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For those interested in more detail on traffic, the CSO stats are now vastly more up to date than they used to be and it's possible to get passengers per route right up to June.
Passenger Movement by Irish Airport, Direction, Foreign Airport and Month - StatBank - data and statistics
Passenger Movement by Irish Airport, Direction, Foreign Airport and Month - StatBank - data and statistics
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How has the Iberia express Madrid route performed, is it returning next year?
Any news yet of any new routes for summer'17 from EI assume they will be finalising summer schedule soon
On the subject, just thinking that BA Cityflyer operation during peak season weekends at Cork could be an opportunity to expand services if demand is there. it went well at DUB this year and I think EI ever adding a fifth aircraft at Cork is not an option for the foreseeable.
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Leeds is no suprise needed a Fri/Sun or Mon rotation. One plus is Flybe has realised that Cardiff needed a Mon/Fri schedule to make it viable and it starts next month.
Good to see strong growth even though WX LCY ended and winter should not see major impact to.
With FR up in 2017 hopefully EI/EIR can boost any empty capacity within schedules and IB to MAD gets a few extra weeks.
Good to see strong growth even though WX LCY ended and winter should not see major impact to.
With FR up in 2017 hopefully EI/EIR can boost any empty capacity within schedules and IB to MAD gets a few extra weeks.
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Launching Leeds at the same time as expanding Manchester was also quite a strange decision. It was adding a good bit of extra capacity into a relatively small area.
The capacity could have perhaps been better used by increasing frequency to Bristol or Edinburgh, although FlyBE's launch of a Cardiff service has probably had some impact on the Bristol route.
The capacity could have perhaps been better used by increasing frequency to Bristol or Edinburgh, although FlyBE's launch of a Cardiff service has probably had some impact on the Bristol route.
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Yes massive, you would likely lose at least a daily flight. I will be shocked if KLM just leave Cork with no service.
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If they did launch it then EI could add new routes and deliver a twice daily CDG schedule.
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If they did launch it then EI could add new routes and deliver a twice daily CDG schedule.
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It's 45% of passengers who are connecting on ORK-AMS (representing around 80K passengers per year), although not all are connecting to KLM.
Maintenance of the ability to connect to KLM was one of the European Commission's conditions for the IAG takeover to go ahead. However, that doesn't mean that there has to be a formal codeshare, so while the ability to connect may be there, the ability to book a flight from Cork on the KLM website would go.
As said by EI-A330-300, KLM will know exactly how many people are connecting out of Cork and what the revenue they are getting from follow-on flights is, so they will know if it is worthwhile adding their own connection.
The only real caveat I would have is that a lot of the Cork connections are on to short-haul destinations not served from Cork, while from Dublin, the connections are predominantly to eastbound long-haul. What that means is that the yield for KLM from Cork pax will be lower than from Dublin, so the business case won't be as strong for launching it themselves.
Should they decide to launch, I would expect a Cityhopper service with a 2x daily E190 (possibly an E175 or Fokker 70 at launch).
Maintenance of the ability to connect to KLM was one of the European Commission's conditions for the IAG takeover to go ahead. However, that doesn't mean that there has to be a formal codeshare, so while the ability to connect may be there, the ability to book a flight from Cork on the KLM website would go.
As said by EI-A330-300, KLM will know exactly how many people are connecting out of Cork and what the revenue they are getting from follow-on flights is, so they will know if it is worthwhile adding their own connection.
The only real caveat I would have is that a lot of the Cork connections are on to short-haul destinations not served from Cork, while from Dublin, the connections are predominantly to eastbound long-haul. What that means is that the yield for KLM from Cork pax will be lower than from Dublin, so the business case won't be as strong for launching it themselves.
Should they decide to launch, I would expect a Cityhopper service with a 2x daily E190 (possibly an E175 or Fokker 70 at launch).
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Maintenance of the ability to connect to KLM was one of the European Commission's conditions for the IAG takeover to go ahead. However, that doesn't mean that there has to be a formal codeshare, so while the ability to connect may be there, the ability to book a flight from Cork on the KLM website would go.
Whatever happens I couldn't possibly see EI keeping the two daily if it goes, they could easily make money sending it down to the Med in summer.
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If that is the case, they would definitely be launching their own route. There's no benefit to KLM dropping the codeshare, unless they plan to replace it.
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Have flown several times on the KLM Fokker 100 from Belfast to Amsterdam.
Much smaller jet (and a lot older) than the A320 which Aer Lingus operate out of Cork on their double daily Amsterdam services.
KLM must without doubt be planning to fly to Cork if they are dropping their codeshare with Aer Lingus. It will be a big blow to EI as Amsterdam must be their busiest route from Cork after Heathrow.
Would be great to see Aer Lingus increase their Paris service to a double daily for greater connectivity to Cork.
Also maybe a return to Gatwick with a double daily would be great as BA still have a presence at Gatwick along with Virgin and several low cost carriers like Norwegian and EasyJet.
If CityJet take over Stobart, the Sukhoi Super Jet could really suit Cork if they operate under the Aer Lingus Regional brand. Not only could it be used for increased services to Paris but maybe we could see the return of Geneva and Nice flights then too.
Much smaller jet (and a lot older) than the A320 which Aer Lingus operate out of Cork on their double daily Amsterdam services.
KLM must without doubt be planning to fly to Cork if they are dropping their codeshare with Aer Lingus. It will be a big blow to EI as Amsterdam must be their busiest route from Cork after Heathrow.
Would be great to see Aer Lingus increase their Paris service to a double daily for greater connectivity to Cork.
Also maybe a return to Gatwick with a double daily would be great as BA still have a presence at Gatwick along with Virgin and several low cost carriers like Norwegian and EasyJet.
If CityJet take over Stobart, the Sukhoi Super Jet could really suit Cork if they operate under the Aer Lingus Regional brand. Not only could it be used for increased services to Paris but maybe we could see the return of Geneva and Nice flights then too.
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KLM must without doubt be planning to fly to Cork if they are dropping their codeshare with Aer Lingus. It will be a big blow to EI as Amsterdam must be their busiest route from Cork after Heathrow.
KLM are apparently still committed to the EI codeshares - so while they have not loaded them for the period past mid-March, it doesn't yet mean that they won't continue.
At present, it is impossible to buy a ticket combining both KL and EI flights from any agent, so it is something they will probably need to decide on soon.
And as regards EI not being able to maintain 13-weekly service to AMS without KL pax - that was my initial fear, too. However, a bit of research showed that KLM only started codesharing on the route back in 2001, at which time EI was already running 2 daily B737s on the route.
KLM and Aer Lingus To Expand Codesharing | News | Breaking Travel News
Back then, there were six daily EI flights between DUB and AMS. That had slipped to 5 in recent years, and when FR came on the route, it was down to 4.
KL have increased their DUB-AMS offering to 4 daily with the start of the summer 2017 timetable, meaning that each of EI, FR and KL will have 4 daily flights between DUB and AMS.