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On service delivery alone I can't see LS having the death blow struck at them from the new Ryanair base. They have an established catchment at Leeds who may not particularly like the Ryanair way of doing things, as well as a good chunk of seats being sold by Jet2holidays. Someone mentioned to me the other day that LS are seeing the holiday business contributing 30% or greater in seat counts to each flight.
If there is to be a scrap at LBA then Jet2 might not be the underdog some think they are. Being established and having multiple sources for filling the seats up are heavily in their favour.
If there is to be a scrap at LBA then Jet2 might not be the underdog some think they are. Being established and having multiple sources for filling the seats up are heavily in their favour.
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Couple of question for the serious Jet2 people here. Average fleet age? Average number of tech a/c per week? The what is the average FR tech rate per week? Is there much of a difference? Condition of the Jet2 a/c? Are they that shabby?
Finally, does the average pax notice a shiny new 738 over a 733?
Finally, does the average pax notice a shiny new 738 over a 733?
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Airbourne, good questions, having only just joined pprune, i usually comment on the engineering sister site
Having worked for both airlines, i know where i would stand, and its not in the Red & grey uniform !
With an ageing fleet(20 + years) and a/c with a lot of skin repairs and a high number going tech, the average punter is starting to take note.
Having worked for both airlines, i know where i would stand, and its not in the Red & grey uniform !
With an ageing fleet(20 + years) and a/c with a lot of skin repairs and a high number going tech, the average punter is starting to take note.
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Yes, interesting questions.
It should go without saying that the average punter takes for granted that the airline they are to travel with actually operate aircraft that conforms in all respects with current safety regulations and I am sure you are not insinuating that Jet2 is less safe than Ryanair (or vice-versa) irrespective of the age or visual condition of the aircraft. Personally, I am not so sure that the age of the aircraft significantly impacts reliability either.
I would think that the average punter is more likely to remember a lack of seat reclining, seat back pockets and window blinds, and the orderly manner of boarding, than anything associated with the age of the aircraft.
It should go without saying that the average punter takes for granted that the airline they are to travel with actually operate aircraft that conforms in all respects with current safety regulations and I am sure you are not insinuating that Jet2 is less safe than Ryanair (or vice-versa) irrespective of the age or visual condition of the aircraft. Personally, I am not so sure that the age of the aircraft significantly impacts reliability either.
I would think that the average punter is more likely to remember a lack of seat reclining, seat back pockets and window blinds, and the orderly manner of boarding, than anything associated with the age of the aircraft.
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It would not be very professional of me to even hint at such a thing, in fact, your points are very valid ones.
As i currently work in airworthiness, i have a good window into aircraft reliability, and even though, like you say, the age doesn`t really make a difference, i tend to disagree on that one.
Older ones require more maintaining, the wear frequnecy is higher etc etc, i could go on all night !
The impact of aircraft going tec a lot, will, i feel, have an overall impact with the customer, they will remember the delays and hold ups, i am sure we have all been subjected to that ? !
I feel there is room at Leeds for both operators to compete fairly, without the need for either one to start the dirty advertising campaign which we are already seeing !
If commercial pressure becomes to much, other more important areas, may, get ignored !
It would not be very professional of me to even hint at such a thing, in fact, your points are very valid ones.
As i currently work in airworthiness, i have a good window into aircraft reliability, and even though, like you say, the age doesn`t really make a difference, i tend to disagree on that one.
Older ones require more maintaining, the wear frequnecy is higher etc etc, i could go on all night !
The impact of aircraft going tec a lot, will, i feel, have an overall impact with the customer, they will remember the delays and hold ups, i am sure we have all been subjected to that ? !
I feel there is room at Leeds for both operators to compete fairly, without the need for either one to start the dirty advertising campaign which we are already seeing !
If commercial pressure becomes to much, other more important areas, may, get ignored !
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The hold up and the delays. I use LBA a lot and the return flight to DUB at 2230 has NEVER left on time. Its the last sector of 6 in that rotation so there is going to be delays. Anyone who takes that flight will know what I mean.
My interest over Jet2 is one that I hope they dont lose the battle to FR when they enter LBA more. What is the interior of a 733 like? are any of those a/c QC's? Is it down to the product, service and price.....or just price?
FR might have nearly 200 shiny BOEING 737-800 NEXT GENERATION AIRCRAFT (does the average punter even know what that is) but who remembers 21 shabby, dirty, loud 737-200's? Incidentally, what was the tech rate for the 200's?
Is the battle between Jet2 and FR going to come down to price only?
My interest over Jet2 is one that I hope they dont lose the battle to FR when they enter LBA more. What is the interior of a 733 like? are any of those a/c QC's? Is it down to the product, service and price.....or just price?
FR might have nearly 200 shiny BOEING 737-800 NEXT GENERATION AIRCRAFT (does the average punter even know what that is) but who remembers 21 shabby, dirty, loud 737-200's? Incidentally, what was the tech rate for the 200's?
Is the battle between Jet2 and FR going to come down to price only?
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Originally Posted by airboune
FR might have nearly 200 shiny BOEING 737-800 NEXT GENERATION AIRCRAFT (does the average punter even know what that is)
I would rather travel in a 737-300 say than an Airbus 320, most people might think me a loon for saying than, but I prefer the 737 having used the A320 with Monarch.
The interior is fine, Leather and comfy with jet2, use them 3 times a year.
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Is the battle between Jet2 and FR going to come down to price only?
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Originally posted by Ernest Lancs
I would rather travel in a 737-300 say than an Airbus 320, most people might think me a loon for saying than, but I prefer the 737 having used the A320 with Monarch.
I would rather travel in a 737-300 say than an Airbus 320, most people might think me a loon for saying than, but I prefer the 737 having used the A320 with Monarch.
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I have to agree with Ernest in prefering to fly on any Jet2 aircraft to any Monarch, cram as many in as we can if they won't pay for extra leg room, aircraft. He's not the only one who does not like the Monarch Scheduled offering, these days.
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We were scheduled to fly from MAN to ALC on 12 August 2009, however the service was cancelled and we were bussed to LBA and the flight left from there. We eventually arrived about two and a half hours later which meant we missed an onwards connection. As a result, I'm trying to claim from the travel insurance now as we have a policy that covers missed connections.
I am however interested in the reason for the cancellation if anyone is privvy to this information. We were told at MAN that the plane tasked with our flight was delayed in AGP, however according to the flight stats on that day, whilst the AGP-MAN flight was delayed by 256 minutes, it wasn't due to depart until AFTER our MAN-ALC flight.
It seems that there were several delays with Jet2 757s operating at MAN that day. Looking at the timetable, it would appear that the MAN-ALC rotation follows on from the MAN-PMI service on same aircraft. I read that the MAN-PMI flight ended up using the aircraft scheduled for MAN-MJV and that service followed upon return of the inbound PMI-MAN. If that is the case, what happened to the aircraft that was initially scheduled to operate MAN-PMI in the first place? Surely that would have been parked overnight? Did it go tech?
It's driving me mad as I can't fathom it out; especially as I can smell a rat with the AGP delay story, so I'd appreciate any feedback.
Thanks in advance.
I am however interested in the reason for the cancellation if anyone is privvy to this information. We were told at MAN that the plane tasked with our flight was delayed in AGP, however according to the flight stats on that day, whilst the AGP-MAN flight was delayed by 256 minutes, it wasn't due to depart until AFTER our MAN-ALC flight.
It seems that there were several delays with Jet2 757s operating at MAN that day. Looking at the timetable, it would appear that the MAN-ALC rotation follows on from the MAN-PMI service on same aircraft. I read that the MAN-PMI flight ended up using the aircraft scheduled for MAN-MJV and that service followed upon return of the inbound PMI-MAN. If that is the case, what happened to the aircraft that was initially scheduled to operate MAN-PMI in the first place? Surely that would have been parked overnight? Did it go tech?
It's driving me mad as I can't fathom it out; especially as I can smell a rat with the AGP delay story, so I'd appreciate any feedback.
Thanks in advance.
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thewhitestag: Don't know specific reason for your LBA transfer but the MAN-MJV flight went 7hrs late and the MAN-AGP 5hrs late. As you say the AGP-MAN inbound was nearly a day late. Clearly there were aircraft shortages that day presumably due technical problems which required changes to minimise delays. Your ALC flight delay was considerably less than the MAN-MJV/AGP departure delays so it could have been a lot worse had you not transferred to LBA.
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IIRC, doesn't MJV only open to civilian traffic at certain times of the day, and therefore if the Jet2 aircraft misses this slot then that is where the problems start. not sure if this is the reasons for all the delays, as i also believe that if it miss's the time slot it diverts to ALC and coach transfers, but maybe worth a thought.
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Whitestag, Sorry you had a problem with your travel, and I can't help you with a reason for the delays, but your post has made me curious as to why you would use Alicante to make a flight connection.
Was your destination airport not available direct from the UK?
Was your destination airport not available direct from the UK?
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MJV is open during the mornings midweek for the period mid-Jul until the first week of Sep and then the window shuts again and it's only open during the mornings on a Sat and Sun.
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Jet2 at East Midlands
Jet2.com Arrives at East Midlands Airport Creating Seven New Routes...and 250 New Jobs
Friendly low fares airline Jet2.com launches new base at East Midlands Airport
The airline will offer low fare seat-only destinations from East Midlands Airport to Lanzarote, Corfu, Dalaman, Heraklion, Paphos, Tenerife and Sharm El Sheikh which are available to book today for departures from May 2010, with incredible starting fares from £59.99 one way including taxes. It will also be possible to book package tours through Jet2holidays.com to these destinations from £269 per person for seven nights.
In addition, the new routes will bring over 250 new jobs into the area within Jet2.com, the airport and supporting industries, as well as bolstering the tourism industry and region as a whole.
Ian Doubtfire, Managing Director at Jet2.com said, “At a time when many competitors are cutting services and closing bases, we are increasing ours with our ambitious expansion into the Midlands which will be our seventh base to date within the UK. We see the region as having huge growth potential for our leisure business and the exceptional transport links to the airport allows us to extend Jet2.com’s catchment area further into Derby, Leicester, Nottingham, Sheffield and surrounding areas.
“We are bringing with us our winning formula, offering people what they want; great holiday destinations, low fares, sociable flight times and a friendly service. It is fantastic that we can now offer flights from the Midlands and we are confident that our close relationship with the airport will see our presence grow further.
“I hope that leisure travellers and overseas property owners alike will be delighted with the news that they can travel direct to popular destinations on a budget, and we urge them to book now for our lowest fares at Jet2.com. We look forward to welcoming them onboard soon.”
Seven new routes and starting fares from East Midlands Airport for summer 2010 are:
·Lanzarote, Arrecife from £59.99 one way including taxes, departing 20th May 2010
·Turkey, Dalaman from £69.99 one way including taxes, departing 21st May 2010
·Corfu from £59.99 one way including taxes, departing 24th May 2010
·Greece, Heraklion from £69.99 one way including taxes, departing 25th May 2010
·Cyprus, Paphos from £69.99 one way including taxes, departing 19th May 2010
·Tenerife from £59.99 one way including taxes, departing 21st May 2010
·Egypt, Sharm El Sheikh from £79.99 one way including taxes, departing 22nd May 2010
Penny Coates, Chief Executive at East Midlands Airport said, “The news that Jet2.com will open a brand new operation from East Midlands Airport next year is extremely encouraging for the airport and the region as a whole. This news is a positive indicator for the future and puts East Midlands Airport in a strong position as we continue to extend and develop our route network.”
Interviews with Ian Doubtfire, Managing Director of Jet2.com and Penny Coates, Managing Director of East Midlands Airport will be available from 9am until 12.30pm. Please contact the Jet2.com press office on 0113 243 1355 or the East Midlands Airport press office on 0845 1088542 to arrange a time slot or for more information.
