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Roverman
I applaud your comments the the works being done to the taxi-ways.
It's all well and good making the concrete 50% thicker and marking the lines for larger A/C 380 etc... but as you say it has been going on for 2 years already and still going on, but once completed it will be fantastic.
Question is where will these A/C go T2 is never going to take these bigger A/C and with stand 60 being the allocated A380 stand it makes MAN look underated, I mean which carrier would want to bring their newest A/C to MAN and have PAX bussed off
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So until MAPLC sort out the terminals all we will have is new tarmac !!!!
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Fuelboy
I applaud your comments the the works being done to the taxi-ways.
It's all well and good making the concrete 50% thicker and marking the lines for larger A/C 380 etc... but as you say it has been going on for 2 years already and still going on, but once completed it will be fantastic.
Question is where will these A/C go T2 is never going to take these bigger A/C and with stand 60 being the allocated A380 stand it makes MAN look underated, I mean which carrier would want to bring their newest A/C to MAN and have PAX bussed off
.So until MAPLC sort out the terminals all we will have is new tarmac !!!!
Just a Thought
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Fuel Boy - True, the A380 doesn't feature in plans for T2 but other large types like B773, A346 and possibly B748 do and indeed some already use T2. Stands 204 and 206 have been lengthened recently to take them. The plan for A380 on Stand 60 is long gone. A380s will be served by a new stand (or stands) on the end of Pier B. Pier B will need some upgrading at the very least to the buidling structure and facilities. The apron area in question (around Stand 12) is currently closed awaiting re-construction, which will ionclude a re-alignment of Taxiway Juliet to the south as part of the dual-parallel taxiways plan. Design of this reconstruction will incorporate the A380 stand(s). Customer is EK who plan 2 x daily A380 from 2012. This will necessitate a terminal swap for EK but is in line with plans to re-distribute airline traffic across the 3 terminals.
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Good news Roverman.
It is indeed a shame that for so long the powers that be have focussed on commercial rather than the one thing that makes an airport an airport and not a shopping centre: the concrete outside.
Does the plan to mark dual taxiways from R1 to T2 still include deleting, or at least occasionally closing, the stands around FLS? I think they're the 60s but I may be wrong. Wasn't it called taxiway Quebec at one time?
Has the Airfield Master Plan got round the underlying problem, which is that the cargo and maintenance areas get in the way, as does most of the new part of T3? Is the plan available anywhere for us to read?
Thanks for the update.
It is indeed a shame that for so long the powers that be have focussed on commercial rather than the one thing that makes an airport an airport and not a shopping centre: the concrete outside.
Does the plan to mark dual taxiways from R1 to T2 still include deleting, or at least occasionally closing, the stands around FLS? I think they're the 60s but I may be wrong. Wasn't it called taxiway Quebec at one time?
Has the Airfield Master Plan got round the underlying problem, which is that the cargo and maintenance areas get in the way, as does most of the new part of T3? Is the plan available anywhere for us to read?
Thanks for the update.
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It is mentioned elsewhere that Centralwings have been linked with 3x weekly Poznan > Manchester service and 4 weekly Boeing 737-300 flights to Warsaw. All details to be confirmed.
If this is the case could it be the demise of LOT flights.
If this is the case could it be the demise of LOT flights.
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The Airfield Master Plan is still being refined and is subject to MAG Board approval. It has been the subject of consultation with airline operators through the AOC. The essentials outlined in previous posts above are likely to feature in the approved plan but timescales for implementation will vary depending on traffic growth. Taxiway Quebec is still in existence - the route of a second parallel taxiway through to T2 depends on which options for terminal layout and traffic distribution are pursued *Management Speak alert* 'going forwards'.
When the penny drops, maybe MA plc will concentrate on speeding people thro check in & thro security, have walkways, lifts & escalators working, have taxyways open, reduced airfield bottlenecks then maybe the punters will not be put off as the higher yield pax most definetly are.
My mate with a family of 5 has just departed from Liverpool as a matter of choice, he lives 3 miles from MAN. He claims even with the journey to LPL, it was a "breeze" compared to flying from MAN. I have just been down to London today, but with a Virgin train-travel time 2 hours, unhassled, in comfort, no queues, another breeze compared to negotiating a shopping centre with an airport as a side line & an unknown journey time.
It is nice to have a choice these days.
My mate with a family of 5 has just departed from Liverpool as a matter of choice, he lives 3 miles from MAN. He claims even with the journey to LPL, it was a "breeze" compared to flying from MAN. I have just been down to London today, but with a Virgin train-travel time 2 hours, unhassled, in comfort, no queues, another breeze compared to negotiating a shopping centre with an airport as a side line & an unknown journey time.
It is nice to have a choice these days.
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I would seem that EY are changing timings for the Winter flights to AUH. Going 4 morning and 3 evening according to their Web site.
Could this be to try and increase loads which would not seem to too good based on the June figures
Could this be to try and increase loads which would not seem to too good based on the June figures
Customer is EK who plan 2 x daily A380 from 2012.
Hmmmm here's another, SwineAir are to start daily services to PORKland via HAMburg. Not sure what time of day but they want to take advantage of the afternoon TROUGH.
Sorry if this is a BOAR.
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The 77W is 430 seats or thereabouts and EK's A380HD will be 650 seats or thereabout (and this is the variant that will likely come to MAN. Are you sure that a 50% increase in capacity is not "HUGE"?
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Lots of business passengers.....yes. Lots of first class passengers .....no. There's a reason why EK keep using HD versions of their fleet in the regions and not the LD versions!
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Mr Turin writes about EK's A380 at MAN
"Oh thats good that is. Very very good.
Hmmmm here's another, SwineAir are to start daily services to PORKland via HAMburg. Not sure what time of day but they want to take advantage of the afternoon TROUGH.
Sorry if this is a BOAR. "
Sorry Mr Turin, but EK have been talking to the Airport for some time (2+ years that I am aware of) about A380 ops. Of course EK's plans have been changing, not least because of the delivery delays to the 380.
I fly with EK every couple of months in J class from MAN and am often wait listed even several weeks in advance although the seat has always become available so far......The aircraft is more often than not full and it is a viable way to get to many long haul destinations from this part of the world in relative comfort without having to endure the hell that is LHR. A 3rd frequency would be nice in the interim.....
The DXB hub is relatively hassle free and nicely breaks up a Far East journey half way through which European hubs don't do. If I miss my connection, I don't have to wait for more than a few hours for the next flight because of EK's frequencies. As EY and QR build up destinations and frequencies from AUH and DOH, they will become more viable too.
If EY are changing times it would be a shame as it is always nice to know there is a flight at the same time each day, especially for passengers on business who may need to change travel arrangements at short notice. But I guess they will have done their homework, looking at connecting pax flows and how to minimise connection times etc to attract more pax.
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"Oh thats good that is. Very very good.
Hmmmm here's another, SwineAir are to start daily services to PORKland via HAMburg. Not sure what time of day but they want to take advantage of the afternoon TROUGH.
Sorry if this is a BOAR.
"Sorry Mr Turin, but EK have been talking to the Airport for some time (2+ years that I am aware of) about A380 ops. Of course EK's plans have been changing, not least because of the delivery delays to the 380.
I fly with EK every couple of months in J class from MAN and am often wait listed even several weeks in advance although the seat has always become available so far......The aircraft is more often than not full and it is a viable way to get to many long haul destinations from this part of the world in relative comfort without having to endure the hell that is LHR. A 3rd frequency would be nice in the interim.....
The DXB hub is relatively hassle free and nicely breaks up a Far East journey half way through which European hubs don't do. If I miss my connection, I don't have to wait for more than a few hours for the next flight because of EK's frequencies. As EY and QR build up destinations and frequencies from AUH and DOH, they will become more viable too.
If EY are changing times it would be a shame as it is always nice to know there is a flight at the same time each day, especially for passengers on business who may need to change travel arrangements at short notice. But I guess they will have done their homework, looking at connecting pax flows and how to minimise connection times etc to attract more pax.
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Hmmmm here's another, SwineAir are to start daily services to PORKland via HAMburg. Not sure what time of day but they want to take advantage of the afternoon TROUGH.
Sorry if this is a BOAR. "
and now in English, please?!
Sorry if this is a BOAR. "
and now in English, please?!
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Could this be to try and increase loads which would not seem to too good based on the June figures
Nothing to do with loads, EY are booming from MAN according to their station manager and have heard that MAN performs much better than the LGW route. The timings are being revised to suit travellers to Australia and Thailand better.
On some days almost 50pc of the flight is made up of pax going on to SE Asia.
Nothing to do with loads, EY are booming from MAN according to their station manager and have heard that MAN performs much better than the LGW route. The timings are being revised to suit travellers to Australia and Thailand better.
On some days almost 50pc of the flight is made up of pax going on to SE Asia.
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EY/EK/JFK May
Probably not the greatest month for stats as it is the lowest of the low for EK & EY!
From the CAA
EY 8070 with 62 rotations (again CAA figures) = 130 per flight
EK 31040 with 124 rotations (again CAA figures) = 250 per flight (57%)
JFK 13053 with 62 BA 34 DL & 35 PK rotations (per CAA)
EK would certainly be interesting with those figures on a 380.
The EY is very low even considering it is May and is there any explanation for the JFK figures?
I assume the BA 767 is now 24/24/144 config and hence less seats available at the back-end but even if you dismiss the PK rotations the
load factor for May is poor (I assume greater yield for BA in this config though).
Pete
From the CAA
EY 8070 with 62 rotations (again CAA figures) = 130 per flight
EK 31040 with 124 rotations (again CAA figures) = 250 per flight (57%)
JFK 13053 with 62 BA 34 DL & 35 PK rotations (per CAA)
EK would certainly be interesting with those figures on a 380.
The EY is very low even considering it is May and is there any explanation for the JFK figures?
I assume the BA 767 is now 24/24/144 config and hence less seats available at the back-end but even if you dismiss the PK rotations the
load factor for May is poor (I assume greater yield for BA in this config though).
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Nothing to do with loads, EY are booming from MAN according to their station manager and have heard that MAN performs much better than the LGW route. The timings are being revised to suit travellers to Australia and Thailand better.
On some days almost 50pc of the flight is made up of pax going on to SE Asia .
The figures would suggest otherwise. EY no longer operate to LGW the flight was moved to LHR some time ago.
The figures for May as quoted earlier
EY 8070 with 62 rotations (again CAA figures) = 130 per flight
and the figures for June would suggest that the load is is about 55% unless the CAA figures aren't showing the whole story
Viscout
Nothing to do with loads, EY are booming from MAN according to their station manager and have heard that MAN performs much better than the LGW route. The timings are being revised to suit travellers to Australia and Thailand better.
On some days almost 50pc of the flight is made up of pax going on to SE Asia .
The figures would suggest otherwise. EY no longer operate to LGW the flight was moved to LHR some time ago.
The figures for May as quoted earlier
EY 8070 with 62 rotations (again CAA figures) = 130 per flight
and the figures for June would suggest that the load is is about 55% unless the CAA figures aren't showing the whole story
Viscout