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I believe LH have 18 x 190 and 12 x 195 on order starting in 2009.
I can't remember where they will be based but I am sure that
Munich was mentioned to eventually replace the RJ85's and on
that basis I would have thought LCY will be in their thoughts over
the next few years as one of the operating airports subject to certification.
The split of the Lufthansa 190 and 195 order was mentioned on
another forum but I can't remember if there was an actual source
or if it was just a rumour.
Pete
I believe LH have 18 x 190 and 12 x 195 on order starting in 2009.
I can't remember where they will be based but I am sure that
Munich was mentioned to eventually replace the RJ85's and on
that basis I would have thought LCY will be in their thoughts over
the next few years as one of the operating airports subject to certification.
The split of the Lufthansa 190 and 195 order was mentioned on
another forum but I can't remember if there was an actual source
or if it was just a rumour.
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@ OltonPete. Thanks for the info! If you find any source/link please post it here. Couldn't find anything on the Embraer or LH website.
One sweet looking a/c. Any more news then on the test trials by the E190 at LCY?
One sweet looking a/c. Any more news then on the test trials by the E190 at LCY?
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Was on the flight international website about 2 weeks ago. 30 aircraft a mixture of 190's and I thought 195's. Search on Flight.. I'm sure it's there.
RJ.
Ah, here it is:
14/10/08
"Lufthansa has detailed its order for Embraer E-Jets, confirming it will take a mixture of E-190 and larger-capacity E-195 aircraft from the Brazilian airframer.
The German operator in June 2007 firmed its commitment for 30 Embraer 190 aircraft for delivery from 2009. The order was flexible in that it could include E-190s or E-195s.
While releasing its third quarter order backlog this week, Embraer revealed that Lufthansa has since decided to take 18 E-190s and 12 E-195s.
A Lufthansa spokesman confirms these figures, noting that, as delivery time nears, it is common practice for a carrier to supply a more precise break-down of its fleet plan.
"This more detailed order now reflects our belief in the strong capacity demand over the next years in this segment," says Lufthansa senior VP corporate fleet Nico Buchholz."
Was on the flight international website about 2 weeks ago. 30 aircraft a mixture of 190's and I thought 195's. Search on Flight.. I'm sure it's there.
RJ.
Ah, here it is:
14/10/08
"Lufthansa has detailed its order for Embraer E-Jets, confirming it will take a mixture of E-190 and larger-capacity E-195 aircraft from the Brazilian airframer.
The German operator in June 2007 firmed its commitment for 30 Embraer 190 aircraft for delivery from 2009. The order was flexible in that it could include E-190s or E-195s.
While releasing its third quarter order backlog this week, Embraer revealed that Lufthansa has since decided to take 18 E-190s and 12 E-195s.
A Lufthansa spokesman confirms these figures, noting that, as delivery time nears, it is common practice for a carrier to supply a more precise break-down of its fleet plan.
"This more detailed order now reflects our belief in the strong capacity demand over the next years in this segment," says Lufthansa senior VP corporate fleet Nico Buchholz."
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BACF Schedule 27th October
Does anyone know what is going on with BACF's fleet tommorrow.
EDINBURGH
Just noticed they have just Cancelled the BA8713 EDI/LCY which is usually operated by the Flightline (94 seater )146. However the return leg BA8714 is still operating as normal ex LCY. Guessing aircraft is positioning SEN/LCY. Also BA8711 the 07:20 EDI/LCY is instead of being operated by the usual RJ100 is now being operated by a 77 seater Bae146.
GLASGOW
BA8721 which is the 07:00 GLA/LCY aswell as BA8722/8725/8726/8727 LCY/GLA/LCY/GLA/LCY are also to be operated by another 77 seater Bae146.
ZURICH
BA8760 (07:45) ZRH/LCY and BA8763/8764/8767/8768 instead of being operate by the usual RJ85 now being operated by a Bae146-200
The 3 x daily LCY/DUB and the LCY/EDI/LCY/NCE/LCY/EDI Flightline are all operating with the Bae146 aicraft.
So does anyone know what is happening?? Anyone know the operator or even the registration of the two 77 seater and the extra 90+ seater 146 aicraft??
Cheers in advance for any replies.
EDINBURGH
Just noticed they have just Cancelled the BA8713 EDI/LCY which is usually operated by the Flightline (94 seater )146. However the return leg BA8714 is still operating as normal ex LCY. Guessing aircraft is positioning SEN/LCY. Also BA8711 the 07:20 EDI/LCY is instead of being operated by the usual RJ100 is now being operated by a 77 seater Bae146.
GLASGOW
BA8721 which is the 07:00 GLA/LCY aswell as BA8722/8725/8726/8727 LCY/GLA/LCY/GLA/LCY are also to be operated by another 77 seater Bae146.
ZURICH
BA8760 (07:45) ZRH/LCY and BA8763/8764/8767/8768 instead of being operate by the usual RJ85 now being operated by a Bae146-200
The 3 x daily LCY/DUB and the LCY/EDI/LCY/NCE/LCY/EDI Flightline are all operating with the Bae146 aicraft.
So does anyone know what is happening?? Anyone know the operator or even the registration of the two 77 seater and the extra 90+ seater 146 aicraft??
Cheers in advance for any replies.
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BACF Schedule 27th October
Does anyone know what is going on with BACF's fleet tommorrow.
EDINBURGH
Just noticed they have just Cancelled the BA8713 EDI/LCY which is usually operated by the Flightline (94 seater )146
Does anyone know what is going on with BACF's fleet tommorrow.
EDINBURGH
Just noticed they have just Cancelled the BA8713 EDI/LCY which is usually operated by the Flightline (94 seater )146
I was booked on the BA8713 0810 EDI - LCY on Monday 27th (i.e. in around 8 hours from now). If it hadn't been for reading your post BALaddy, I'd have woken at 0600, taxied to the airport to arrive just after 0700 to find my flight had been cancelled. Perhaps, if my luck was in, I'd have been rebooked on the 0905 or if not, I'd have to stand in a queue of grumpy people at the BA, sorry I mean Aviance, desk to have my flight changed.
Thanks to your post, I've just called BA and they have confirmed that the BA8713 has indeed been cancelled and a nice American lady has rebooked me on the 0905. As a result of this I can now warn folks in London I'll be an hour late, cancel my early taxi, have an hour longer in bed, and will be in a much better mood tomorrow morning.
However:
- At the time of my booking, ba.com asked for my mobile phone number to be used in the event of any changes to my flights. In spite of flying countless times with BA over the last few years, earning a gold card in the process, and been subject to numerous disrupted and cancelled flights during that time, I've NEVER had a single text message from BA. Why ?
- It's clear from your message that people inside BA knew about the cancellation well in advance. Why hasn't anyone made any effort to contact the passengers ? Tomorrow there's going to be a planeful of disgruntled passengers at EDI and BA's reputation is going to get (yet) another kicking.
Why, when a flight is delayed or cancelled, can't BA proactively, using the information it already has, contact its customers and tell them rather than wait for a customer service calamity to unfold at the airport ?
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I was on the Heathrow Express recently when BA texted me to say that my flight to ZRH in two hours had been cancelled due to weather, gales at LHR throwing the program and all. It does happen but I suspect CitiFlier are the poor relations as ever alas.
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Alpha 13 the only reason I knew it was cancelled was because my dad who's company had booked him on that flight called me to say that BA had emailed him to say the flight was cancelled. Then about 20 mins later he got a text from BA. I know that up until 8pm the flight was still showing as operating.
My dad's moved his meeting to early tommorrow evening so has been rebooked on a later flight and looking at the loads on the first two flights I am guessing most of the other customers have contacted BA themselves.
So it wasn't due to any inside knowledge it was down to my dad telling me.
If as you say you are a gold card holder my advise to ensure this never happens is contact the BA exec club gold line and ask them to check that the contact info they have on record is correct.
My dad, who is a gold card holder had this problem with no text messages during disruption in the past. He found that the information on his exec card record was wrong. Even though you enter a mobile number at the time of booking the system automatically pair up the booking with your exec file and puts the info on file as your primary conatct. So if this is wrong then no message will be recieved.
You could also check if you have time with the Aviance/BA ticket desk staff in EDI or you will probably find the ticket desk at LCY more helpful, that the number on your booking has been captured.
What my dad has started doing is after the booking has been made he goes into manage my booking on BA.COM checks the booking and enters his mobile number. It only takes a minute and since then he has had no problem. Contact BA also send out emails automatically when a flight is cancelled asking you to contact them
When it comes to why the flight is cancelled. I can only guess that the problem is with the aircraft in Southend where Flightline the operators on behalf of BA Cityflyer are based.
Skipness One Echo for your information Cityflyer are not a poor relation as they use the same booking and notification system as mainline services.
My dad's moved his meeting to early tommorrow evening so has been rebooked on a later flight and looking at the loads on the first two flights I am guessing most of the other customers have contacted BA themselves.
So it wasn't due to any inside knowledge it was down to my dad telling me.
If as you say you are a gold card holder my advise to ensure this never happens is contact the BA exec club gold line and ask them to check that the contact info they have on record is correct.
My dad, who is a gold card holder had this problem with no text messages during disruption in the past. He found that the information on his exec card record was wrong. Even though you enter a mobile number at the time of booking the system automatically pair up the booking with your exec file and puts the info on file as your primary conatct. So if this is wrong then no message will be recieved.
You could also check if you have time with the Aviance/BA ticket desk staff in EDI or you will probably find the ticket desk at LCY more helpful, that the number on your booking has been captured.
What my dad has started doing is after the booking has been made he goes into manage my booking on BA.COM checks the booking and enters his mobile number. It only takes a minute and since then he has had no problem. Contact BA also send out emails automatically when a flight is cancelled asking you to contact them
When it comes to why the flight is cancelled. I can only guess that the problem is with the aircraft in Southend where Flightline the operators on behalf of BA Cityflyer are based.
Skipness One Echo for your information Cityflyer are not a poor relation as they use the same booking and notification system as mainline services.
Once again one of BA's aircraft was dumped in the weeds round by the Jet Centre at London City all weekend, presumably another longer-term tech aircraft.
How much engineering presence or spares holding do BA have at London City ?
How much engineering presence or spares holding do BA have at London City ?
How much engineering presence or spares holding do BA have at London City ?
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Thanks BALaddy.
I checked the mobile number on my booking and in the Exec Club "my account" section at ba.com and they are both correct. On calling the Exec Club they confirmed that they had the correct number too, although the person I spoke to was going to do some other checks but then her screen went blank and promised to call back.
(I'm glad I called the premium "dedicated Silver cardholder" helpline number... I suppose the difference with the premium number and the regular one is that you get through to someone who can't help you more quickly ?
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It could be as you say that this is just a problem with my EC card record, but on a previous occasion when a EDI-LGW flight was cancelled (with at least 8 hours notice) the whole planeload of pax turned up at EDI at the normal time. And similar problems with other flights departing from LCY. So I think there are wider problems than just isolated data errors...
Aside from the personal inconvenience, as an IT consultant it pains me to see companies put technology in place to deliver good customer service and then squander it by lacking the ability (or the will) to use it properly.
Thanks again for your (and your Dad's ) info though, it earned me an extra hour in bed
13Alpha
I checked the mobile number on my booking and in the Exec Club "my account" section at ba.com and they are both correct. On calling the Exec Club they confirmed that they had the correct number too, although the person I spoke to was going to do some other checks but then her screen went blank and promised to call back.
(I'm glad I called the premium "dedicated Silver cardholder" helpline number... I suppose the difference with the premium number and the regular one is that you get through to someone who can't help you more quickly ?
)It could be as you say that this is just a problem with my EC card record, but on a previous occasion when a EDI-LGW flight was cancelled (with at least 8 hours notice) the whole planeload of pax turned up at EDI at the normal time. And similar problems with other flights departing from LCY. So I think there are wider problems than just isolated data errors...
Aside from the personal inconvenience, as an IT consultant it pains me to see companies put technology in place to deliver good customer service and then squander it by lacking the ability (or the will) to use it properly.
Thanks again for your (and your Dad's ) info though, it earned me an extra hour in bed
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When it comes to why the flight is cancelled. I can only guess that the problem is with the aircraft in Southend where Flightline the operators on behalf of BA Cityflyer are based.
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That is strange because the Flightline 146 that operated the EDI has 94 seats this one only had 77 pax.
He also said the aircraft that operated the the BA8714 came inbound from DUB as BA8462. This resulted in a delay of 2hrs 20mins on the BA8463..........
He also said the aircraft that operated the the BA8714 came inbound from DUB as BA8462. This resulted in a delay of 2hrs 20mins on the BA8463..........
Another of the bizarre improvisations at London City that get done on the day.
When CityJet operated to Belfast last year, at least one cancellation was covered by putting pax on the next Dublin flight and putting them in taxis from there !
When CityJet operated to Belfast last year, at least one cancellation was covered by putting pax on the next Dublin flight and putting them in taxis from there !
Haven't been to FRA for ages. 4 x to FRA it is then.
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British Airways are to withdraw the London Gatwick-Dublin service from 29 March 2009. Customers will be reaccommodated onto an alternative BA codeshare flight operated by Aer Lingus.
More information
Customers in possession of a ticket for whom the alternative flight is not suitable are covered by the following guidelines:
Rebook onto an alternative available British Airways codeshare flight operated by Aer Lingus to the same destination within a 3-day period before or after the scheduled departure time of the original flight. If the same booking class is not available, the next lowest class may be booked within the same cabin. This will be at no additional cost to the customer, and if required, the validity of the ticket may be extended.
or
Refund the ticket purchased to the original form of payment.
Affected passengers should contact their local British airways office to rebook.
Please Note:If the customers ticket includes a transfer to/from another BA service and is no longer within the minimum connection time for flights, the above option may also be used to rebook the transfer service
More information
Customers in possession of a ticket for whom the alternative flight is not suitable are covered by the following guidelines:
Rebook onto an alternative available British Airways codeshare flight operated by Aer Lingus to the same destination within a 3-day period before or after the scheduled departure time of the original flight. If the same booking class is not available, the next lowest class may be booked within the same cabin. This will be at no additional cost to the customer, and if required, the validity of the ticket may be extended.
or
Refund the ticket purchased to the original form of payment.
Affected passengers should contact their local British airways office to rebook.
Please Note:If the customers ticket includes a transfer to/from another BA service and is no longer within the minimum connection time for flights, the above option may also be used to rebook the transfer service
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Could be good for the LCY-DUB service though.