraisal of the status quo at Manston.
How much revenue is this generating??
Infratil 19 Feb - "The key goal is to build both throughput and value from that throughput".
This suggests there is a fair old bit of "cut-price" activity on the go.
From a PR point of view, MSE needs MK and Kent Escapes so the airport looks active.
If I were running the show, I would offer favourable rates to both to keep them here.
According to press reports, under Planestation, MK were on what amounted to a half price deal. When that deal was withdrawn, they left.
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