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Old 11th Aug 2009, 21:00
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I fully agree with you that Jet2 are a more responsible airline than Ryanair in respect of care of passengers in the event of a disruption.

However, your statements regarding the frequency of cancellation of Ryanair flights do not stand scrutiny. How many passengers did Ryanair carry last year 55 maybe 60 MILLION?
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Old 11th Aug 2009, 21:11
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How about a new billboard for your aircraft:

'FRIENDLY NO-CHAV FARES'
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Old 11th Aug 2009, 21:36
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im just saying that there are some passengers out there that just cause loads of trouble onflights and have no respect for crew or other passengers, drinking their own alcohol, swearing, thinking its a pub not an aircraft!
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Old 11th Aug 2009, 21:48
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JET2KRAZEY, RYR barely cancel flights in relation to the amount of rotations that are operated. Secondly if LS were to move to the holidays business, they would have a bit of difficulty with well TCX,MON and the TUI group.

LS have had a great monopoly at LBA, but with RYR becoming a based carrier, LS will need to think quickly. Heard on the air traffic radios earlier,
CHAVEX 341 sorry I meant to say We're f@ucked 341
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Old 11th Aug 2009, 22:08
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RYR barely cancel flights in relation to the amount of rotations that are operated. Secondly if LS were to move to the holidays business, they would have a bit of difficulty with well TCX,MON and the TUI group.
They already have gone into the holidays business, with Jet2Holidays. Jet2.com is also the UK's 4th largest CHARTER airline now.

Everybody seems to think that just because Ryanair are basing 2 aircraft at LBA that Jet2 will suddently disappear. That won't happen, PM's words this morning were very strong and he is not going to let O'Leary walk over his pride and joy.

Jet2Krazey is correct, Jet2 do carry some very affluent clientel from LBA. If you don't believe it, come to check in around 11am any day of the week for the NCE, BGY, VCE, GVA, TLS etc. Jet2 do have a very loyal following, I can guarantee you will not see a single Jet2Plus passenger step onboard a Ryanair Aircraft. The ones that have, have come back to Jet2. I'm saying that because I deal with these passengers every day.

Jet2 compete quite happily with easyJet, bmi baby, Monarch and Ryanair at its other bases so what makes LBA any different? The Ryanair base will increase passenger numbers at LBA, when Ryanair fly twice daily to the spanish sun routes Jet2 does, thats the time PM needs to start worrying.

Jet2 are here to stay, if you dont believe me lets see whats happening a year from now.
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Old 11th Aug 2009, 22:21
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Hmm righthandrule, LS aren't worried? Jet2 aren't exactley the biggest airline and as JET2KRAZEY spoke about just moving into the holiday market, it wouldn't work.

Never once did I say there weren't people within the LBA who didn't have money, that was a tongue in cheek remark. Yes we will see what will become of this in 12 months time. Niche routes and high yielding routes destroyed, passengers always vote with their feet.

Example. BE tried BHD/LPL a good while ago. What happened? Cancelled the route, no passengers. RYR opened BHD/LPL. What happened? Frequency is being increased to 3x daily, with very nice healthy loads.

Those patch work quilt tractors sorry I mean this very modern 20 year old+ 737-300s aren't of the highest reliability are they? Meanwhile one of the most modern jetliners currently the 737-8AS are crossing the pond monthly and being slotted into the rotations and the older 7-8 year old ones are on there way out. Who's more operationally reliable?

JET2 will cut back, and lets face it RYR can sustain very low fares for quite a long time.

BTW just because you interact with the passengers on a daily basis, doesn't mean much. the LS monopoly is coming to an end. Why waste money to board a tatty 733 when you are able to board a nice modern jetliner plus its alot cheaper.
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Old 11th Aug 2009, 22:31
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Just because you want to see it that way, doesn't make it so, the airport have not risked falling out with Jet2 off the back of two based units, Leeds has very little overnight parking available so its unlikely that you see a mass of based units. When the came to EMA & BHX people talked about 12 based units, it never happened, but if you get 5 minutes tomorrow go on say the East Midlands web page arrivals you will be stunned, its lake a plague of Zero's over Honolulu.

How long do you think LBA-BFS will last against BHD-LBA with Ryanair before the aircraft goes down to the med, if you want the answer look at bmibaby website for EMA-BFS in Jan 2010 £0.04p plus tax £18:99 all in this why the share price is down (Jet2) because it will dilute earnings
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The Jet2 flights to KRK in 2010 seem to have been removed from the timetable unless I just imagined seeing them a few days ago.
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 11:52
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Dart share price:
28 July - 55.5 pence
29 July - Dart announce profits on Jet2 have tripled
3 August - 68 pence
10 August - 67.5 pence
11 August - Ryanair announce a new base at Leeds
12 August - 55 pence
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 12:14
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Question

Inkjet, you mentioned BHD - LBA with FR, is this likely to happen in the future as wasn't one of the new routes announced yesterday?
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First casualty Krakow now dropped next year.
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 14:21
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you mentioned BHD - LBA with FR, is this likely to happen in the future as wasn't one of the new routes announced yesterday?
Lord I hope not!!!
LBA more than adequately covered by FlyBE from BHD and Jet2 from BFS. Already competitive services keeping prices reasonable and frequencies up to 6 per day!!! What would FR really achieve, save you a fiver if you don't check in baggage, waow!!
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 15:50
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you mentioned BHD - LBA with FR, is this likely to happen in the future as wasn't one of the new routes announced yesterday?
Bhd seems to have a rule whereby FR are not to compete on any routes already served by another carrier. Air Berlin operated STN/BHD during the early days of FR at Bhd. Only when Air Berlin pulled the route did FR announce their intention to operate it. Bhd is probably one of only a couple of airports that can talk down to FR!!!
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 18:43
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"Why waste money to board a tatty 733 when you are able to board a nice modern jetliner plus its alot cheaper"

No offence but myself personally wouldnt care weather it was a 20yr old 737 or a barnd new one! Who takes that into account when booking your ticket! unless i was a plane spootter!
A seat is a seat! as as long as the airline gets me from A to B and looks after me, and Jet2 always look after their pax, the only thing i look at is the price! but i would still rather fly with anyone than Ryanair, fares maybe low but onboard products are very pricey compared to Jet2. Jet2 also offer on longer routes IFE, and there is Jet2 plus as well as Myjet2 for loyal customers, and 1st 7 rows on the 757 being extra leg room! 34inches! more than most longhaul carriers!

Also over the winter the Jet2 aircraft are going through a phase of cabin refits with brandnew seating and carpets, the new seats give you and extra 2 inches leg room, and thats set at the standard 28in seat pitch due to there design! so unless your a plane spotter most people wont know there on a 20yr old aircraft! Just look at G-LSAC thats had the new seats fitted and carpets and looks very modern inside now! pax love the leg room! I dont think the aircrafts look that tatty at all, Even as they are now before the refits! ive flown on worse with other carriers!

ACRO Aircraft Seating - Passenger seats

Check out the website for the new seats!
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 19:26
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G-LSAC looks very good in the inside, indeed. Been there when the new seats were fitted. The winglets look great as well.

Humm..what about this "message" for the passengers at the website today? Anything to do with Ryanair coming into Leeds? Noooooo

"Don´t be robbed! 22kg Baggage Allowance from £7.99 with Jet2.comOther Airlines will charge YOU £115! Jet2.com, the friendly low fares airline, offers the best deals on flights and baggage – don´t be fooled by some of the robbers out there with hidden charges! The benefits of travelling with Jet2.com include:
  • 22kg baggage allowance from £7.99 one way – on other airlines this could cost YOU £115! (£230 return)
  • Seat Allocation – Be sure to sit with your family, on some other airlines you’ll have a mad rush to grab a seat!
  • Sports Equipment costs £20 one way with Jet2.com – some other airlines will charge YOU over £74!
  • FREE ONLINE Check-in for Hand baggage with Jet2.com – some other airlines will charge YOU!
  • AIRPORT Check–in with Jet2.com will only cost you £3 each way – on some other airlines YOU will be charged a staggering £40 each way!
Don’t be fooled by other airlines – YOU will be robbed – for a cheap flight with transparent pricing don’t delay – book with Jet2.com TODAY"
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 19:29
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Good for Jet2. Well done.
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 19:34
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I dont think the aircrafts look that tatty at all, Even as they are now before the refits!
Beg to differ. Flew on AE last year and it was, lets say, depressing.
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"Bhd seems to have a rule whereby FR are not to compete on any routes already served by another carrier"

I suspect this will not be the case for much longer. Flybe do not seem to be interested in BHD any longer. Routes like NQY although summer only have been withdrawn together with the short lived IOM and frequencies on other routes have been reduced considerably. Also the number of based units is reducing.

I do hope FR start LBA, at least the fares will be more competitive than Flybe and flights are more likely to be on time. Remember Flybe operated LPL from BHD for a time and couldn't make it work yet FR have made a success of it and are adding an extra rotation for the winter schedule.
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737 cabin upgrades are nearly complete, the remaining few frames are to be done over the winter on their annual trip to Belgrade.

As for the 757's, new seats for AA, AB, AD, AE over the coming months, winglets to be added to two more aircraft.

Jet2 has superior levels of service, the crew are fantastic and really do make the airline what it is. It will be very interesting to see what happens over the coming months, my bet is that the leased aircraft will be going back to the lessors at the end of this summer season and will not re-appear next year, even though G-LSAJ is a lovely aircraft. MAN will gain more routes to longer haul destinations with Jet2 taking seat allocations on their current charter routes. I see the likes of LPA, KGS, BJV coming, similarly at LBA with SSH going year round aswell as an increase on DLM, also Thomas Cook and Jet2 have a very good business relationship, with more Thomas Cook holidays being operated on Jet2 aircraft over the coming months.

there is Jet2 plus as well as Myjet2 for loyal customers, and 1st 7 rows on the 757 being extra leg room! 34inches! more than most longhaul carriers!
The new legroom seats have been a massive hit and a great generator of cash, what few realise is that in the previous configs (228Y AB, 235Y AA, AC, AD, AE, AJ, 238Y AH, AI, AG) bookings were only taken up to 228 on all 757 routes, with the seat reduction no seats that could be sold have been lost. (All aircraft now 228Y except AH, AI, AG with 232Y) 36 premium seats added with 34" legroom but Jet2 have not lost out of available seats to be sold. On each 757 flight thats around £500 extra revenue for nothing.
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 20:53
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Jet2 has superior levels of service
I think you are a little biased.

Unless there has been a major improvement this year, there is a long way to go to match ZB.
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