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Please refer to my post (number 134), dated 23rd March, with regards to Jett8. Also worthwhile doing a little research yourself - like looking on their website and seeing that the timetable is published there!! 
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Just had email from AirBlue to say they start serving Manchester effective 1st June.
Schedule is 4 per week on Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun
Islamabad- Manchester
Flight Number: ED-220
Departing: ISB at 14:00
Arriving: MAN at 19:30
Manchester-Islamabad
Flight Number: ED-221
Departing: MAN at 21:00
Arriving: ISB at 10:30
No aircraft type shown, but understand to be an A321.
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Schedule is 4 per week on Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun
Islamabad- Manchester
Flight Number: ED-220
Departing: ISB at 14:00
Arriving: MAN at 19:30
Manchester-Islamabad
Flight Number: ED-221
Departing: MAN at 21:00
Arriving: ISB at 10:30
No aircraft type shown, but understand to be an A321.
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I have just seen that the AA and AC summer daily flights to Boston and Toronto are returning this month. The two carriers will use 752 and 762 equipment respectively.
Now to me, this seems weird that they can operate DAILY during the summer, but not at all during the winter! Surely, two of the world's biggest carriers could manage atleast a 4 times weekly flight to these destinations?! Going from daily to not at all seems abit steep.
Is this because of aircraft shortage or just becuase they cannot attract the customers, because ORD, NYC, PHL and ATL are all able to accomodate multi-daily flights all year round?
Now to me, this seems weird that they can operate DAILY during the summer, but not at all during the winter! Surely, two of the world's biggest carriers could manage atleast a 4 times weekly flight to these destinations?! Going from daily to not at all seems abit steep.
Is this because of aircraft shortage or just becuase they cannot attract the customers, because ORD, NYC, PHL and ATL are all able to accomodate multi-daily flights all year round?
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Hi MUFC_fan,
During the Winter, northerly cities in North America experience a surge in vacation traffic to Florida, Las Vegas and the Caribbean (similar to that experienced from Britain to the Mediterranean in Summer). Customers from cities such as Boston and Toronto wish to "escape to the sun" during the bitterly cold months. Consequently, it is financially lucrative for airlines to redeploy equipment to these markets when demand is at its peak, and to suspend or reduce service from 'low-season' markets to make way.
Airline operations are all about the pursuit of profit. During Winter, routes such as BOS-MIA and YYZ-LAS are heavily booked at strong yields whilst demand for MAN-YYZ and MAN-BOS is muted (even if an aircraft is full low-season yields can be poor). In Summer the reverse is true. Therefore, even if MAN is capable of supporting flights to YYZ and BOS in the Winter, the scarce aircraft resources can be more profitably deployed elsewhere. The most profitable option will be chosen by the operator.
It is also for this reason that you will notice that many charter aircraft are based in the UK May to October and Canada November to April (they will all be home to roost at MAN again soon!). North America and Western Europe simply have peaks of vacation demand which are diametrically opposed to each other. This represents a financial opportunity to airline companies.
Seasonality is the reason why MAN loses many services in the Winter (including the AAL Boston and the ACA Toronto). But equally, one could argue that we GAIN them in the Summer at the expense of leisure routes serving the North American vacation market. The aircraft simply fly where the customers are most willing to spend their money at the time.
I hope this explanation is helpful to you.
All the best, SHED.
During the Winter, northerly cities in North America experience a surge in vacation traffic to Florida, Las Vegas and the Caribbean (similar to that experienced from Britain to the Mediterranean in Summer). Customers from cities such as Boston and Toronto wish to "escape to the sun" during the bitterly cold months. Consequently, it is financially lucrative for airlines to redeploy equipment to these markets when demand is at its peak, and to suspend or reduce service from 'low-season' markets to make way.
Airline operations are all about the pursuit of profit. During Winter, routes such as BOS-MIA and YYZ-LAS are heavily booked at strong yields whilst demand for MAN-YYZ and MAN-BOS is muted (even if an aircraft is full low-season yields can be poor). In Summer the reverse is true. Therefore, even if MAN is capable of supporting flights to YYZ and BOS in the Winter, the scarce aircraft resources can be more profitably deployed elsewhere. The most profitable option will be chosen by the operator.
It is also for this reason that you will notice that many charter aircraft are based in the UK May to October and Canada November to April (they will all be home to roost at MAN again soon!). North America and Western Europe simply have peaks of vacation demand which are diametrically opposed to each other. This represents a financial opportunity to airline companies.
Seasonality is the reason why MAN loses many services in the Winter (including the AAL Boston and the ACA Toronto). But equally, one could argue that we GAIN them in the Summer at the expense of leisure routes serving the North American vacation market. The aircraft simply fly where the customers are most willing to spend their money at the time.
I hope this explanation is helpful to you.
All the best, SHED.
I assume Anakara is for fuel only and will not set down pax?
Speaking of which, who's got the maintenance contract at MAN?
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Nightime Runway closures - effective tonight
From an email received today from the airport's community relations team:
Please be aware that the forthcoming Nighttime runway 1 closure will commence this evening at 22:15. The runway will be closed every night between 22:15 and 06:00 until the morning of Tuesday 24th April.
This is due to resurfacing and repairs to adjacent taxiways and runway lighting checks. During the stated times, all flights will operate from Runway 2. In the event of bad weather/low visibility, the works may be deferred and Runway 1 will be reinstated. Normal operations will resume at all other times. As always, the prevailing wind conditions will determine in which direction aircraft will take-off and land.
We do apologise for any inconvenience these changes may cause and would like to assure you that the work will be carried out as quickly as possible. These exceptional changes are permitted within the terms of the Planning Permission for Runway 2 and should you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Other planned future closures in 2007:-
· 22:15 hrs on Sunday 3rd June till 06:00 on 8th June (5 nights). Routine maintenance, the annual walking inspection plus Runway re-designation works.
· 22:15 on Sunday 7th October till 06:00 on 12th October (5 nights). Routine maintenance and lighting checks.
Please be aware that the forthcoming Nighttime runway 1 closure will commence this evening at 22:15. The runway will be closed every night between 22:15 and 06:00 until the morning of Tuesday 24th April.
This is due to resurfacing and repairs to adjacent taxiways and runway lighting checks. During the stated times, all flights will operate from Runway 2. In the event of bad weather/low visibility, the works may be deferred and Runway 1 will be reinstated. Normal operations will resume at all other times. As always, the prevailing wind conditions will determine in which direction aircraft will take-off and land.
We do apologise for any inconvenience these changes may cause and would like to assure you that the work will be carried out as quickly as possible. These exceptional changes are permitted within the terms of the Planning Permission for Runway 2 and should you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Other planned future closures in 2007:-
· 22:15 hrs on Sunday 3rd June till 06:00 on 8th June (5 nights). Routine maintenance, the annual walking inspection plus Runway re-designation works.
· 22:15 on Sunday 7th October till 06:00 on 12th October (5 nights). Routine maintenance and lighting checks.
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Still more to come this month:
Air Great Wall Cargo started MAN ops yesterday with 4 times weekly flights (Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat).
Also, heard of another new cargo carrier at MAN from 25th April. Jett8 Cargo Airlines starts its twice weekly service from MAN with a night stop on Wed and Sat nights.
I also think EMX are increasing their frequencies this later this month on the IOM route. 24th?
Still alot more to come this summer with BE, REA, Airblue, Saudi and the return of AC!
Air Great Wall Cargo started MAN ops yesterday with 4 times weekly flights (Mon, Wed, Thu, Sat).
Also, heard of another new cargo carrier at MAN from 25th April. Jett8 Cargo Airlines starts its twice weekly service from MAN with a night stop on Wed and Sat nights.
I also think EMX are increasing their frequencies this later this month on the IOM route. 24th?
Still alot more to come this summer with BE, REA, Airblue, Saudi and the return of AC!
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Great Wall did not start yesterday, they start same weekend as Jet8
initially twice a week going up to 4
Also I have heard that Mahan Air to go up to 5 a week after they pull out of BHX
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initially twice a week going up to 4
Also I have heard that Mahan Air to go up to 5 a week after they pull out of BHX
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Cathy Pacific must be looking at MAN?
Also, heard of another new cargo carrier at MAN from 25th April. Jett8 Cargo Airlines starts its twice weekly service from MAN with a night stop on Wed and Sat nights.
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Seen that the Tehran service is 6 hours and 30 minutes non-stop on an A320!
I'm guessing it has extra certificates and afew upper class seats to accommodate for the extra range needed.
I'm guessing it has extra certificates and afew upper class seats to accommodate for the extra range needed.
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March Figures
Recently there appear to have been a number of negative posts with regards to services from Manchester - some warranted and others probably not.
I thought it would be an idea to look at the loads being produced from the long-haul scheduled carriers - as produced by the CAA in their provisional figures for the month of March:
Abu Dhabi - Ethihad - 12688. Seems to be an average load of 204 passengers.
Chicago - American/Bmi - 22165 - 178 average load - minus 4.60pc
Doha - Qatar Airways - 15884 - 256 average load - plus 48pc
Dubai - Emirates - 42532 - 343 average load - plus 22pc
New York JFK - British Airways/Delta/Pakistan - 16087 - plus 51pc *
New York Newark - Continental - 17955 - 144 average load - plus 23pc *
Orlando - Virgin - 23367 - plus 11pc
Philadephia - US Air - 11879 - 191 average load - minus 14pc *
Tehran - Mahan Air - 2200. plus 156pc *
Figures marked with an * show questionable load factors as I seem to recall that the Eastern Seaboard of the USA was effected by bad weather and therefore there may have been a number of cancelled flights.
Within Europe there have been a number of cancelled services as a result of the BA/Flybe merger. I have therefore deliberately not undertaken a comparison of last year. The following routes do however seem to have performed exceptionally well:
Istanbul - THY - 6664 - 107 average load - plus 15pc
Luxembourg - Luxair/VLM - 4070- plus 483pc * VLM new on the route
Zurich - Swiss - 14382 - plus 21pc
As can be seen, all is not lost, and hopefully things will start to look better in the longer term. Remember that BAConnect cancelled 21pc of their slots from Manchester - and that is one heck of a lot to have to make up.
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I thought it would be an idea to look at the loads being produced from the long-haul scheduled carriers - as produced by the CAA in their provisional figures for the month of March:
Abu Dhabi - Ethihad - 12688. Seems to be an average load of 204 passengers.
Chicago - American/Bmi - 22165 - 178 average load - minus 4.60pc
Doha - Qatar Airways - 15884 - 256 average load - plus 48pc
Dubai - Emirates - 42532 - 343 average load - plus 22pc
New York JFK - British Airways/Delta/Pakistan - 16087 - plus 51pc *
New York Newark - Continental - 17955 - 144 average load - plus 23pc *
Orlando - Virgin - 23367 - plus 11pc
Philadephia - US Air - 11879 - 191 average load - minus 14pc *
Tehran - Mahan Air - 2200. plus 156pc *
Figures marked with an * show questionable load factors as I seem to recall that the Eastern Seaboard of the USA was effected by bad weather and therefore there may have been a number of cancelled flights.
Within Europe there have been a number of cancelled services as a result of the BA/Flybe merger. I have therefore deliberately not undertaken a comparison of last year. The following routes do however seem to have performed exceptionally well:
Istanbul - THY - 6664 - 107 average load - plus 15pc
Luxembourg - Luxair/VLM - 4070- plus 483pc * VLM new on the route
Zurich - Swiss - 14382 - plus 21pc
As can be seen, all is not lost, and hopefully things will start to look better in the longer term. Remember that BAConnect cancelled 21pc of their slots from Manchester - and that is one heck of a lot to have to make up.
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Yes, but just replacing 20% of those 21% slots with widebodies in Saudi and possibly more new carriers. This would equal the loss!
Looking good on the long-haul front, lets hope we see a further increase in flights to the East, such as China and India. These are the two biggest growing economies, and if an airline such as Jet Airways (which have shown an interest in MAN, BHX and NCL) can drag the LHR connection passengers away from BA, MAN could regain 3rd spot before long! Anyway...with the airport's view of 42.5 million by 2015, they will certainly need to attract more airlines!
Will another terminal be needed?
Looking good on the long-haul front, lets hope we see a further increase in flights to the East, such as China and India. These are the two biggest growing economies, and if an airline such as Jet Airways (which have shown an interest in MAN, BHX and NCL) can drag the LHR connection passengers away from BA, MAN could regain 3rd spot before long! Anyway...with the airport's view of 42.5 million by 2015, they will certainly need to attract more airlines!
Will another terminal be needed?
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I should think that the current terminals will be able to cope for some time yet before talk of a new terminal does the rounds. Although T1 and T3 are nearing full capacity at peak times, T2 is still extremely quiet after midday so plenty of room for additional capacity there.
Also, I think that the terminals will undergo major expansion before a T4 is considered. There is plenty of scope to do this. T1 is in the process of this as I speak. With the new security search area being constructed above ground level checkin and the new retail area above the current airside lounge due to open shortly, some pressure should be released on its cracking seems. There's plenty of room to the east to extend T3. I read somewhere that eventually it will be extended all the way as far as the airport pub. Was this just hearsay? And there's plenty of room to extend T2 as well once it reaches full capacity. The plans were to add onto the exisiting checkin hall and departure lounge, as well as extending the pier from gate 215 down towards staff west. This particular project was due to have started by now but all has gone quiet. Anyone heard anything?
Also, I think that the terminals will undergo major expansion before a T4 is considered. There is plenty of scope to do this. T1 is in the process of this as I speak. With the new security search area being constructed above ground level checkin and the new retail area above the current airside lounge due to open shortly, some pressure should be released on its cracking seems. There's plenty of room to the east to extend T3. I read somewhere that eventually it will be extended all the way as far as the airport pub. Was this just hearsay? And there's plenty of room to extend T2 as well once it reaches full capacity. The plans were to add onto the exisiting checkin hall and departure lounge, as well as extending the pier from gate 215 down towards staff west. This particular project was due to have started by now but all has gone quiet. Anyone heard anything?
