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It is rumoured that FR might base at LBA and I think this would be far more sensible than setting up at MME. When BmiBaby chose MME instead of LBA, and Bmi were already at both but especially at LBA, it seemed to be the wrong decision. Later Jet2 arrived at LBA and have expanded whilst BmiBaby have left MME which seems to indicate which airport was the right one. So if FR are thinking of basing at LBA why go to MME? It would appear that LBA can support many new routes not yet considered by Jet2, such as Hahn, Bologna and Oslo, maybe even Madrid and Lubeck!
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What are BD going to do when they can't squeeze everyone onto a E 145 on a Monday Morning to the Row??
It is inevitable that like LBA, There will be times when an A319 or A320 will be needed on certain flights.
BD are not making sense at the moment, Their operations are like a 'Yoyo'
I know there not MAN's favourite Airline at the moment.
It is inevitable that like LBA, There will be times when an A319 or A320 will be needed on certain flights.
BD are not making sense at the moment, Their operations are like a 'Yoyo'
I know there not MAN's favourite Airline at the moment.
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I think a small FR base would definitely work at MME.
Likely destinations would be, IMHO :
Faro
Palma
Malaga
Reus
Tenerife South
Alicante (already running)
Girona (already running)
Dublin (already running)
Pisa
Katowice or Krakow
Grenoble
Likely destinations would be, IMHO :
Faro
Palma
Malaga
Reus
Tenerife South
Alicante (already running)
Girona (already running)
Dublin (already running)
Pisa
Katowice or Krakow
Grenoble
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BD are not making sense at the moment, Their operations are like a 'Yoyo'
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I don't know if anyone has noticed but all locos are contracting at the moment rather than expanding. Flights to the canaries are predominantly holiday flights and the concensus in the industry at the moment is that holidaymakers in the future will want to be covered by ATOL or similar after the collapses of recent months and poss further collapses of tour companies and airlines this winter and the early part of spring until they can get their revenue streams going again.It makes more sense approaching TUI and Thomas Cook and making them offers they can't refuse to re enter MME from Spring 2010 or poss Winter 2009 if market conditions improve quicker than forecast.
Ergo..no Ryanair expansion.
Ergo..no Ryanair expansion.
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Paarmo when you compare the potential passenger figures that attracting FR vs. TCX or TOM to MME would bring, all I am saying is MME management must make it a priority to try and bag FR. Also, TOM have closed their base at CVT and cutting back at NWI to concentrate on bigger bases like at LTN and MAN.
As for a FR base at LBA, firstly has it got the space on the apron for another loco? Secondly, I'm sure the money men at FR would much prefer an airport with absolutely no competition, a better catchment area and probably free landing fees than one which has a well established loco, poor access and is often closed due to the weather.
If MME can't get FR, I really can't see them getting anyone for the next year or so and we will become a humberside, blackpool, newquay tumble weed international.
As for a FR base at LBA, firstly has it got the space on the apron for another loco? Secondly, I'm sure the money men at FR would much prefer an airport with absolutely no competition, a better catchment area and probably free landing fees than one which has a well established loco, poor access and is often closed due to the weather.
If MME can't get FR, I really can't see them getting anyone for the next year or so and we will become a humberside, blackpool, newquay tumble weed international.
If MME can't get FR, I really can't see them getting anyone for the next year or so and we will become a humberside, blackpool, newquay tumble weed international.
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Pug Peel are a business and at the end of the day need to keep the money men happy so I'm not sure they would see contraction of services (and revenue) as a good thing.
I stand by what I say if flyBE or Jet2 aren't in the running because of commitments at LBA and NCL, it's FR or nobody at MME.
On another note, I would be very interested to hear who the airlines MME management met with in KL. I know we won't find out but I find it hard to believe they would secure c.50 appointments as the press would lead us to believe.
I stand by what I say if flyBE or Jet2 aren't in the running because of commitments at LBA and NCL, it's FR or nobody at MME.
On another note, I would be very interested to hear who the airlines MME management met with in KL. I know we won't find out but I find it hard to believe they would secure c.50 appointments as the press would lead us to believe.
"The Airport already has some 40 meetings scheduled to take place with airlines from across Europe, Asia, USA and the Middle East to explore the potential for new flight connections to Durham Tees Valley Airport. Further interest is expected to be gained via the Peel Airports’s stand at the major exhibition that accompanies the Forum."
Can't blame the press for everything (much as I'd like to...). The quote above is from a press release on the DTVA website.
Can't blame the press for everything (much as I'd like to...). The quote above is from a press release on the DTVA website.
Pug Peel are a business and at the end of the day need to keep the money men happy so I'm not sure they would see contraction of services (and revenue) as a good thing.
An example is that HUY is/was until recently making a profit and has very little services. I am told that if there was only the AMS and the ABZ routes left that other onsite business would cover the costs....
The 'backwater' airports, and these include MME and DSA, will always struggle in hard times more than the bigger guys, if Peel airports continue the model they use at LPL it is likely to go tits up. Que Peel Holdings to do what they do best and recoup there losses in a business park/quarry...
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On this repeated suggestion that Peel will somehow overule the obvious uproar in the local business, government and travel industry that would follow closing MME, has there been a single precedent for Peel to do this?
Ok, Sheffield City is not as big as it once was but it was never the size of MME and would always be restricted as a growth airport due to its position.
Ok, Sheffield City is not as big as it once was but it was never the size of MME and would always be restricted as a growth airport due to its position.
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Ok Peel I stand corrected but where Peel were when they bought Sheffield City is a very different place to now being the owner of LPL, DSA and MME.
As for the Lufthansa/bmi takeover announced today, it has all but ended any hope of a) bmi the company and b) a MME-LHR route beyond next summer as I understand that LH will exercise its purchase in January.
Poor old bmi employees-a once proudly british airline now going to be reduced to a page in the history books...
As for the Lufthansa/bmi takeover announced today, it has all but ended any hope of a) bmi the company and b) a MME-LHR route beyond next summer as I understand that LH will exercise its purchase in January.
Poor old bmi employees-a once proudly british airline now going to be reduced to a page in the history books...
Poor old bmi employees-a once proudly british airline now going to be reduced to a page in the history books...
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I think the BMI takeover could be interesting.
firstly LH prefers multihubs and relies on its feeder routes in Germany and other nations it owns airlines - am not saying they will leave things as they are but at the same time I think the BMI name will live on (it hasnt changed any of the names of the airlines it owns/has stakes in nor does it plan to do so) so i cant see why it will change the name of BMI to Lufthy - and in the same respect i cant see it chopping all SH routes or even domestic routes to simply turn it into a Mid Haul/Long Haul airline. On domestic routes the only competition is BA and if BMI pulls out to leave only BA, if its passengers are flying domestic to LHR in order to transfer to an international flight i would imagine a lot would choose BA for that onward journey
and secondly Virgin Atlantic is keen on a tie up or alliance of some sort as it is as we all know long haul and wants feeder routes in order to supply passengers - this will be a cheaper option for Lufthy rather than transform an airline with short haul and mid haul aircraft into another long haul airline competing with BA and Virgin and all the airlines that have opened up routes since openskies was given the green light.
If you read between the lines on this one, it was (and am sure someone will quote me wrong) SMB who wanted the sale as he had an option (agreed with Lufthy) to sell/force a sale even if Lufthy didnt want it at an agreed price and lufthy has had to pay a reported £318M (on top of money its spent recently expanding its Italian subsidiary, reported to put into Alitalia, purchasing Brussels Airlines, potentially purchasing Austrian and its 50% share of 1bn Euros of debt it has - plus its just announched a slight drop in profits at Lufthy and has a number of aircraft purchases to replace some of its lufthy fleet) so keeping BMI as is and forming a pact with Virgin would be both prudent and in todays economic climate an option seriously worth considering.
I live in the South and use LHR a lot and whilst LHR is at 99% capacity in terms of movements, the aircraft arent showing similar load factors - LHR routes cannot survive solely on generating passengers from the south or who prepare to travel from the north for 4-5 hours by road or rail to heathrow and cannot also survive without transit passengers by air.
To cut a long story short (too late) i dont think the BMI name will go but more importantly i dont think it is necessarily the nail in our or other feeder heathrow routes coffins!
firstly LH prefers multihubs and relies on its feeder routes in Germany and other nations it owns airlines - am not saying they will leave things as they are but at the same time I think the BMI name will live on (it hasnt changed any of the names of the airlines it owns/has stakes in nor does it plan to do so) so i cant see why it will change the name of BMI to Lufthy - and in the same respect i cant see it chopping all SH routes or even domestic routes to simply turn it into a Mid Haul/Long Haul airline. On domestic routes the only competition is BA and if BMI pulls out to leave only BA, if its passengers are flying domestic to LHR in order to transfer to an international flight i would imagine a lot would choose BA for that onward journey
and secondly Virgin Atlantic is keen on a tie up or alliance of some sort as it is as we all know long haul and wants feeder routes in order to supply passengers - this will be a cheaper option for Lufthy rather than transform an airline with short haul and mid haul aircraft into another long haul airline competing with BA and Virgin and all the airlines that have opened up routes since openskies was given the green light.
If you read between the lines on this one, it was (and am sure someone will quote me wrong) SMB who wanted the sale as he had an option (agreed with Lufthy) to sell/force a sale even if Lufthy didnt want it at an agreed price and lufthy has had to pay a reported £318M (on top of money its spent recently expanding its Italian subsidiary, reported to put into Alitalia, purchasing Brussels Airlines, potentially purchasing Austrian and its 50% share of 1bn Euros of debt it has - plus its just announched a slight drop in profits at Lufthy and has a number of aircraft purchases to replace some of its lufthy fleet) so keeping BMI as is and forming a pact with Virgin would be both prudent and in todays economic climate an option seriously worth considering.
I live in the South and use LHR a lot and whilst LHR is at 99% capacity in terms of movements, the aircraft arent showing similar load factors - LHR routes cannot survive solely on generating passengers from the south or who prepare to travel from the north for 4-5 hours by road or rail to heathrow and cannot also survive without transit passengers by air.
To cut a long story short (too late) i dont think the BMI name will go but more importantly i dont think it is necessarily the nail in our or other feeder heathrow routes coffins!
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Gosh UKLad you sound like you could work in the Lufthansa/bmi accounts department!!
Well it sounds more hopeful when put like that. Following yesterday's announcement, though, bloomberg reported that LH wanted to use the bmi slots at LHR to start A380 Longhaul operations under the LH name.
It may be interesting times ahead...all I know is I was wanting to book a bmi flight to connect longhaul next August from MME or LBA but now may have to think BA from NCL or MAN instead!
Well it sounds more hopeful when put like that. Following yesterday's announcement, though, bloomberg reported that LH wanted to use the bmi slots at LHR to start A380 Longhaul operations under the LH name.
It may be interesting times ahead...all I know is I was wanting to book a bmi flight to connect longhaul next August from MME or LBA but now may have to think BA from NCL or MAN instead!
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so i admit it could be possible for Lufthy to start Long haul am just not convinced at this stage of a total abandonment of the regions....and as i said it may make good sense to get into bed with Richard Branson so to speak, and any burning desire to do the routes he isnt (or any of the other star alliance partners at LHR for that matter of which there are a number of long haulers there) then so be it , how many more flights do we need to NYC et al in the US when the current ones are not near to 100% full... SMB didnt fight so long for the right to go transatlantic and then back out when he got that right for no reason - most in the press say he was wise not to join in the LHR-US dogfight
anyway i hope you will still be able to choose your local airport to make your journey to/via LHR on BMI long into the future
anyway i hope you will still be able to choose your local airport to make your journey to/via LHR on BMI long into the future