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So they're clearly going after Wizzair...
Anyway, apparently this means a 2nd based aircraft from November. Surely, this won't just be used on the Polish/Lithuanian routes? So how do they use it otherwise - more new routes or just operating STN from the Cork end?
Anyway, apparently this means a 2nd based aircraft from November. Surely, this won't just be used on the Polish/Lithuanian routes? So how do they use it otherwise - more new routes or just operating STN from the Cork end?
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It's disgusting that Ryanair are allowed get away with this. They're going onto every Wizzair route out of Cork, and will no doubt drive Wizzair off just like they drove Easyjet off the Cork Gatwick route. I hope people see though these lowlifes.
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No its the type of ***** people who manage Cork airport that are the problem here.
Would be great if Wizz packed up and left Cork from October and moved into SNN and then give the few FR new routes a few months before a raw happens and they are pulled and then see what Cork Management will do.
Cork will deserve to lose Wizz very soon as they pushed them out.
Would be great if Wizz packed up and left Cork from October and moved into SNN and then give the few FR new routes a few months before a raw happens and they are pulled and then see what Cork Management will do.
Cork will deserve to lose Wizz very soon as they pushed them out.
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aisle2c - Wizz have done the same to some of Ryanair's routes in the past in Eastern Europe, and have also recruited several ex Ryanair staff in order to attempt to wager a war against them also - see my post in the Ryanair thread.
There are pros and cons to both carriers, but Wizz have even more extra charges than Ryanair despite their claims that they are more friendly than FR.
EI-EIDW - All very well but the problem with W6 is they have quite a narrow passenger demographic compared to FR on Polish routes, you go and ask your average non Polish person in Ireland if they have heard of Wizz, they haven't and this is why FR may feel they can make such routes work. W6 have quite poor brand recognition in Western Europe, apart from amongst those who have emigrated from Eastern Europe to Western Europe, they do it seems, have stronger brand recognition in Eastern Europe than Ryanair.
In any case we'll see who wins and such competition will be good for the passenger at the end of the day. This is what a free market brings, you will always have such competition between airlines, isn't this the whole argument about why FR should not buy EI because one airline on a route would be bad for consumers?
There are pros and cons to both carriers, but Wizz have even more extra charges than Ryanair despite their claims that they are more friendly than FR.
EI-EIDW - All very well but the problem with W6 is they have quite a narrow passenger demographic compared to FR on Polish routes, you go and ask your average non Polish person in Ireland if they have heard of Wizz, they haven't and this is why FR may feel they can make such routes work. W6 have quite poor brand recognition in Western Europe, apart from amongst those who have emigrated from Eastern Europe to Western Europe, they do it seems, have stronger brand recognition in Eastern Europe than Ryanair.
In any case we'll see who wins and such competition will be good for the passenger at the end of the day. This is what a free market brings, you will always have such competition between airlines, isn't this the whole argument about why FR should not buy EI because one airline on a route would be bad for consumers?
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THe word is ex Ryanair staff not current FR staff so whats the problem are they suposed to not work for another loco that FR don't like once they part ways with FR. 
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No but I'm just illustrating that this war is not simply one way if you look in the press in Hungary, Poland and other countries both airlines have been going hammer and tonge against each other for months and duplicating each others routes. The airlines avoided each other for years but then W6 started to compete with FR on one or two routes and since then both of them have been hitting back at each other in various places and a war through the media.
People like Daniel De Carvaliho who is now with Wizz were apparently headhunted to try and help Wizz in the fight against Ryanair, the word was he didn't leave FR just to leave FR, he left FR because he was wanted by W6 who were preparing to take on FR.
People like Daniel De Carvaliho who is now with Wizz were apparently headhunted to try and help Wizz in the fight against Ryanair, the word was he didn't leave FR just to leave FR, he left FR because he was wanted by W6 who were preparing to take on FR.
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I do see you point but do Cork airport managment not realise whats going to happen and they are going to use carrier only to gain a carrier who will cut, move routes at the drop of a hat when it pleases them.
Like what will these so called "New Routes" do for Cork Airport besides more than double capacity to eastren europe when the market is contracting and drive an airline and possibly jobs away from Cork and all the crap that FR will create 800 jobs is a complete joke as I bet the majority of extra crew will come from other bases for winter where operations are reduced.
Cork Managment need to look up the term "New Routes" and see what it means as I see no new routes announced other than KRK which is almost in KTW.
Like what will these so called "New Routes" do for Cork Airport besides more than double capacity to eastren europe when the market is contracting and drive an airline and possibly jobs away from Cork and all the crap that FR will create 800 jobs is a complete joke as I bet the majority of extra crew will come from other bases for winter where operations are reduced.
Cork Managment need to look up the term "New Routes" and see what it means as I see no new routes announced other than KRK which is almost in KTW.
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EI-EIDW->The hands of management are tied. As a state airport, they can't refuse access to Ryanair. Ryanair will pay full fees, unlike Wizzair who will still be on a discount on most routes.
DublinPole->In the short term it encourages competition. Long term it is an anti-competitive move. It will probably force out Wizzair and also discourage others from coming in to Ryanair's territory.
DublinPole->In the short term it encourages competition. Long term it is an anti-competitive move. It will probably force out Wizzair and also discourage others from coming in to Ryanair's territory.
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EI-EIDW->The hands of management are tied. As a state airport, they can't refuse access to Ryanair. Ryanair will pay full fees, unlike Wizzair who will still be on a discount on most routes.
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Maybe they will, maybe they will not, we will just have to wait and see what happens. Nobody can predict what will happen for sure. Sometimes Ryanair do that but sometimes they don't. For example EI pulled out of the Krakow route and FR have since upped frequency not reduced it, so they don't always cut when others pull out.
W6 prices from Cork to Poland were quite large coming in at well over the prices of most flights from Dublin to Poland, which was the result clearly of no competition on such routes, it was not uncommon for no prices to be below 70 euro per flight at best. Now they will be forced to reduced such prices with competition and that will only benefit the consumer. Already W6 have reduced the prices of their flights having just looked at the site.
The same has happened with EI on flights from Dublin to Warsaw, it was impossible to get a flight for below 100 euro most of the time, now since FR started operated to Modlin most flights booked a month in advance start at around 70 euro and when flights to Modlin go seven days a week from the Winter EI's fares fall still further.
W6 prices from Cork to Poland were quite large coming in at well over the prices of most flights from Dublin to Poland, which was the result clearly of no competition on such routes, it was not uncommon for no prices to be below 70 euro per flight at best. Now they will be forced to reduced such prices with competition and that will only benefit the consumer. Already W6 have reduced the prices of their flights having just looked at the site.
The same has happened with EI on flights from Dublin to Warsaw, it was impossible to get a flight for below 100 euro most of the time, now since FR started operated to Modlin most flights booked a month in advance start at around 70 euro and when flights to Modlin go seven days a week from the Winter EI's fares fall still further.
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EI-EIDW->I agree. Although I don't think Cork Airport will offer a deal. More than likely FR will create a fuss and withdraw the 2nd aircraft leaving the routes unserved.
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Gdansk - 2 weekly (Tuesday and Saturday)
Krakow - 3 weekly (Monday, Wednesday and Friday)
Vilnius - 2 weekly (Monday and Friday) -
Warsaw - 3 weekly (Sunday, Wednesday and Friday)
Wroclaw - 2 weekly (Sunday and Thursday)
Krakow - 3 weekly (Monday, Wednesday and Friday)
Vilnius - 2 weekly (Monday and Friday) -
Warsaw - 3 weekly (Sunday, Wednesday and Friday)
Wroclaw - 2 weekly (Sunday and Thursday)
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This opens up an opportunity for SHN or NOC to step in with Wizzair (who I'm sure are dissapointed at the way Cork has managed this) and make an attractive offer for some of these services. I'm sure both of these airports would welcome the business, especially for the likes of NOC as there is no direct access to Poland from the west and north west of Ireland..I do hope Wizzair dont do an Easyjet and pull plug from the Irish market altogether, i would fear the worst if they do...
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I'd be surprised if Cork Airport Management had anything to do with this. The had nothing to offer Ryanair on these routes with the possible exception of Krakow.
They probably didn't even know what Cawley was going to say to the media this morning.
I wouldn't write off Wizzair yet. They still have Poznan and Katowice to themselves.
It's not quite the same as the Easyjet battle. The vast majority of people on these routes are Poles and Lituanians and Wizzairs' brand recognition is very high in that Market.
I feel sorry for Wizzair but they might have drawn this on them by cutting frequencies and increasing fares on these routes last Winter and again in Winter 12/13. The other question is what will Ryanair do with the 2 based aircraft. There is plenty room for some short range flights to the UK or maybe even Charleroi and Beauvais. Watch out Aer Arann and Aerlingus.
They probably didn't even know what Cawley was going to say to the media this morning.
I wouldn't write off Wizzair yet. They still have Poznan and Katowice to themselves.
It's not quite the same as the Easyjet battle. The vast majority of people on these routes are Poles and Lituanians and Wizzairs' brand recognition is very high in that Market.
I feel sorry for Wizzair but they might have drawn this on them by cutting frequencies and increasing fares on these routes last Winter and again in Winter 12/13. The other question is what will Ryanair do with the 2 based aircraft. There is plenty room for some short range flights to the UK or maybe even Charleroi and Beauvais. Watch out Aer Arann and Aerlingus.
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Originally Posted by DublinPole
aisle2c - Wizz have done the same to some of Ryanair's routes in the past in Eastern Europe, and have also recruited several ex Ryanair staff in order to attempt to wager a war against them also - see my post in the Ryanair thread.
In any case we'll see who wins and such competition will be good for the passenger at the end of the day. This is what a free market brings, you will always have such competition between airlines, isn't this the whole argument about why FR should not buy EI because one airline on a route would be bad for consumers?
In any case we'll see who wins and such competition will be good for the passenger at the end of the day. This is what a free market brings, you will always have such competition between airlines, isn't this the whole argument about why FR should not buy EI because one airline on a route would be bad for consumers?
This has nothing to do with free market competition, and all to do with anti competitive smashing of an opponent. Remember back in the 80s when the Irish government took a route off Aer Lingus and gave it to a fledgling Ryanair which is credited with saving it from collapse. It amazes me that the EU don't move to outlaw practices like this.
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The strange thing is that Cork will have more flights to Vilnius and Gdansk that Dublin for winter. I think this puts things into prospective.
Distance between Krakow and Katowice is around 80 km or around 50 mins by car.
WRO is also served by FR from SNN and Wizz are cutting back to 1 weekly from mid September.
They still have Poznan and Katowice to themselves.
WRO is also served by FR from SNN and Wizz are cutting back to 1 weekly from mid September.
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Amazed at the naivety of those who think that Ryanair going head to head with Wizz is going to lead to greater choice and lower fares on Cork routes to Poland and Lithuania. It might in the short term but that's all
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Does anyone know why the CAT 2 on 17 is u/s for almost a week and why it's likely to stay that way for a while longer. it's likely to cause serious disruption if this fog continues. Once again Met Eireanns' prediction of clear skies over Ireland has turned out to be a damp squib over the South Coast. I wish they would stop their over optimistic forecasts.
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NOTAM says it's off the air until the 3rd of September. Must be routine maintenance. In fairness it's never a good time to have the CAT II gone in Cork because the fog is never far away
