DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 4
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If GSM are staying at MME then they have created this situation themselves by stating Summer 2009 flights are on sale
And an interesting point from the T3 submission to the Competition Commission inquiry into BAA
And an interesting point from the T3 submission to the Competition Commission inquiry into BAA
It had briefly operated a route between Durham Tees 1
Valley and Brussels. This had manifested sufficient core traffic, but there were not sufficient additional route possibilities to justify basing an aircraft at Durham Tees Valley Airport.
Valley and Brussels. This had manifested sufficient core traffic, but there were not sufficient additional route possibilities to justify basing an aircraft at Durham Tees Valley Airport.
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Enough is Enough!
This site used to be a useful information tool for those well informed to share insight and data that would be relevant to our lives. Without the risk of sounding too hysterical; there has to be a time when humour must give way to tact and sensitivity.
There are many lifestyles and futures at stake over what the final GSPN announement wil be. We all know the current economic climate and because of this must all be realistic as to what the outcome is. GSPN are saying they know nothing but frankly I do not believe them. They are only saying this to stop the battered and bruised employees having the audacity to put their families first and move on. There may be a slight smell of arogance in that they no darn well such other opportunites are few and far between. Nevertheless, they keep everyone waiting.
So in finishing, can I just reasonably ask that if anyone has any well informed information to kindly share it. If all you have is idle speculation and nothing more then kindly keep it to yourself.
There are many lifestyles and futures at stake over what the final GSPN announement wil be. We all know the current economic climate and because of this must all be realistic as to what the outcome is. GSPN are saying they know nothing but frankly I do not believe them. They are only saying this to stop the battered and bruised employees having the audacity to put their families first and move on. There may be a slight smell of arogance in that they no darn well such other opportunites are few and far between. Nevertheless, they keep everyone waiting.
So in finishing, can I just reasonably ask that if anyone has any well informed information to kindly share it. If all you have is idle speculation and nothing more then kindly keep it to yourself.
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its not fair to compare MME with Bagby
I feel sorry for MME how can it compete with Bagby?, Bagby has a far bigger catchment aera,more movements,the opening hours are longer and what was big Phil's cafe is cleaner, offer's a far bigger choice of fresh food and the Staff can string more than two words together not a strong point up the road at Durrm teeees valli. (Q: What wine do you have? A: Red or White!!) ( Q: Do you have a glass of fresh orange? A: We got Sunny Delight, that's same stuff)
From a vistors point you have York just down the road(from Bagby), and most people still think that Jimmy Nail really did move the Transporter Bridge to the States, so as that was the only thing worth looking at in the North East, most people (and Airlines) seem to agree.
If you troll the site and look at DTV posts (they are nearly all his/hers anyway) you'll see they were saying good ridence to baby welcome Globespam.....can't see GSM staying past winter if Xmas
All a shame but with LBA & NCL nearby and the ever growing Bagby international something has to give
From a vistors point you have York just down the road(from Bagby), and most people still think that Jimmy Nail really did move the Transporter Bridge to the States, so as that was the only thing worth looking at in the North East, most people (and Airlines) seem to agree.
If you troll the site and look at DTV posts (they are nearly all his/hers anyway) you'll see they were saying good ridence to baby welcome Globespam.....can't see GSM staying past winter if Xmas
All a shame but with LBA & NCL nearby and the ever growing Bagby international something has to give
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Hear Hear Pinkpyjama!! Facelookbovvered - you mention "troll" in your post - how apt, suggest you look at the post above yours and keep your idle speculation to yourself. Remember, people's livliehoods are at stake here and stupid comments like your's are only likely to inflame an already volatile situation!
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You need to get out more Fella
People lives are at stake all over the world and not just in Aviation, we must not make light of anything in your little perfect world, the fact remains that MME or any other marginal airport will or will not survive depending not as a result of anything said on Pprune, but rather the travelling public from its catchment aera and their willingness or otherwise to buy flights from their local airport, to date they are not in the numbers required!! perhaps if some had sense of humour they might see the irony here.
Off for a beer and a game of Golf!!
Cheers
People lives are at stake all over the world and not just in Aviation, we must not make light of anything in your little perfect world, the fact remains that MME or any other marginal airport will or will not survive depending not as a result of anything said on Pprune, but rather the travelling public from its catchment aera and their willingness or otherwise to buy flights from their local airport, to date they are not in the numbers required!! perhaps if some had sense of humour they might see the irony here.
Off for a beer and a game of Golf!!
Cheers
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"Face "Is there a golf course near Bagby? I've heard that the Hilton Group had considered opening one but then decided to move to EGNV, lured as they were by the promise of a cheaper building erected by a plant hire contractor in Charltons(?)
As for the pyjama boy this is a Rumours Board it caters for people having a little amusement by speculating on the fate of things which in reality they have little chance of influencing.No-one at GSM will be dependant on PPrune for their livelihoods!
As for the pyjama boy this is a Rumours Board it caters for people having a little amusement by speculating on the fate of things which in reality they have little chance of influencing.No-one at GSM will be dependant on PPrune for their livelihoods!
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From my point of view i wouldt really be that fussed if GSM did jump ship at MME. For starters their prices are sky high, low cost?, yeah if you say so! And also non of their destinations particularily appeal to me apart from mallorca and I could get a package deal for 10 people for the price of their flights!!
And to hell with me upsetting peoples livelyhoods, if they dont want to hear rumours why come on a rumour forum
And to hell with me upsetting peoples livelyhoods, if they dont want to hear rumours why come on a rumour forum
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Nobody least of all me has any problem with peoples opinons being expressed even if they are probably realised with about a few seconds thought.
But please! This flipping GSPN will it won't it has gone round the houses loads of times and then some.
All I was (and still are) requesting is perhaps a well connected bit of info. Listen this business like many at the moment is messy. Bases open, bases close, airlines come, airlines go. We can all live with that, infact many of us have been doing this for years.
As for GSPN, what one makes of them is entirely ones choice. The punter always has a choice where to place it's cash.
Oh and finally, for those who think it's a laugh. It always is when it doesn't concern you financially.
But please! This flipping GSPN will it won't it has gone round the houses loads of times and then some.
All I was (and still are) requesting is perhaps a well connected bit of info. Listen this business like many at the moment is messy. Bases open, bases close, airlines come, airlines go. We can all live with that, infact many of us have been doing this for years.
As for GSPN, what one makes of them is entirely ones choice. The punter always has a choice where to place it's cash.
Oh and finally, for those who think it's a laugh. It always is when it doesn't concern you financially.
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"Oh and finally, for those who think it's a laugh. It always is when it doesn't concern you financially"
Fair comment, and point taken.
What is a laugh however, is the unbelievable guff which is spouted by the owners,managers, operators of EGNV which appears regular as clockwork in the local rag and is repeated on this board.
There is no "ongoing expansion" or "major investment" in this airport BMI recognised that and so has GSM so too are the pax if you look at the figures.Without a serious change in attitudes Peel will take this airport to its' grave in two seasons. Currently there is a masterplan out there whether you believe it or not, and it doesn't include long noisy pointy things with flat bits sticking out of the sides
Fair comment, and point taken.
What is a laugh however, is the unbelievable guff which is spouted by the owners,managers, operators of EGNV which appears regular as clockwork in the local rag and is repeated on this board.
There is no "ongoing expansion" or "major investment" in this airport BMI recognised that and so has GSM so too are the pax if you look at the figures.Without a serious change in attitudes Peel will take this airport to its' grave in two seasons. Currently there is a masterplan out there whether you believe it or not, and it doesn't include long noisy pointy things with flat bits sticking out of the sides
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G-OTDA returned with an emergency yesterday about 40 mins into the Alicante flight. On arrival into our airspace they decided to divert to Glasgow, it arrived there at 6pm and is still there!! So hence the mess, as GSM dont sub-charter they must be sending something else in from Alicante.
G-OTDA is a dog, I hope the next operator knows this!!
G-OTDA is a dog, I hope the next operator knows this!!
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I know tech problems are out of GSMs control but not "subbing" is totally ridiculous!! Titan have perfectly good B733s sitting waiting for work at STN today!!
But no, lets muddle through the schedule which is currently running 7 hours late!!
I for one will be glad to see the back of this set of amateurs!!
But no, lets muddle through the schedule which is currently running 7 hours late!!
I for one will be glad to see the back of this set of amateurs!!
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Have you seen the prices Titan charge for their aircraft at short notice? I don't blame GSM for not going with them!
GSM have been better at covering tech aircraft than bmibaby did, at least GSM will position in another aircraft to cover as soon as one's free - WW never did that.
4567 - GSM are getting rid of both B733s, as well as the two remaining B736s, so I have no idea what they'll give us if they're still gonna be here this time next year.
GSM have been better at covering tech aircraft than bmibaby did, at least GSM will position in another aircraft to cover as soon as one's free - WW never did that.
4567 - GSM are getting rid of both B733s, as well as the two remaining B736s, so I have no idea what they'll give us if they're still gonna be here this time next year.
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July Statistics
Total pax for July: 71105 (down 21.2% on the same period last year)
The above figure looks worse than it is, because if you break down the statistics, this is what you get:
ABZ 2910 (+5%)
ACE 417 (-70%)
AGP 3288 (-44%)
ALC 9438 (+3%)
AMS 10361 (+1% - NCL/LBA-AMS down 8% [nearly 2K pax])
BGR 129
BJV 2776 (+65% - NCL/LBA-BJV saw a big drop)
BOJ 707 (-63%)
BRU 15 (-98%)
BSR 207
DLM 3755 (+1% - NCL/LBA-DLM saw a big drop)
DUB 5208 (+/- 0% - NCL-DUB down 25% [nearly 5K pax], LBA down 2%)
FAO 2226 (-15% - NCL-FAO down 26%)
GLA 10
GRO 4573 (+12%)
IBZ 1703 (-60%)
JER 947 (+1% - 80% load factor)
LBA 150
LHR: 7377 (+8% - only us and MAN which are up)
MAH 1162 (-49%)
OSL 125 (+6%)
PMI 7479 (-45%)
REU 2566 (-12%)
TFS 1146 (-38%)
WAW 2716 (+17% - 84% load factor, not comparable I know but NCL-KRK down 37%)
YQX 127
Not good all the negative percentages but I reckon most routes are doing well with the massively decreased capacity this summer.
The above figure looks worse than it is, because if you break down the statistics, this is what you get:
ABZ 2910 (+5%)
ACE 417 (-70%)
AGP 3288 (-44%)
ALC 9438 (+3%)
AMS 10361 (+1% - NCL/LBA-AMS down 8% [nearly 2K pax])
BGR 129
BJV 2776 (+65% - NCL/LBA-BJV saw a big drop)
BOJ 707 (-63%)
BRU 15 (-98%)
BSR 207
DLM 3755 (+1% - NCL/LBA-DLM saw a big drop)
DUB 5208 (+/- 0% - NCL-DUB down 25% [nearly 5K pax], LBA down 2%)
FAO 2226 (-15% - NCL-FAO down 26%)
GLA 10
GRO 4573 (+12%)
IBZ 1703 (-60%)
JER 947 (+1% - 80% load factor)
LBA 150
LHR: 7377 (+8% - only us and MAN which are up)
MAH 1162 (-49%)
OSL 125 (+6%)
PMI 7479 (-45%)
REU 2566 (-12%)
TFS 1146 (-38%)
WAW 2716 (+17% - 84% load factor, not comparable I know but NCL-KRK down 37%)
YQX 127
Not good all the negative percentages but I reckon most routes are doing well with the massively decreased capacity this summer.
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Big X is correct i was delayed for 3 hours by baby positioning an aircraft after a starter went tits up on push back. But it wont be a problem next year because there will be nothing there to go tech if the current drop out rate is correct and BTW way its a fair sign an airline is pulling out when the divert MME pax to ALC in to EDI
DTV do you work for Nu Labour? how can 21% down be positive when nearly every other airport is reporting growth?
DTV do you work for Nu Labour? how can 21% down be positive when nearly every other airport is reporting growth?