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Great news about a new parallel runway for Dublin airport but wish the DAA would at least extend the 07/25 to the west in Cork and these diversions would be become history.
Sad state of affairs that the airport of the second city of the Republic and the only real economic counterweight to Dublin is still hindered by short runways.
Even Knock has longer runway than Cork.
Sad state of affairs that the airport of the second city of the Republic and the only real economic counterweight to Dublin is still hindered by short runways.
Even Knock has longer runway than Cork.
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1. 5 of the 9 diversions were Stobarts, which can actually use 07/25.
2. The length of the Runway in Cork does not affect it's operations, the largest operation ORK could expect is 767 ops which it can handle without problems.
3. 07/25 cannot be extended due to terrain, housing and roads on both sides, just as 17/35 cannot be extended for the same reasons.
4. Building of the M20 would offer a far more effective counterweight to Dublin than extending of a Runway at ORK.
5. Several fog diversions each year, CAT III ILS cannot be implemented in ORK either.
2. The length of the Runway in Cork does not affect it's operations, the largest operation ORK could expect is 767 ops which it can handle without problems.
3. 07/25 cannot be extended due to terrain, housing and roads on both sides, just as 17/35 cannot be extended for the same reasons.
4. Building of the M20 would offer a far more effective counterweight to Dublin than extending of a Runway at ORK.
5. Several fog diversions each year, CAT III ILS cannot be implemented in ORK either.
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Cork airport`s short runways limits Cork`s potential development.
07/25 CAN be extended to the west.
17/35 CAN be extended to the south.
A 767 is weight restricted for long range off 17/35.
07/25 CAN be extended to the west.
17/35 CAN be extended to the south.
A 767 is weight restricted for long range off 17/35.
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Neither runway can be extended, to do so would be compleatly uneconomic. Major drop-offs at either end of 17/35 and housing and a main road to Kinsale on 07/25. Length of runway would not have helped, it's the height above sea leval which is the real problem. Plus the storm that hit Cork on sunday was un real
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Its rural countryside to the west of 25, just a handful of houses so it can easily be extended.
Extending to the East is not a not an option. To the north of 35 is not an option due to the drop off but a moderate extension to the south of 17 of around 300m is possible.
DAA pax can be expected to pay as there are 2 airports in the DAA group.
It`s obvious though, Cork airport won`t reach its potential development as part of the DAA group as all focus is on Dublin Airport.
It`s about time Cork Airport became independent rather than being planned and run as a second tier airport of the DAA.
Extending to the East is not a not an option. To the north of 35 is not an option due to the drop off but a moderate extension to the south of 17 of around 300m is possible.
DAA pax can be expected to pay as there are 2 airports in the DAA group.
It`s obvious though, Cork airport won`t reach its potential development as part of the DAA group as all focus is on Dublin Airport.
It`s about time Cork Airport became independent rather than being planned and run as a second tier airport of the DAA.
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What will Independence do?
* Get a deal with FR like SNN for a year who are now scaling back and actually growing at daa controlled Cork
* Extend the runway when the two largest operators will be 100% against it and then force them to pay for it?
* Attract a spate of T/A carriers who will dilute operators at SNN/DUB?
The same airport under daa has grown 10% in Q1 and similar expected throughout 2016. I'm sure the daa would love to let it go nothing will change just like at SNN not a single new operator attracted outside FR and low scale return of EIR. Cork under daa has secured 3-4.
What will Independence do?
* Get a deal with FR like SNN for a year who are now scaling back and actually growing at daa controlled Cork
* Extend the runway when the two largest operators will be 100% against it and then force them to pay for it?
* Attract a spate of T/A carriers who will dilute operators at SNN/DUB?
The same airport under daa has grown 10% in Q1 and similar expected throughout 2016. I'm sure the daa would love to let it go nothing will change just like at SNN not a single new operator attracted outside FR and low scale return of EIR. Cork under daa has secured 3-4.
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What will Independence do?
* Get a deal with FR like SNN for a year who are now scaling back and actually growing at daa controlled Cork
* Extend the runway when the two largest operators will be 100% against it and then force them to pay for it?
* Attract a spate of T/A carriers who will dilute operators at SNN/DUB?
The same airport under daa has grown 10% in Q1 and similar expected throughout 2016. I'm sure the daa would love to let it go nothing will change just like at SNN not a single new operator attracted outside FR and low scale return of EIR. Cork under daa has secured 3-4.
What will Independence do?
* Get a deal with FR like SNN for a year who are now scaling back and actually growing at daa controlled Cork
* Extend the runway when the two largest operators will be 100% against it and then force them to pay for it?
* Attract a spate of T/A carriers who will dilute operators at SNN/DUB?
The same airport under daa has grown 10% in Q1 and similar expected throughout 2016. I'm sure the daa would love to let it go nothing will change just like at SNN not a single new operator attracted outside FR and low scale return of EIR. Cork under daa has secured 3-4.
SNN has a limited population, drawing pax largely from the midwest and a little further afield towards Galway.
Cork alone has a population of 520,000 and draws pax from Kerry, Tipperary, Waterford and further afield.
Cork must have transatlantic ops to aid the development of the entire region. The largest foreign investment by far is from the US, especially in the IT and Pharma industries.
The current 7,000ft runway discourages airlines to begin such services. Obvious exception being Norwegian as it will use the 737MAX. It has been said many times before but most business travel ex Cork cross the Atlantic via Heathrow.
I don`t believe the DAA have any motivation to lengthen any runway in Cork and only an independent Cork Authority would have the ambition to achieve that.
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To compare SNN with Cork is ridiculous.
SNN has a limited population, drawing pax largely from the midwest and a little further afield towards Galway.
Cork alone has a population of 520,000 and draws pax from Kerry, Tipperary, Waterford and further afield.
Cork must have transatlantic ops to aid the development of the entire region. The largest foreign investment by far is from the US, especially in the IT and Pharma industries.
The current 7,000ft runway discourages airlines to begin such services. Obvious exception being Norwegian as it will use the 737MAX. It has been said many times before but most business travel ex Cork cross the Atlantic via Heathrow.
I don`t believe the DAA have any motivation to lengthen any runway in Cork and only an independent Cork Authority would have the ambition to achieve that.
SNN has a limited population, drawing pax largely from the midwest and a little further afield towards Galway.
Cork alone has a population of 520,000 and draws pax from Kerry, Tipperary, Waterford and further afield.
Cork must have transatlantic ops to aid the development of the entire region. The largest foreign investment by far is from the US, especially in the IT and Pharma industries.
The current 7,000ft runway discourages airlines to begin such services. Obvious exception being Norwegian as it will use the 737MAX. It has been said many times before but most business travel ex Cork cross the Atlantic via Heathrow.
I don`t believe the DAA have any motivation to lengthen any runway in Cork and only an independent Cork Authority would have the ambition to achieve that.
You speak of population yes it's big but easily for 50%+ DUB/SNN are just as easier to get to with time difference not been significant with much more suitable offerings for many.
Cork "must" have T/A ops, given it has not negatively impacted on such investment before such services are irrelevant in relation to investment.
The runway is suitable for the MAX and that will be the future aircraft size for Cork and even Shannon for the most part and 2 or 3 big US carriers have MAX's arriving in next 2-3 years (UA and AA) so if they want to fly form Cork then they will. The runway is just an "excuse". An independent Cork would have more pressing issues to deal with if independent such as cost cutting the airport into profitability. While it's claimed it's profitable day to day splitting from the daa would impact this with legacy issues.
There is nothing stopping Cork from gaining T/A ops in coming years.
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Clearly, you`re a Dub Jamie.
The lack of connectivity to Cork, particularly from the US has negatively impacted foreign investment in the Cork region and from my background I personally know that.
The lack of connectivity to Cork, particularly from the US has negatively impacted foreign investment in the Cork region and from my background I personally know that.
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FYI Cork would be my local home airport however usage by friends/family has declined significantly in the last 10 years with only a small part to economic conditions. Time to DUB cut by 50% and only around 30-40 minutes less to Cork than Dublin where as before it would of been 80-90 minutes more to DUB.
So has FDI reduced in Cork or increased in recent years?
So has FDI reduced in Cork or increased in recent years?
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Sorry Jamie, I`m not getting into that on a public forum but there have been several large investment projects in recent years that Cork has been passed over due to lack of connectivity to Cork.
However, a recent example of US divestment from Cork that is in the public forum was the transfer of the EMC technology demonstration centre from Cork to a location near Heathrow last year. The Cork based employees were offered either a transfer to London or redundancy.
However, a recent example of US divestment from Cork that is in the public forum was the transfer of the EMC technology demonstration centre from Cork to a location near Heathrow last year. The Cork based employees were offered either a transfer to London or redundancy.
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Sorry Jamie, I`m not getting into that on a public forum but there have been several large investment projects in recent years that Cork has been passed over due to lack of connectivity to Cork.
However, a recent example of US divestment from Cork that is in the public forum was the transfer of the EMC technology demonstration centre from Cork to a location near Heathrow last year. The Cork based employees were offered either a transfer to London or redundancy.
However, a recent example of US divestment from Cork that is in the public forum was the transfer of the EMC technology demonstration centre from Cork to a location near Heathrow last year. The Cork based employees were offered either a transfer to London or redundancy.
You really reckon EMC moved to London was totally based on air access, clearly DUB's Euro and US networks weren't enough either so they would not of stayed in Cork with a few times weekly service to JFK or BOS. Locating to their UK HQ makes a lot of sense commercially for such a company.
Need to be realistic about it, there was a lot more to that move!
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I don`t reckon Jamie, I know that.
Due to the lack of connectivity to Cork, EMC actually had a business jet based in Cork to fly in potential EMEA clients to their technology demo centre.
Due to the lack of connectivity to Cork, EMC actually had a business jet based in Cork to fly in potential EMEA clients to their technology demo centre.
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If this lack of connectivity is such a driving issue, why have no US airlines, particularly UAL, not introduced services?
In terms of businesses using the lack of connectivity as an excuse, you'd be surpired how many companies around the Mid West send their employees to New York and Boston from Shannon, through LHR!
In terms of businesses using the lack of connectivity as an excuse, you'd be surpired how many companies around the Mid West send their employees to New York and Boston from Shannon, through LHR!