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Old 4th Jan 2009, 16:48
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Skyman, Thirty to fourty years ago the road links to both airports were fairly similar.
. "They were" & "they were not", depending on how you looked at it. I made my first trip from MME in 1966? to PMI on a BKS Britannia & have witnessed the development / progress (or not) over the years as much as anyone. Right from the start everything was lagging behind NCL, be it size of terminal facilities, access, or services offered. Even on route duplication such as LHR then NCL offered that bit more & really nothing much has changed in 43 years other than the scale of operations & hence the now much larger gap. Most successful business are built by charismatic people with a passion, you are correct that NCL had Denyer , they were also fundamentally much more successful in marketing their product be it to punters or investors. MME really didn't loose it's ex RAF image for more than 20 years & I don't think that did them any good at at all. Sentiment & business do not go well together & even the placing of the Lightning near the terminal for my part only served to hammer home the wrong image. Who knows as to what the future holds but DTV's will require major investment without the guarantee of short or even medium term returns & this in the current ecconomic climate is very unlikely.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 17:19
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MME vs NCL

The problem with the North East area as a whole is it has it's eyes firmly set on Tyneside. A great deal of the money that has ever come into the area through the EU or our own government has been ploughed into the Tyneside area. You only have to look at the regeneration along the banks of the Tyne and compare it too the Wear and Tees (you only have to look at the super casino bids in that Middlesborugh in terms of employment and investment etc could of done with it more than Newcastle, but Newcastle got it). That in turn has aided the airport at Newcastle as they have gained business off the back of that.
The argument about the local authorities is simple, Durham had a stake in both MME and NCL yet were happy to help NCL expand and progress and hindered any expansion and progression at MME.
The argument about the managment at MME is a valid one in that they have been poor to say the least, I know.
MME4eva the LHR service has actually decreased over the years and has been messed around with poor timings etc, so they haven't been sucssessful there. They managed to attract services from Eastern to BRU and BRS but neither service was well thought out. BRU service did not allow a full working day in Brussels yet services from NCL and LBA both did and provided onward connections. The BRS service was competing with Easyjet out of NCL. The airport managment should of pointed these points out to Eastern as all that was ever going to happen was the services were going to stop and so put a black mark against the name of the airport.
Then we have the bmibaby fiasco. ATC at the airport were actually informed by an outsider about them pulling out, which I think is a little out of order when a business looses a third of its core business!!
The demand for services is there, its upto managment at the airport to find the right airline for the service, BRU and BRS are two examples and LGW and Belfast are another two.
The name change was another poor decision by the managment, which is still hated by the local population and has on occasions for myself and I'm sure for others caused embarrsment at airports when you are told that they don't know where Durham Tees Valley Airport is but do know where Teesside Airport is!
MME is in a better geographic position than NCL, in that there are no hills to contend with off either end of MME's runway, also the geological position is better, no dirty big hole waiting to appear in the runway!
The argument about ease of access into MME is stupid when it is easier and more convienient for someone to travel from Darlington or Middlesborugh to Manchester airport than it is MME and likewise to NCL. The fact is that MME has a station that isn't really used and has poor public transport links with it nearest town. That lies with the managment not doing enough.
If we look back to the begining of the 80's the two airports in terms of scheduled departures each week were very similar (in actual fact MME had more, but NCL had many more IT departures). If you look at where they are today though, MME has stood still and actually gone backwards while NCL have gone forwards.
No one reason is the definitive one but they all add up.
Rant over now, sorry!
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 18:10
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Am I right to say Durham no longer has any intrest in DTVA as Darlington has become a seperate council/county or what ever they call them.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 19:17
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yes you are
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 19:34
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Groundhog day-DTV,MME.ETC

Could we not just change the dates of these postings to avoid having to read them,over and over and over and.,......year after year after year.....

Onion..Newcastle didnt get the "super casino"..nobody did...

Bring back "get me more traffic"..thats what I say!! he talks a lot of sense(just)
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 19:41
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Mme - Brs

Mrs IB's family live in the South West, and as a family we fly a few times a year from Newcastle - Bristol.

When Eastern announced the flights from DTVA, they seamed ideal. That was until I found out that the cheapest return fare was £199 per person.

I got in contact with Eastern to find out why their fares were so high, when compared to return fares from as little as £25 with Easyjet from Newcastle. After "thanking" me for my interest in the route, they explained that they were aiming the service purely at the business market, and not the leisure pax.

With fares like that, the interest levels in the route were never going to be enough to keep the route going
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 22:25
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eh!----wassat?
Someone mention my name?
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 23:11
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Hehe, good to see you Get Me Some Traffic! Aren't you the 'outsider' that Onion refers to as revealing the bmibaby pull-out? That's not right surely?

Based on the last few posts, it seems to me there's a mini north-south divide within the north east, and we're on the wrong end of it. We all seem to know the various reasons why DTVA is in the mess it's in, what I'd be asking now is, is there anything at all we can do about it?
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 23:18
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Hi DTV. You've got the wrong end of the stick. It was Onion who told ATC MME that Baby were pulling out. He did so more than 24hrs before anyone else knew. I don't know where he got the information (inspired guess?) but he made MME management look incompetent.
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Old 4th Jan 2009, 23:25
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Ah, ok, apologies.
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 08:42
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Highwideand ugly my apologies, Manchester won the original bid but I believe that it has since been axed in a policy review. Although Newcastle was put forward onto the 'super casino' shortlist while both Middlesborugh and Newcastle were bidding for it. It still backs my point up that large projects like that tend to be centred on Newcastle rather than Middlesborugh and Sunderland and so in a round about way helping NCL grow!
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 10:01
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councils

If Durham council have no more interest in DTV, Just who is involved council wise?. J.
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 10:55
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Councils, I stand to be corrected:
Stockton, Middlesbrough, Darlington and is it called Redar and Cleveland??
Its a real mess like every thing else!
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 15:31
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Anyone know what's happened to the mail flights tonight. Seems the contract may have been pulled from DTVA!!!
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 15:32
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Atlantic planned in from Bristol at 0146 according to DTVMovements site.
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 15:43
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But what about the Jet2 737's. No mention of those visiting DTVA.
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 17:39
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Lazer pen scroat.

I hear the first one got four months in jail and the second idiot was found guilty but not put away.

12 months ditch digging might of been better for them!
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 18:56
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Seems the 737's are coming after all. Time to shoot the spy!!!
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 18:59
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Looks as if the rumour of the Jet2's not coming is FALSE. The two of them are planned in at 0156 and 0216 tomorrow morning. It will be interesting to see if they position back to Newcastle or not given I don't think they have any scheduled passenger flights on Mon-Wed daytimes?
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Old 5th Jan 2009, 20:06
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TNT

Heard recently that the guy responsible for pulling TNTs DTVA base has been sacked due to the new operation (somewhere in Poland I think) proving a lot more expensive. I don't suppose anyone here can confirm that?
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