DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 4
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Skyman, Thirty to fourty years ago the road links to both airports were fairly similar.
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MME vs NCL
The problem with the North East area as a whole is it has it's eyes firmly set on Tyneside. A great deal of the money that has ever come into the area through the EU or our own government has been ploughed into the Tyneside area. You only have to look at the regeneration along the banks of the Tyne and compare it too the Wear and Tees (you only have to look at the super casino bids in that Middlesborugh in terms of employment and investment etc could of done with it more than Newcastle, but Newcastle got it). That in turn has aided the airport at Newcastle as they have gained business off the back of that.
The argument about the local authorities is simple, Durham had a stake in both MME and NCL yet were happy to help NCL expand and progress and hindered any expansion and progression at MME.
The argument about the managment at MME is a valid one in that they have been poor to say the least, I know.
MME4eva the LHR service has actually decreased over the years and has been messed around with poor timings etc, so they haven't been sucssessful there. They managed to attract services from Eastern to BRU and BRS but neither service was well thought out. BRU service did not allow a full working day in Brussels yet services from NCL and LBA both did and provided onward connections. The BRS service was competing with Easyjet out of NCL. The airport managment should of pointed these points out to Eastern as all that was ever going to happen was the services were going to stop and so put a black mark against the name of the airport.
Then we have the bmibaby fiasco. ATC at the airport were actually informed by an outsider about them pulling out, which I think is a little out of order when a business looses a third of its core business!!
The demand for services is there, its upto managment at the airport to find the right airline for the service, BRU and BRS are two examples and LGW and Belfast are another two.
The name change was another poor decision by the managment, which is still hated by the local population and has on occasions for myself and I'm sure for others caused embarrsment at airports when you are told that they don't know where Durham Tees Valley Airport is but do know where Teesside Airport is!
MME is in a better geographic position than NCL, in that there are no hills to contend with off either end of MME's runway, also the geological position is better, no dirty big hole waiting to appear in the runway!
The argument about ease of access into MME is stupid when it is easier and more convienient for someone to travel from Darlington or Middlesborugh to Manchester airport than it is MME and likewise to NCL. The fact is that MME has a station that isn't really used and has poor public transport links with it nearest town. That lies with the managment not doing enough.
If we look back to the begining of the 80's the two airports in terms of scheduled departures each week were very similar (in actual fact MME had more, but NCL had many more IT departures). If you look at where they are today though, MME has stood still and actually gone backwards while NCL have gone forwards.
No one reason is the definitive one but they all add up.
Rant over now, sorry!
The argument about the local authorities is simple, Durham had a stake in both MME and NCL yet were happy to help NCL expand and progress and hindered any expansion and progression at MME.
The argument about the managment at MME is a valid one in that they have been poor to say the least, I know.
MME4eva the LHR service has actually decreased over the years and has been messed around with poor timings etc, so they haven't been sucssessful there. They managed to attract services from Eastern to BRU and BRS but neither service was well thought out. BRU service did not allow a full working day in Brussels yet services from NCL and LBA both did and provided onward connections. The BRS service was competing with Easyjet out of NCL. The airport managment should of pointed these points out to Eastern as all that was ever going to happen was the services were going to stop and so put a black mark against the name of the airport.
Then we have the bmibaby fiasco. ATC at the airport were actually informed by an outsider about them pulling out, which I think is a little out of order when a business looses a third of its core business!!
The demand for services is there, its upto managment at the airport to find the right airline for the service, BRU and BRS are two examples and LGW and Belfast are another two.
The name change was another poor decision by the managment, which is still hated by the local population and has on occasions for myself and I'm sure for others caused embarrsment at airports when you are told that they don't know where Durham Tees Valley Airport is but do know where Teesside Airport is!
MME is in a better geographic position than NCL, in that there are no hills to contend with off either end of MME's runway, also the geological position is better, no dirty big hole waiting to appear in the runway!
The argument about ease of access into MME is stupid when it is easier and more convienient for someone to travel from Darlington or Middlesborugh to Manchester airport than it is MME and likewise to NCL. The fact is that MME has a station that isn't really used and has poor public transport links with it nearest town. That lies with the managment not doing enough.
If we look back to the begining of the 80's the two airports in terms of scheduled departures each week were very similar (in actual fact MME had more, but NCL had many more IT departures). If you look at where they are today though, MME has stood still and actually gone backwards while NCL have gone forwards.
No one reason is the definitive one but they all add up.
Rant over now, sorry!
Groundhog day-DTV,MME.ETC
Could we not just change the dates of these postings to avoid having to read them,over and over and over and.,......year after year after year.....
Onion..Newcastle didnt get the "super casino"..nobody did...
Bring back "get me more traffic"..thats what I say!! he talks a lot of sense(just)
Onion..Newcastle didnt get the "super casino"..nobody did...
Bring back "get me more traffic"..thats what I say!! he talks a lot of sense(just)
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Mme - Brs
Mrs IB's family live in the South West, and as a family we fly a few times a year from Newcastle - Bristol.
When Eastern announced the flights from DTVA, they seamed ideal. That was until I found out that the cheapest return fare was £199 per person.
I got in contact with Eastern to find out why their fares were so high, when compared to return fares from as little as £25 with Easyjet from Newcastle. After "thanking" me for my interest in the route, they explained that they were aiming the service purely at the business market, and not the leisure pax.
With fares like that, the interest levels in the route were never going to be enough to keep the route going
When Eastern announced the flights from DTVA, they seamed ideal. That was until I found out that the cheapest return fare was £199 per person.
I got in contact with Eastern to find out why their fares were so high, when compared to return fares from as little as £25 with Easyjet from Newcastle. After "thanking" me for my interest in the route, they explained that they were aiming the service purely at the business market, and not the leisure pax.
With fares like that, the interest levels in the route were never going to be enough to keep the route going
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Hehe, good to see you Get Me Some Traffic! Aren't you the 'outsider' that Onion refers to as revealing the bmibaby pull-out? That's not right surely?
Based on the last few posts, it seems to me there's a mini north-south divide within the north east, and we're on the wrong end of it. We all seem to know the various reasons why DTVA is in the mess it's in, what I'd be asking now is, is there anything at all we can do about it?
Based on the last few posts, it seems to me there's a mini north-south divide within the north east, and we're on the wrong end of it. We all seem to know the various reasons why DTVA is in the mess it's in, what I'd be asking now is, is there anything at all we can do about it?
Hi DTV. You've got the wrong end of the stick. It was Onion who told ATC MME that Baby were pulling out. He did so more than 24hrs before anyone else knew. I don't know where he got the information (inspired guess?) but he made MME management look incompetent.
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Highwideand ugly my apologies, Manchester won the original bid but I believe that it has since been axed in a policy review. Although Newcastle was put forward onto the 'super casino' shortlist while both Middlesborugh and Newcastle were bidding for it. It still backs my point up that large projects like that tend to be centred on Newcastle rather than Middlesborugh and Sunderland and so in a round about way helping NCL grow!
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Looks as if the rumour of the Jet2's not coming is FALSE. The two of them are planned in at 0156 and 0216 tomorrow morning. It will be interesting to see if they position back to Newcastle or not given I don't think they have any scheduled passenger flights on Mon-Wed daytimes?
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TNT
Heard recently that the guy responsible for pulling TNTs DTVA base has been sacked due to the new operation (somewhere in Poland I think) proving a lot more expensive. I don't suppose anyone here can confirm that?