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[BAladdy]

LS at LHR 04 June - 10th June

BA are once again leasing a LS aircraft to operate services ex LHR during the strike.

BA will lease a LS 737 from 04th June - 10th June. It will operate:

04th June Only

Flight No: BA496/BA497/BA704/BA705
Route:LHR/AGP/LHR/VIE/LHR

05th June - 10th June

Flight No: BA902/BA903/BA868/BA869
Route: LHR/FRA/LHR/BUD/LHR

Does anyone know if the same aircraft will remain at LHR during this period?? If not will it the aircraft be rotated with the aircraft operating MAN/BUD route (06th - 08th & 10th June)as flights will be on the ground at the same time? or will this be where a crew change will happen??

The BA flight arrives at 17:35 and doesn't depart until 18:55
The LS flight arrives at 18:20 and doesn't depart until 18:50

I know that we did get a lot of good feedback from BA pax regarding the service LS offered during the first wave of stikes.

[easyJet A321]

I better start with this before people think I'm one of the Jet2 haters but its just something that's on my mind and is no way a dig at Jet2. So Jet2 have a pretty old fleet which I'm sure we're all aware of (an average of 22.1 Years) with one B733 already 24 Years old with a large number of others reaching that age this year, when are they going to be replaced? Have Jet2 said at what age they now see as too old and need to be replaced because I'm guessing 24 or slightly over isn't that with all these cabin re-fits etc. Will these just be replaced by more used B733 or another type of the B73? series such as the new generation ones?

I'll hopefully be able to try out the new cabin next year depending on whether Jet2 or easyJet have the best flight times but have never been with Jet2 before so quite looking forward to travelling with them!

[No RYR for me]

@321. It is simple economics: if you buy an old airframe cheap and fly it a little at higher DOC's it might still be cheaper than a new more efficient airframe. The best part: you can park it a few hours a day or a few months a year without to much pain. So as long as you maintain it well there might not be any reason to go for new unless production goes way up year round then the business case for a more efficient but more expensive to buy/ lease airframe becomes viable...

So i think the engineering department is almost leading in deciding when to replace an airframe for a younger one.. they are getting the bills

[rpmac]

Last month I picked up a family member and her husband at Newcastle. Their Ryanair flight had been cancelled and so the next day they were able fly with Jet2. Asking how the flight had been the reply was .."fine. I always prefer flying with Jet2, their cabins and seats always seem better".
Age of the aircraft does not matter to many people.

[Mr A Tis]

22 years old for a B733 may seem "old" but its not unusual. The remaining Monarch B757s are 22/23 years old-their A300s are around 21 years old. The B744 fleets of BA,KLM & Lufthansa are, in most cases over 20 years old. It will be a few years too before these will be replaced.
Subject to cycles, hours & MX costs, the LS 733s could go on for some time yet. The European B732s that used to knock about were over 30 years old.

[smudgethecat]

TBH i dont think the average punter gives a toss how old the aircraft is or what it is, what they do care about is the cabins in decent nick, the ife works, the bogs flush, and it goes on time, given you have decent engineers, enough of them and a decent maintenance budget theres no reason a twenty year old 757/767 cannot deliver, as someone said monarch operate pretty succesfully with some very old aircraft.

[easyJet A321]

The replies were how I expected with the usual that people don't care how old they are, which I know. I was just wondering at what age Jet2 feel they need to be replaced and by what.

[Facelookbovvered]

A321

I think you have your answer, when it becomes clear that it cost more to operate old 737's then it will be time. The only other 737 loco with elderly 737 is baby and theirs work flat out from dawn until dusk, they aren't as old but baby seem to get more tech delays than Jet2 probably cos they work them harder.

What may alter the cost/benefit equation is the planned changes to APD in this months budget if as reported they move towards a per aircraft departure charge rather than per passenger and if its based on ETS emissions, then a cleaner aircraft may have a cost advantage (which is what Easyjet have lobbied for and i agree)

This would be a blow for Jet2 because it would lower the value of their fleet and increase costs, they also do a fair bit of ferry flights on the flip side it would reduce the purchase price of an additional aircraft.

The likes of baby with a leased fleet would be stuck with the additional cost burden, a least until lease expiry.

I don't agree that pax don't care are old the aircraft is, its just that they have no idea, i am not sure they would be to happy with " Laddies & gents welcome aboard this 23 year year old Boeing 737 flight to Malaga"

I am rather surprised that Ryanair have never picked up on this with their fuselage adds " the baby on the right will be on average 14 years older than this aircraft the Jet2 on your left will be on average 20 years older

Still one could retort that the f/o on your aircraft is being paid for this flight whilst the F/o on the Ryanair on your left is paying to do that flight!

[easyJet A321]

Thanks for your reply yeah I agree about the Ryanair thing but I have read a book about easyJet and Stelios said that is one thing in the industry never to say because it could happen to your airline. As we know accidents just happen with aircraft whatever their age.

[purplehelmet]

I think when the time comes to start replaceing the 733s jet2 will opt for a newer fleet of used 737s i cant see them switching to airbus because of the cost of retraining etc.
also i think when the 787 rolls into full production and airlines start to bin thier 757s the likes of jet2 could pick up a lot of newer 757s to replace the older ones.

[purplehelmet]

good point scratchy, i didnt think of that.i agree with you i cant see jet2 in the market for new airbus or boeing to be honest.

[airhumberside]

Might be worth looking at the Allegiant business model here when reviewing Jet 2's fleet decisions. They use 'old' MD-80's (and soon B757's). Most if not all are owned, and they aren't intensively worked. They also do charter work and their own holiday packages. And they are very successful

[purplehelmet]

airhumberside. well spotted they do seem to have a similar business model.
i wonder which european airline the six 757s are coming from?

[DjerbaDevil]

The business models for JET2 and Allegiant ARE identical. Allegiant are concentrating on the MD80, while JET2 have opted for the B737 and B757. Now Allegiant is wanting to expand to Hawaii and have signed an agreement with Thomson to take 6 of their B752's. I assume the foregoing since Thomson is providing the first two B752s. This is Allegiant news:
Allegiant Travel Company announced it has signed a forward purchase agreement to acquire six Boeing 757-200 aircraft.

The introduction of the 757 aircraft will enable Allegiant to expand its leisure travel strategy into Hawaii with flights to be operated by Allegiant Air, LLC, its airline subsidiary.

Allegiant plans to take delivery of these aircraft and place them in service with Allegiant Air on the following schedule:

* Two aircraft delivered within the next two months to be placed into service in the fourth quarter of 2010

* One aircraft delivered in November 2010 and another in January 2011 to be placed into service in the first half of 2011

* Two aircraft delivered in the fourth quarter of 2011 with planned in-service dates in the first half of 2012

The six 757 aircraft are sister-ships and have been in service with a single European operator since original delivery from Boeing. The aircraft come equipped for extended twin-engine operations (ETOPS), as required for long overwater flights.

Allegiant expects to spend between $75 to 90 million through 2012 acquiring and preparing this fleet for service. While Allegiant is able to acquire and prepare the aircraft for cash, it believes it will finance some portion of the purchase.

[SAM-EMA]

Just to correct that, its Thomas Cook, as opposed to Thomson.

Hope this helps
SAM-EMA

[DjerbaDevil]

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[lagerlout]

Jet2 Leeds to Funchal

New route .....

[viscount702]

All summer 2011 fights from MAN with the exception of SSH are now one sale.

This suggest 9 based A/C can anyone confirm this and the numbers of each A/C

[DjerbaDevil]

Yesterday 23 June 2010 Newcastle Airport featured a press release headed "Jet2.com Unveils Anniversary Aircraft for Newcastle!" with a photo of the JET2 Anniversary Aircraft and a fairly extensive article of what JET2 and the Airport were doing for each other. Another feature of the press release was that "....Mr Meeson will be supplying his vintage 1945 passenger aircraft, a DH Rapide, to open proceedings.".

This press release has now disappeared........does anyone know why???? Or where it may have gone?

[edilpa]

Not sure about NCL website but it is still on the JET2 website.

Jet2.com Unveils Anniversary Aircraft for Newcastle!