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well the daily delta JFK service has been running late for the past week, continental has been uneffected as far as i know.....
delta and US has had an horrid time of late......
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delta and US has had an horrid time of late......
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The JFK service on DL normally has to wait in line for 1 to 2 hours due to congestion, hence it is always difficult to be on time. Saturday morning arrival from JFK was cancelled due to engine surges on climb out. Luckily it was fairly empty, so not much fuel burn, and landed nicely although you could feel the struts taking a heavy load.
All the US routes into MAN always change aircraft at the transatlantic arrival/departure point. For instance Sunday mornings DL 757 started in Boston, then became the MAN flight. The US 330 from PHL used to come in from San Juan, or somewhere, although I believe this has changed.
All the US routes into MAN always change aircraft at the transatlantic arrival/departure point. For instance Sunday mornings DL 757 started in Boston, then became the MAN flight. The US 330 from PHL used to come in from San Juan, or somewhere, although I believe this has changed.
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Manchester Airport ‘must grow or die’ -report
Just discovered this little gem on UK Airport News.
All sorts of interesting nuggets for discussion in this one including "half of the emissions around airports are caused by standing traffic".
Always struck me that over the years there have been a lot of regional talking shops which come up with regional strategies that quietly get dropped with little achieved. And it's all very well talking about growth at MAN but where is it all going to come from - especially with the present economic state ( which of course is only a blip....
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Enjoy
Suzeman
23.06.08
Civic leaders need to concern themselves less with carbon footprints and more with effective planning to ensure that Manchester Airport becomes the focal point for growth in the region, Crain's say, quoting an international expert.
Dr John Kasarda, who was recently invited to speak in the city as part of the Innovation Manchester initiative, said civic leaders needed to prioritise airport growth over environmental concerns. He said: ‘People who talk about putting caps on passenger numbers are basically putting caps on Manchester. On your ability to compete, to raise income levels at the bottom of the ladder and to attract companies from around the world'.
Dr Kasarda, a director of the University of North Carolina's Kenan-Flagler Business School and a leading exponent of the aerotropolis theory of airport-based city growth, said: ‘Stability is not an option either for passengers or cargo - you either grow or you die.’
His comments have special significance for Manchester Airport, where passenger numbers have been flat at 22 million for the past two years. However, Dr Kasarda said Manchester Airport's public ownership model meant that it possessed a unique opportunity to develop ‘both inside and outside the fence’, as long as it was not sidetracked by promises to reduce carbon levels.
He said: ‘You can go back to the Stone Age and reduce your carbon footprint to zero, but I don't know of any metropolitan area that has ever shrunk to greatness. There has to be a balance.’
Dr Kasarda argued that half of the emissions around airports are caused by standing traffic and the best way to reduce it is to better organise land use so that businesses which use the airport most are located nearby, together with a dramatic increase in road and rail capacity.
All sorts of interesting nuggets for discussion in this one including "half of the emissions around airports are caused by standing traffic".
Always struck me that over the years there have been a lot of regional talking shops which come up with regional strategies that quietly get dropped with little achieved. And it's all very well talking about growth at MAN but where is it all going to come from - especially with the present economic state ( which of course is only a blip....
)Enjoy
Suzeman
23.06.08
Civic leaders need to concern themselves less with carbon footprints and more with effective planning to ensure that Manchester Airport becomes the focal point for growth in the region, Crain's say, quoting an international expert.
Dr John Kasarda, who was recently invited to speak in the city as part of the Innovation Manchester initiative, said civic leaders needed to prioritise airport growth over environmental concerns. He said: ‘People who talk about putting caps on passenger numbers are basically putting caps on Manchester. On your ability to compete, to raise income levels at the bottom of the ladder and to attract companies from around the world'.
Dr Kasarda, a director of the University of North Carolina's Kenan-Flagler Business School and a leading exponent of the aerotropolis theory of airport-based city growth, said: ‘Stability is not an option either for passengers or cargo - you either grow or you die.’
His comments have special significance for Manchester Airport, where passenger numbers have been flat at 22 million for the past two years. However, Dr Kasarda said Manchester Airport's public ownership model meant that it possessed a unique opportunity to develop ‘both inside and outside the fence’, as long as it was not sidetracked by promises to reduce carbon levels.
He said: ‘You can go back to the Stone Age and reduce your carbon footprint to zero, but I don't know of any metropolitan area that has ever shrunk to greatness. There has to be a balance.’
Dr Kasarda argued that half of the emissions around airports are caused by standing traffic and the best way to reduce it is to better organise land use so that businesses which use the airport most are located nearby, together with a dramatic increase in road and rail capacity.
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In order to grow Manchester Airport needs to drastically improve its customer experience. I flew from Manchester Terminal 1 on 14th June and after being dropped off by the car park bus proceeded to the lifts to get to check-in. Only one of the 3 lifts were working with a queue of over 100 people waiting to use the single working lift.
We eventually got to check-in via the arrivals area and up to the "tube" linking the station to the airport.
After check-in we proceeded through security and into the duty-free area and then the passenger lounge before being shepherded into a bussing lounge to await transport to the aircraft on a remote stand. Since checking-in we had been at the airport 90 minutes and not seen daylight!!! The flight was then delayed as the ground handler had failed to clean the aircraft from the night before! This delayed us a for 45 minutes.
On arrival back at Manchester on 22nd June, the aircraft was parked on an air-bridge on Terminal 1. We walked up the air-bridge along a filthy discoloured carpet which was held down by black masking tape. On exiting the air-bridge we weant down stairs across a corridor and up some more stairs. We proceeded along the corridor were the carpet was patched up by black masking tape, was threadbare in places, and even torn which could have caused people to trip and fall.
At the end of the corridor there were two flights of stairs taking us over the departure area. The escalator and the lift here were not working and some passengers had walking difficulties. After crossing over the departures there were two flights of stairs down to the passport area, again the escalator and lift were out of order. This really is not acceptable for a so-called major airport and it is not the first time I have had a bad experience at Manchester.
Perhaps the powers that be at Manchester should visit some of the Far East airports I had just travelled through or even visit Liverpool Airport, only 30 miles away, which has a nice light terminal with working escalators, lifts and nice carpets!
We eventually got to check-in via the arrivals area and up to the "tube" linking the station to the airport.
After check-in we proceeded through security and into the duty-free area and then the passenger lounge before being shepherded into a bussing lounge to await transport to the aircraft on a remote stand. Since checking-in we had been at the airport 90 minutes and not seen daylight!!! The flight was then delayed as the ground handler had failed to clean the aircraft from the night before! This delayed us a for 45 minutes.
On arrival back at Manchester on 22nd June, the aircraft was parked on an air-bridge on Terminal 1. We walked up the air-bridge along a filthy discoloured carpet which was held down by black masking tape. On exiting the air-bridge we weant down stairs across a corridor and up some more stairs. We proceeded along the corridor were the carpet was patched up by black masking tape, was threadbare in places, and even torn which could have caused people to trip and fall.
At the end of the corridor there were two flights of stairs taking us over the departure area. The escalator and the lift here were not working and some passengers had walking difficulties. After crossing over the departures there were two flights of stairs down to the passport area, again the escalator and lift were out of order. This really is not acceptable for a so-called major airport and it is not the first time I have had a bad experience at Manchester.
Perhaps the powers that be at Manchester should visit some of the Far East airports I had just travelled through or even visit Liverpool Airport, only 30 miles away, which has a nice light terminal with working escalators, lifts and nice carpets!
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agree,
many people think manchester is a shambles of an airport, it doesnt help when you have s**t architects from the offset!
MAN is still in the 1970's. cant believe T2 was finished in 93'!!!!
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many people think manchester is a shambles of an airport, it doesnt help when you have s**t architects from the offset!
MAN is still in the 1970's. cant believe T2 was finished in 93'!!!!
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In fairness to Manchester Airport (and I am no apologist for them) but as far as T1 is concerned, it was concieved in the 1950's and openend in the 60's. It's concept is on the way to 60 years old. That long ago it was at the forefront of terminal design, since then times have changed and that is why you had the experience you had courtesy of stand 6 or 8.
I find it strange that Manchester has added to or subtracted from various bits of the building in order to satisfy the current rules, yet go abroad and no-one (especially the Spanish) gives a toss about keeping departing and arriving international pax apart. This is the reason as they had to divide the pier into segregated areas and them come up with a way of getting you into the arrivals channel. As for the lifts, well.......
In short the current ammendments appear to be well thought out, although I disagree with forcing everyone to walk through duty free to get to the gate. Terminal 3 is in a similar vain, having been the original A pier and them added to bit by bit. The 50+ stands are great, 41 to 48 leave a lot to be desired.
But as usual the management are looking at a short term fix, rather than the bigger picture. For me the sensible thing would be to extend T2, transfer all T1 work there, then flatten it and start again. Yes a trmemndous cost no doubt, but would leave a proper terminal for the 21st century, with a little future proofing it could lead the way and possibly even attract new business, as it is T1 is old and if it were human would be close to retirement. Perhaps it should!
I find it strange that Manchester has added to or subtracted from various bits of the building in order to satisfy the current rules, yet go abroad and no-one (especially the Spanish) gives a toss about keeping departing and arriving international pax apart. This is the reason as they had to divide the pier into segregated areas and them come up with a way of getting you into the arrivals channel. As for the lifts, well.......
In short the current ammendments appear to be well thought out, although I disagree with forcing everyone to walk through duty free to get to the gate. Terminal 3 is in a similar vain, having been the original A pier and them added to bit by bit. The 50+ stands are great, 41 to 48 leave a lot to be desired.
But as usual the management are looking at a short term fix, rather than the bigger picture. For me the sensible thing would be to extend T2, transfer all T1 work there, then flatten it and start again. Yes a trmemndous cost no doubt, but would leave a proper terminal for the 21st century, with a little future proofing it could lead the way and possibly even attract new business, as it is T1 is old and if it were human would be close to retirement. Perhaps it should!
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ditto!
ive often wondered, why terminal exteriors dont get a update? they could produce a great looking terminal and save alot of money.i dont think its never been tried on a large scale before...
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ive often wondered, why terminal exteriors dont get a update? they could produce a great looking terminal and save alot of money.i dont think its never been tried on a large scale before...
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The rules stating that arriving and departing passengers cannot mix are set by the DfT and also UK Customs. The idea behind it is that the DfT don't want passengers who have arrived from countries where they deem security not be to UK standard mixing with departing passengers travelling on UK airlines. It is also a Customs regulation as Tax Free products could be transferred between departing and arriving passengers. These regulations are set by UK not European authorities and that is why such segregation may not occur in other countries.
The way the Piers in T1 were designed meant that MA had no choice other than implement the current system for seperating the 2 sets of passengers. T2 & T3 have no such problems as arrivals and departures are on 2 different levels. The situation is by no means ideal, particularly on B Pier but when the regulations were set the airport adhered to them as quickly and as cost effectively as possible. It is obvious though that the current system is far from efficient in terms of ease for passengers and now the airport is looking at knocking down and rebuilding B Pier as well as remodelling C Pier. However, this in itself creates the problem of where to park aircraft whilst the piers are being redeveloped. Not an easy task and the current mish-mash of walkways will be around for at least another couple of years.
The way the Piers in T1 were designed meant that MA had no choice other than implement the current system for seperating the 2 sets of passengers. T2 & T3 have no such problems as arrivals and departures are on 2 different levels. The situation is by no means ideal, particularly on B Pier but when the regulations were set the airport adhered to them as quickly and as cost effectively as possible. It is obvious though that the current system is far from efficient in terms of ease for passengers and now the airport is looking at knocking down and rebuilding B Pier as well as remodelling C Pier. However, this in itself creates the problem of where to park aircraft whilst the piers are being redeveloped. Not an easy task and the current mish-mash of walkways will be around for at least another couple of years.
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Having read with interest the recent "pontifications" of Roverman who does his best to justify the trials and tribulations at Manchester.The facts are quite simple...The Airport Management got it wrong some time ago when they believed they were the best and had no need to go chasing low cost carriers. Complacency was, and still is rife, by a Mangement team who I am told are now made up of ex Supermarket assistants and Railway workers?Sadly, having read an article by a Senior Manager at Manchester they still think they are the best .Think again....several years ago the Manchester Evening News reported from that infamous Airport Spokesperson that Liverpool was doomed and Manchester was set to become the Hub for British Airways and Lufthansa.The rest as they say is History.Manchester has turned into a classic case of "how not to run an Airport".As a frequent Business traveller I am dismayed at the appearance of the Airport when I get off my plane into the mounds of litter (airside and lanside),walk up and down stairs due to lifts and escalators not working.Make pleasant equiries to staff who then tell you its always like that and they too blame the Management. The carpet is stuck together with tape and hand written notices are stuck on walls with the same tape used to keep the carpet together.Perhaps Roverman should get his head out of the clouds and take a look outside of Manchester.As others say there are indeed success stories right here on our doorstep in NW and NE England.You dont have to go too far outside of the UK to see how LCC have benifited regional Airports in France,Germany and of course Poland.Each of which have modern and efficient Terminal buildings.They also have pleasant staff who are proud to work there...and guess what not a roll of Black Tape in sight! Manchester was indeed a great Airport.The past 3 years has sadly seen it decline beyond all previous recognition. I recently spoke to a Senior Airline Manager at the Airport who told me that he also was ashamed at the airports decline stating that most of the "good managers had left leaving the rest well behind"...
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Yet for all these "faults" that people find, it keeps getting awards
Today it's reported that the Airports Council International Europe have named it the winning airport for those handling 10 to 25 million passengers a year. Praise was given for "it's simple, innovative approach to attracting airlines".
Today it's reported that the Airports Council International Europe have named it the winning airport for those handling 10 to 25 million passengers a year. Praise was given for "it's simple, innovative approach to attracting airlines".
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Perhaps it should recieve an award for it's "simple, innovative approach to losing airlines/routes". This year says it all when Liverpool Airport won the "TTG Airport of the year Award." and Manchester won an award for "Best UK Regional Airport." Manchester never aspired to become a REGIONAL airport!
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Hi, first of all, if this is in the wrong thread please ignor / delete. I'm flying from Manchester to Majorca on Tues 8th July - 07:15. I don't have any codes yet I wondered if any one new what aircraft we'll be on or who can recommend any sites where I can get that info - Thanks
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Its very easy to rabbit on about how nice Liverpool airport is. It had a small efficient new terminal built at an airport that didn't and still does not have that many passengers going through it on a daily basis. Much easier than having to make massive changes at a very busy crowded airport. Whilst the changes that are ongoing just now are not a final solution they will help until such time the airport can raise the huge funds to totally change the terminals to bring them up to a much better standard. I think its also worth remembering that a lot of problems are not the airports fault directly but the work shy companies that clean or deliver baggage or whatever other job it is they are meant to actually do. Remember Britain now lives off the "dont give a f**k" attitude.
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I could not believe that passengers would vote for Manchester especially for its "Innovative approach to attracting airlines" when its loosing them? (Didn't they sack their sales team? - now thats Innovation for you!)
So Just did a check on the ACI Europe Web site...Guess what.... Immediate Past President....none other than Mr Geoff Muirhead - CEO Manchester Airport!!! What ever next ...donations to the Labour Party?
Who on earth do these people think they are trying to fool. The public and airlines are walking away from the place! Take a look at Zurich,now thats a smart efficient airport.I am sure their CEO will want to come to Manchester and view an award winning airport and wonder where they went wrong?
So Just did a check on the ACI Europe Web site...Guess what.... Immediate Past President....none other than Mr Geoff Muirhead - CEO Manchester Airport!!! What ever next ...donations to the Labour Party?
Who on earth do these people think they are trying to fool. The public and airlines are walking away from the place! Take a look at Zurich,now thats a smart efficient airport.I am sure their CEO will want to come to Manchester and view an award winning airport and wonder where they went wrong?
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Manchester Airport
Passed through Terminal 1 recently for a flight at 08.00 which is smack bang in the middle of the morning peak period.
Check-in was quick and efficient and absolutely no delays at security.
Sure, the Terminal is not pretty at the moment but it is FUNCTIONAL. There was not one single flight showing a delay to the departure time.
The more observant passenger will not have failed to notice several huge signs saying 'THIS TERMINAL IS CURRENTLY UNDER RE-DEVELOPMENT - COMPLETION DUE SPRING 2009. We apologise for any inconvenience.'
Having now seen the extent of the re-development, I personally feel that it has taken some exceptionally good planning to maintain the throughput of passengers and prevent flight delays due to airport services during the re-development phase.
Check-in was quick and efficient and absolutely no delays at security.
Sure, the Terminal is not pretty at the moment but it is FUNCTIONAL. There was not one single flight showing a delay to the departure time.
The more observant passenger will not have failed to notice several huge signs saying 'THIS TERMINAL IS CURRENTLY UNDER RE-DEVELOPMENT - COMPLETION DUE SPRING 2009. We apologise for any inconvenience.'
Having now seen the extent of the re-development, I personally feel that it has taken some exceptionally good planning to maintain the throughput of passengers and prevent flight delays due to airport services during the re-development phase.
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I couldn't agree more TSR2!
I am no more a fan of Manchester airport than I am of the other British/overseas airports I use on a regular basis however I have to admit that despite the extensive redevelopment taking place the last five or six times I have passed through the airport (T1/2/3) I have experienced no extensive delays at check in, security etc including during morning/evening rushes.
Yes, it is not pretty at the moment however I do believe they are trying to change things for the better. At the end of the day, I do not use airports for their asthetically pleasing interiors - my major concern is getting through it and to my destination as quickly and with as little stress as possible.
I am no more a fan of Manchester airport than I am of the other British/overseas airports I use on a regular basis however I have to admit that despite the extensive redevelopment taking place the last five or six times I have passed through the airport (T1/2/3) I have experienced no extensive delays at check in, security etc including during morning/evening rushes.
Yes, it is not pretty at the moment however I do believe they are trying to change things for the better. At the end of the day, I do not use airports for their asthetically pleasing interiors - my major concern is getting through it and to my destination as quickly and with as little stress as possible.