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Old 24th Sep 2013, 14:25
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I had a family member on the BRX flt yesterday. Hanging about until one hour after scheduled when it was cancelled and the only option offered was the Friday flt. The ORK - BRX fare was reimbursed after 3.5 hour q and, while waiting, the online purchase (by me) of a one way Dub - BRX this morning at €400, last seat available.

Ho-hum, customer service??
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 16:12
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BRX is in the Dominican Republic.

It's not the IAA, who provides weather. Airlines' operations depts will consult met office issued 24hr TAFs, and make decisions accordingly.

I've been based in ORK for over five years and in that time diverted only once due to visibility being under CAT II minima. Doubt a case could be made for CAT III, it would certainly be more beneficial to look at extending rwy 25.

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Old 24th Sep 2013, 16:54
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Cork's RVR tends to change rapidly as it's low cloud rather than fog that causes the problem. It never stays below CAT 2 for very long which is why I think Ryanair acted too hastily in switching their morning departures to Shannon. All 5 flights would have comfortably made it in if they stuck to their original schedule.

Always better to go by actuals rather than forecasts when operating to Cork.

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Old 24th Sep 2013, 23:31
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Always better to go by actuals rather than forecasts when operating to Cork.
The flight crew get their MET briefing well before departure which may be 90 minutes or more before their scheduled arrival time at their destination airport.
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They are more interested on what weather is forecast for when they are scheduled to arrive.
Once they are getting close to their destination is the actual current weather of concern.

I think Ryanair acted too hastily in switching their morning departures to Shannon
They made a strategic decision to have their initial departures in a place where they were confident that they could leave on schedule.

This meant a slight hit initially to their operations but as the day progressed all other sectors could be carried out.
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 23:51
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This meant a slight hit initially to their operations but as the day progressed all other sectors could be carried out.
So did the whole Aer Lingus schedule from Cork.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 06:25
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Cork was opened to CAT 2 traffic from 6pm on Monday and all Aerlingus and Aer Arann flights operated after that time apart from those that were cancelled. Diverting on the basis of what the RVR might be in 16 hours time is premature in my view.

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Old 25th Sep 2013, 09:41
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Well problems in Cork have moved to DUB with a couple of diversions.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 10:38
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I'm just waiting for problems to occur today. Visibility isn't much better than Monday and you'd feel that it could easily deteriorate.

I assume the problem in DUB is aircraft that aren't equipped for CAT III?
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 10:40
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RVR's are in excess of 1,200 and expected to remain around that until 6, so all going good we should have a fully operational day today.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 12:04
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I'll defer to your actual figures, but it certainly doesn't look like 1,200 up here today.
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Old 25th Sep 2013, 12:39
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I'll defer to your actual figures, but it certainly doesn't look like 1,200 up here today.
Well I'm sure as you appreciate, RVR's change rapidly at Cork - So you can differ away. 1,200 unchanged when I posted that this morning, now 375 at Touchdown zone.

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Old 26th Sep 2013, 14:48
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RVR's are in excess of 1,200 and expected to remain around that until 6
1,200 unchanged when I posted that this morning, now 375 at Touchdown zone
In a period of 90 minutes it dis improved significantly.

Per Today's Irish Independent Business section bottom right of page 6.

The definition of "weather related delays" to a flight before compo is due appears to be narrowing.

Diverting on the basis of what the RVR might be in 16 hours time is premature in my view.
So maybe the re positioning of Aircraft based on the forecast weather is a very pragmatic and sound business practice.

150 passengers minimum per flight all getting €250 each where delays are in excess of 3 hours is a few euro.

Yes I agree it would play havoc with the travel plans of all concerned but this is business.
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Old 29th Sep 2013, 00:36
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Falcon have cancelled there weekly ORK via SNN-ACE flights for the winter.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 09:11
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Cork Airport Ranked First For Customer Satisfaction In Global Passenger Survey

Fair play to the management for winning this award, obvious attempts the last few months to gauge customers opinions with regards services at the airport. Of particular interest is the comment made by Niall MacCarthy,
There will be additional announcements in the coming months and we are confident of further passenger growth across all airlines in 2014
Latest News > Cork Airport Ranked First For Customer Satisfaction In Global Passenger Survey
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 11:57
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Well done to ORK.

I'm sure there must be an announcement pending for Aer Lingus Regional. They are to base 3 ATRs for next summer, I think? No firm plans announced yet, but increased frequency to MAN, BHX and probably Scotland taken as given?
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 12:45
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Based on loads (and I am aware that loads and yields do not equate, but we don't get access to that) the order of priority for the expansion of existing routes would be

1. Bristol
2. Edinburgh
3. Birmingham
4. Manchester
5. Jersey
6. Glasgow

That said, an expansion into Cardiff would probably preclude additional capacity in Bristol.

I could easily imagine that yields on Manchester and Birmingham are higher than Bristol though.

A further unknown in this is what Aer Lingus Regional do in Shannon. If they significantly increased any of those routes from Shannon, it would make them less likely to increase flights to the same destination from Cork.

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Old 1st Oct 2013, 13:09
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EIR will base an additional a/c at SNN from next spring, expect doubling up of BHX, BRS to return at least
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So at the moment, although demand seems strongest on Bristol, it now has the luxury of being the only route from Munster to the South-West of England and South Wales. Should Cork-Cardiff and Shannon-Bristol be in the mix, I'd doubt there's scope for much expansion from Cork.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 14:51
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EIR will base an additional a/c at SNN from next spring, expect doubling up of BHX, BRS to return at least
Where did you get that one from? Manchester operates OK and the NOC-BHX service affected loads to an extent where they axed it.

EIR will be basing a third unit at Cork from March next. The second based aircraft in Shannon will operate the near-same schedule at Shannon as was in 2012. (Basically no change to Shannon services except the return of Bristol).

1. Bristol
2. Edinburgh
3. Birmingham
4. Manchester
5. Jersey
6. Glasgow
Going on my own interpretation of the loads on these flights, I'd think BHX, MAN and EDI would be priority followed by BRS.
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Old 1st Oct 2013, 16:53
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October is generally the month for speculation in Cork although in recent years much of it has turned to disappointment by November. The talk of growth continued untill early 2013 but once again traffic has declined particularly since the Summer.

Hopefully the upbeat predictions will come to pass in 2014.
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