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G-LCYK went tech last night..
..problem not sorted by this morning and my flight to PMI was finally operated by 170 (LCYH). No load issues as there were only 14 PAX!!
Landed with 90 min delay, which was not to bad.
Landed with 90 min delay, which was not to bad.
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LCY-JER on a E170 ?
short little hop twice a day, existing facilities at JER to make use of !
could be worth a pop, but then again, could the airframe be made better use of elsewhere?
personally i dont see why they couldnt operate some routes ex EDI & GLA that are scheduled and not charter to places other than LCY ?
E170 ex GLA & EDI to say MAN, JER, DUB ?
cs
short little hop twice a day, existing facilities at JER to make use of !
could be worth a pop, but then again, could the airframe be made better use of elsewhere?
personally i dont see why they couldnt operate some routes ex EDI & GLA that are scheduled and not charter to places other than LCY ?
E170 ex GLA & EDI to say MAN, JER, DUB ?
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E170 LCY-IOM, please? Pretty please?
Seriously though we would like these routes. But they have to pay, and I'm sure cleverer people than me have had the abacus out and decided no.
Seriously though we would like these routes. But they have to pay, and I'm sure cleverer people than me have had the abacus out and decided no.
VLM, becoming Cityjet, ran F50s to both Jersey and the Isle of Man, and didn't get enough business to continue with them.
If you can't get enough business to cover your costs with a 50-seat, 20 year old, less than $1m turboprop, I wonder how one can hope to do well with a fleet whose smallest unit is a $35m new Embraer 170.
If you can't get enough business to cover your costs with a 50-seat, 20 year old, less than $1m turboprop, I wonder how one can hope to do well with a fleet whose smallest unit is a $35m new Embraer 170.
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I think LCY-JER with BA would do very well. A lot of Jersey locals are very very loyal to BA and there is a high proportion of Gold/Silver Exec card holders knocking around. And as we know... points mean prizes. This loyalty was VG's (and BD's on JER-LHR) biggest disadvantage.
LGW has remained strong over the past couple of years, even with the increase in a/c size from 735 to 734 (an extra 40ish seats per flight), and with BE upping rotations to 7 per day.
With many businessmen commuting several times a week to the City, there is in my opinion a potential to shift some of this business to LCY, even at the expense of an LGW rotation perhaps. Of course it all comes down to the bottom line, which I doubt any of us would be privy enough to comment meaningfully on.
Re potential other BACF routes: I don't think JER-EDI/GLA would have sustain a high enough load, but MAN perhaps would. When BACX/BACON operated JER-MAN it was rare to see a flight without a load in the high 40's even on those knackered old Dash 8-300s. However this would mean a break away from BACF's current business model (i.e. LCY routes only), and would mean treading on BE's toes somewhat. If only they would!!
LGW has remained strong over the past couple of years, even with the increase in a/c size from 735 to 734 (an extra 40ish seats per flight), and with BE upping rotations to 7 per day.
With many businessmen commuting several times a week to the City, there is in my opinion a potential to shift some of this business to LCY, even at the expense of an LGW rotation perhaps. Of course it all comes down to the bottom line, which I doubt any of us would be privy enough to comment meaningfully on.
Re potential other BACF routes: I don't think JER-EDI/GLA would have sustain a high enough load, but MAN perhaps would. When BACX/BACON operated JER-MAN it was rare to see a flight without a load in the high 40's even on those knackered old Dash 8-300s. However this would mean a break away from BACF's current business model (i.e. LCY routes only), and would mean treading on BE's toes somewhat. If only they would!!
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New route from Bahrain !
When do BA renew the Embraer leases ?
Dubai night stop anyone?
Bombardier vice-president of commercial aircraft programmes Ben Boehm says that the airframer "can create an airplane" for Gulf Air, one that deploys "a lightweight business configuration" and could fly "all the way to London City from Bahrain". He adds: "That's a real need that they have."
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Cityjet's 3 year old agreement with Scot Airways end on the 31st December.
From the 31st December WX will cut the frequency of it's EDI service in half from up to 6 to 3 x daily. This is there new timetable:
AF5156 EDI 06:25 LCY 07:55 AR8 5
AF5158 EDI 07:00 LCY 08:30 AR8 x567
AF5160 EDI 08:30 LCY 10:00 AR8 6
AF5162 EDI 11:05 LCY 10:35 AR8 x567
AF5166 EDI 16:45 LCY 18:15 AR8 x67
AF5159 LCY 09:00 EDI 10:25 AR8 x567
AF5161 LCY 14:40 EDI 16:05 AR8 x67
AF5167 LCY 18:45 EDI 20:15 AR8 x67
AF5169 LCY 20:35 EDI 21:55 AR8 7
The times aren't good. Hopefully BACF will add more flights.
If they wanted to set up a JER or IOM route, they could always lease some D328's from Scot Airways??.
If they leased all 5 Scot Airways aircraft they could use them to add frequency to EDI , a early LCY-GLA flight and during the day to AMS.
From BAH to LCY...... It's all in the wording.
BA could operate the A318 from BAH to LCY direct. It will have to be a very light aircraft to fly from LCY-BAH direct.
From the 31st December WX will cut the frequency of it's EDI service in half from up to 6 to 3 x daily. This is there new timetable:
AF5156 EDI 06:25 LCY 07:55 AR8 5
AF5158 EDI 07:00 LCY 08:30 AR8 x567
AF5160 EDI 08:30 LCY 10:00 AR8 6
AF5162 EDI 11:05 LCY 10:35 AR8 x567
AF5166 EDI 16:45 LCY 18:15 AR8 x67
AF5159 LCY 09:00 EDI 10:25 AR8 x567
AF5161 LCY 14:40 EDI 16:05 AR8 x67
AF5167 LCY 18:45 EDI 20:15 AR8 x67
AF5169 LCY 20:35 EDI 21:55 AR8 7
The times aren't good. Hopefully BACF will add more flights.
If they wanted to set up a JER or IOM route, they could always lease some D328's from Scot Airways??.
If they leased all 5 Scot Airways aircraft they could use them to add frequency to EDI , a early LCY-GLA flight and during the day to AMS.
could fly "all the way to London City from Bahrain
BA could operate the A318 from BAH to LCY direct. It will have to be a very light aircraft to fly from LCY-BAH direct.
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Wasn't VLM's LCY-JER/IOM more or less a parking exercise, with the aircraft operating to the islands after early morning cross-channel runs at off-peak times and spending hours on the round at IOM and JER before being brought back to LCY on the afternoon.
That said, flight timings were not exactly great and did, of course, not allow day returns. However, it must be said that VLM initially operated like three flights a day to JER and could not make them work. I am not sure if that was all because of their non-alignment to one of the alliances (they have done nicely for 15 years on many LCY routes)
That said, flight timings were not exactly great and did, of course, not allow day returns. However, it must be said that VLM initially operated like three flights a day to JER and could not make them work. I am not sure if that was all because of their non-alignment to one of the alliances (they have done nicely for 15 years on many LCY routes)
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Domestic, single cabin Euro traveller.
European duel cabin club Europe / Euro traveller.
seating 2/2
All seats very large and roomy. More space than an Airbus with a bigger seat pitch.
European duel cabin club Europe / Euro traveller.
seating 2/2
All seats very large and roomy. More space than an Airbus with a bigger seat pitch.
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One of the main reasons VLM's LCY-JER never worked is due to the fact there are a large number of JER travellers that hold BA gold cards, hence BA was always the airline of preference when travelling to London. I believe that JEA operated relatively successfully prior to this in the baby Dash.
If BACF decided to run say a LCY-JER-LCY or even a LCY-GCI-JER-LCY twice a day I'm sure they could be highly successful given the strong loyalty (in JER) to BA, in GCI's case BA haven't operated there for what 8/9 years, but a legacy carrier would be welcomed I'm sure.
One of the main reasons VLM's LCY-JER never worked is due to the fact there are a large number of JER travellers that hold BA gold cards, hence BA was always the airline of preference when travelling to London. I believe that JEA operated relatively successfully prior to this in the baby Dash.
If BACF decided to run say a LCY-JER-LCY or even a LCY-GCI-JER-LCY twice a day I'm sure they could be highly successful given the strong loyalty (in JER) to BA, in GCI's case BA haven't operated there for what 8/9 years, but a legacy carrier would be welcomed I'm sure.
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BA Cityflyer's latest E190, G-LCYN, is to be handed over at tonight's ceremony at the factory in Brazil.
The aircraft will be the 700th E-Jet delivered and it will wear 2 special stickers to celebrate this occasion. The aircraft will arrive in the UK on the 10NOV.
Photo here: Aero World News Photos
The aircraft will be the 700th E-Jet delivered and it will wear 2 special stickers to celebrate this occasion. The aircraft will arrive in the UK on the 10NOV.
Photo here: Aero World News Photos
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BA management were very upbeat about the peformance of BACF when the half year results were announced last week. Yields are good and in order to allow LHR long-haul to grow, some short-haul capacity will have to move from LHR to LCY. Didn't realise that BA had 16 options remaining for the E-190!
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S11 Charter Timetable
As previously posted, BACF will increase there charter operations during the S11 season.
Below is a list of flights BACF will operate during the peak S11 timetable. Some flight numbers are not yet assigned. Further changes are expected.
FRIDAY
Aircraft 1
BA4515 GLA 06:00 MAH 10:00
BA4516 MAH 10:50 GLA 12:50
Aircraft 2
BA4518 PMI 10:40 GLA 12:40
BA4517 GLA 13:25 PMI 17:25
+++ a/c ops LCY-PMI-GLA-PMI-LCY++++
SATURDAY
Aircraft 1
BA4511 EDI 06:00 IBZ 10:10
BA4520 IBZ 10:55 NCL 12:55
BA4519 NCL 14:00 IBZ 18:00
BA4512 IBZ 18:50 EDI 21:00
Aircraft 2
BA4525 GLA 07:00 AGP 11:10
BA45xx AGP 12:00 ABZ 14:20
BA45xx ABZ 15:00 AGP 19:25
BA4526 AGP 20:05 GLA 22:20
Aircraft 3
BA4521 GLA 07:40 PMI 11:40
BA45xx PMI 12:20 ABZ 14:30
BA45xx ABZ 15:10 PMI 19:25
BA4522 PMI 20:05 GLA 22:05
Aircraft 4
BA4513 EDI 11:00 MAN a 11:55 MAN d 12:40 CAG 16:40
BA4514 CAG 17:30 MANa 19:30 MANd 20:05 EDI 21:00
Aircraft 5
BA4527 GLA 14:55 ALC 19:00
BA4528 ALC 20:00 GLA 22:15
SUNDAY
Aircraft 1
BA4535 GLA 05:35 IBZ 09:45
BA4536 IBZ 10:25 GLA 12:35
Aircraft 2
BA4533 GLA 05:45 AGP 10:10
BA4534 AGP 10:50 GLA 13:15
Aircraft 3
BA4531 GLA 06:00 PMI 10:00
BA4532 PMI 10:40 GLA 12:40
Aircraft 4
BA45xx GLA 06:30 FAO 09:40
BA45xx FAO 10:20 GLA 13:30
Aircraft 5
BA4537 EDI 07:00 PMI 11:00
BA4538 PMI 12:00 EDI 14:10
Below is a list of flights BACF will operate during the peak S11 timetable. Some flight numbers are not yet assigned. Further changes are expected.
FRIDAY
Aircraft 1
BA4515 GLA 06:00 MAH 10:00
BA4516 MAH 10:50 GLA 12:50
Aircraft 2
BA4518 PMI 10:40 GLA 12:40
BA4517 GLA 13:25 PMI 17:25
+++ a/c ops LCY-PMI-GLA-PMI-LCY++++
SATURDAY
Aircraft 1
BA4511 EDI 06:00 IBZ 10:10
BA4520 IBZ 10:55 NCL 12:55
BA4519 NCL 14:00 IBZ 18:00
BA4512 IBZ 18:50 EDI 21:00
Aircraft 2
BA4525 GLA 07:00 AGP 11:10
BA45xx AGP 12:00 ABZ 14:20
BA45xx ABZ 15:00 AGP 19:25
BA4526 AGP 20:05 GLA 22:20
Aircraft 3
BA4521 GLA 07:40 PMI 11:40
BA45xx PMI 12:20 ABZ 14:30
BA45xx ABZ 15:10 PMI 19:25
BA4522 PMI 20:05 GLA 22:05
Aircraft 4
BA4513 EDI 11:00 MAN a 11:55 MAN d 12:40 CAG 16:40
BA4514 CAG 17:30 MANa 19:30 MANd 20:05 EDI 21:00
Aircraft 5
BA4527 GLA 14:55 ALC 19:00
BA4528 ALC 20:00 GLA 22:15
SUNDAY
Aircraft 1
BA4535 GLA 05:35 IBZ 09:45
BA4536 IBZ 10:25 GLA 12:35
Aircraft 2
BA4533 GLA 05:45 AGP 10:10
BA4534 AGP 10:50 GLA 13:15
Aircraft 3
BA4531 GLA 06:00 PMI 10:00
BA4532 PMI 10:40 GLA 12:40
Aircraft 4
BA45xx GLA 06:30 FAO 09:40
BA45xx FAO 10:20 GLA 13:30
Aircraft 5
BA4537 EDI 07:00 PMI 11:00
BA4538 PMI 12:00 EDI 14:10
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Does Cityflyer find useful weekend work for hte E170s as well? I am sure the E190s contribute a lot to the bottom line with these charter flights, so having the E170s sitting on the ground for almost two days with little to no work must make them look rather unattractive for the bean-counters from a comparative perspective.