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Cork's future
The proposal to extend 17/35 by at least 1,000ft is interesting. However the sharp gradient means that the approach lights will have to be placed on very high pylons and I wonder if this is technically feasible.
There is plenty room for business parks in the Docklands, no need to rezone land which should be kept for future airport related development.
The current business park has been extremely successful but I would question the benefit of locating it within the airport boundary. If the new terminal had been built at this site there would be ample room for extra aircraft stands.
Can anyone say how 16 million pax in 2040 can be accomodated within the present site?
This is at an airport which cannot even accomodate executive jets during the summer months.
There is plenty room for business parks in the Docklands, no need to rezone land which should be kept for future airport related development.
The current business park has been extremely successful but I would question the benefit of locating it within the airport boundary. If the new terminal had been built at this site there would be ample room for extra aircraft stands.
Can anyone say how 16 million pax in 2040 can be accomodated within the present site?
This is at an airport which cannot even accomodate executive jets during the summer months.
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So what would be a valid input to the development plan?
Personally, I think an alignment for a potential light rail line should be preserved. I'm not saying to build it; current passenger numbers can't justify that. But I do think creating a corridor where nothing else could be built should be put in place.
Does the plan extend out as far as Farmer's Cross?
I would have thought the land to the North-East of the roundabout at the entrance to the airport might warrant being looked at as a location for future independently provided long-term parking and possibly a relocation of hire-car activities.
Also does it just look at the built environment or do public transport links come into it? I've always thought there was a case for extending the number 6 bus to the airport, both to facilitate travellers from the Douglas area and to facilitate the large number of airport staff who live around Grange. At the moment people in those areas have to get into the city centre to get a bus back out.
Personally, I think an alignment for a potential light rail line should be preserved. I'm not saying to build it; current passenger numbers can't justify that. But I do think creating a corridor where nothing else could be built should be put in place.
Does the plan extend out as far as Farmer's Cross?
I would have thought the land to the North-East of the roundabout at the entrance to the airport might warrant being looked at as a location for future independently provided long-term parking and possibly a relocation of hire-car activities.
Also does it just look at the built environment or do public transport links come into it? I've always thought there was a case for extending the number 6 bus to the airport, both to facilitate travellers from the Douglas area and to facilitate the large number of airport staff who live around Grange. At the moment people in those areas have to get into the city centre to get a bus back out.
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Any comments on consequences for ORK regarding potential EI-FR merger.
Other threads suggesting that merger a real possibility. The pitch appears to be that EI-FR short haul traffic at cheap prices can be used to fill and expand transatlantic flights out of SNN and DUB. Also suggesting the added attraction of pre-clearance will act as an incentive for continental passengers to fly to the US via SNN/DUB. Anyone know what stats are of EU passengers deliberately rounting through DUB and SNN because of price and pre-clearance.
Obviously this would have serious consequences for ORK as EI presence would be scaled back in any deal.
Hope our local reps are actively pointing this out to govt. as it makes its deliberations on whether or not this national aviation policy is a good one. With a govt. in panic over budget deficits, could see how the FR-EI merger might sound attractive - net govt. couple of million for disposal of shares and persuade the people that this policy will result in thousands of Europeans flying through DUB or SNN generating plenty of jobs!
Other threads suggesting that merger a real possibility. The pitch appears to be that EI-FR short haul traffic at cheap prices can be used to fill and expand transatlantic flights out of SNN and DUB. Also suggesting the added attraction of pre-clearance will act as an incentive for continental passengers to fly to the US via SNN/DUB. Anyone know what stats are of EU passengers deliberately rounting through DUB and SNN because of price and pre-clearance.
Obviously this would have serious consequences for ORK as EI presence would be scaled back in any deal.
Hope our local reps are actively pointing this out to govt. as it makes its deliberations on whether or not this national aviation policy is a good one. With a govt. in panic over budget deficits, could see how the FR-EI merger might sound attractive - net govt. couple of million for disposal of shares and persuade the people that this policy will result in thousands of Europeans flying through DUB or SNN generating plenty of jobs!
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Originally Posted by Copenhagen
Tom, you must really get a life. Cork is a great airport - stop looking over your shoulder (if you can see past the chip that is) and stop feeling like a victim.
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The gradient is hardly that scary compared to what some light rail lines do in Lisbon, Zurich or Oslo and besides, it wouldn't have to head straight up the hill, going up through Grange would significantly reduce it.
As I said in my original post, the economics aren't there at the moment, but whatever about the cost, the important thing is to identify an alignment that wouldn't be built on so that if the economics were there in future, it wouldn't mean extra spending CPOing buildings that should never have been build. We're not very good at planning for the future in Ireland, but that's no reason that we shouldn't start.
As I said in my original post, the economics aren't there at the moment, but whatever about the cost, the important thing is to identify an alignment that wouldn't be built on so that if the economics were there in future, it wouldn't mean extra spending CPOing buildings that should never have been build. We're not very good at planning for the future in Ireland, but that's no reason that we shouldn't start.
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Whatever any of you do over the Christmas holiday I would urge anyone at all whom has the slightest interest in Cork Airport to make a submission to Cork County Council on the pre-draft proposal before the deadline expires on 21st January, 2009.
Heard an interesting one on Thursday afternoon. One consultancy opinion was that runway 25/07 be extended but this opinion was disregarded and that runway 17/35 is the only game in town!
Enough said. Make your submission - make it your Order of the Day!
Heard an interesting one on Thursday afternoon. One consultancy opinion was that runway 25/07 be extended but this opinion was disregarded and that runway 17/35 is the only game in town!
Enough said. Make your submission - make it your Order of the Day!
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From what I hear there will be plenty of submissions from a wide range of people who have a genuine interest in the long term future of the airport.
Letter on today's business post complaining about the waste of money on 3 airport boards when the DAA board is the only show in town.
Letter on today's business post complaining about the waste of money on 3 airport boards when the DAA board is the only show in town.
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just the usual... airports are not all about aeroplanes... the practical things like water sewage etc must be addressed.. so a little civil works like trenching or cabling sometimes must get priority...just read your NOTAMS Mark.....
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They're creating an additional stand at the north end of the ramp. It's claimed that two wide bodies will be able to park nose in at the one time. Heineken Cup Final Day or Lourdes Pilgrimages will be easier to handle.
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Sorry, riptack, have not heard about the EI AGP flight yesterday. If it is of any relevance it has been unusually frosty and icy at Cork in recent weeks - Cork is not used to these kind of lowish temperatures as it is more usually damp, wet and miserable. Cold, crisp dry days are not that common.
Cork received two diversions from Shannon today. The Ryanair flight inbound from Lodz to Shannon landed at Cork at approximately 1.30 pm and shortly after an American Citation X landed just after 2 pm. Anyone know what was happening at Shannon and if they are trying to cover up anything - one could never be up to them and their stunts in that place!
Paranoia or what!
When I have the humor I will comment on Geneva Airport - after last week's experience I am wondering if the CAA have a secret branch office at the Swiss airport!
Cork and Geneva should be twinned!
Cork received two diversions from Shannon today. The Ryanair flight inbound from Lodz to Shannon landed at Cork at approximately 1.30 pm and shortly after an American Citation X landed just after 2 pm. Anyone know what was happening at Shannon and if they are trying to cover up anything - one could never be up to them and their stunts in that place!
Paranoia or what!
When I have the humor I will comment on Geneva Airport - after last week's experience I am wondering if the CAA have a secret branch office at the Swiss airport!
Cork and Geneva should be twinned!
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An Omni Air DC10 burst a tyre whilst taxiing to the runway. The incident happened at the intersection of the taxiway and main runway.
TTT you really need to try and shift that great big chip.
TTT you really need to try and shift that great big chip.
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TTT you really need to try and shift that great big chip.
Any idea how cork traffic performed in November?
I see that tonights baby Birmingham is cancelled. due to severe colic?
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I think TTT was being sarcastic!
WW are not the most reliable to be honest. They consider it a good idea to pair ORK and NOC on one aircraft. As someone who has been delayed more often than not when the disparate fleet of used and abused 733s either go tech or end up in SNN diverted either from ORK or NOC I've given up on them.
WW are not the most reliable to be honest. They consider it a good idea to pair ORK and NOC on one aircraft. As someone who has been delayed more often than not when the disparate fleet of used and abused 733s either go tech or end up in SNN diverted either from ORK or NOC I've given up on them.
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Whatever about the November figures at Cork the numbers to worry about will more likely be the December percentages once the full effect of the FR EMA and PIK withdrawal kick in. As the Stricty Come Dancing judge, Craig Revel Horwood, might say, let us hope that we will not be looking at a complete Disaaaawter comparing this December's figures at Cork to those of the same month last year.
Most of all though is for everyone to do their bit and to fly from your own local airport.
Most of all though is for everyone to do their bit and to fly from your own local airport.