CORK - 5

[Jack1985]

Look's like Ryanair will be basing an aircraft in Warsaw-Modlin and with a base already in Krakow I wouldn't be worried about those routes they do well for them in Cork, particularly Krakow.

[1sky]

CH Aviation reports that Belgian charter Jetairfly (TUI Group) to launch a seasonal Cork - Palma on 3 May 2014.
Belgium's Jetairfly to launch new German, Irish services to Mallorca - ch-aviation.ch

JAF have tried a few random routes from airports including Lille and (Paris) Vatry so this one may be true.

[Jack1985]

Seems to be on behalf of Falcon Holidays, it's not bookable for example via Jetairfly.com - Times are as follows:

JAFXXXX PMI-ORK 1025/1215 -----S- 2hrs 50mins B738 10/05/14 -> 06/09/14
JAFXXXX ORK-PMI 1310/1645 -----S- 2hrs 35mins B738 03/05/14 -> 30/08/14

[_IRL_Flyer]

ORK - PMI with JAF is bookable through the First Choice website. All Falcon Holidays flights can usually be booked through this website. Although some have not been loaded including ORK-REU, AGP, ACE & LPA.

First Choice | Flights | Book flights online with First Choice.

[Jack1985]

Although some have not been loaded including ORK-REU, AGP, ACE & LPA.

They have 2014. Reus will be operated by Air Contractors, ACE and LPA will be operated by Air Europa, services to PMI will be operated by Jetairfly and Volotea and the service to AGP will now operate using the existing Sunday service to Malaga with Aer Lingus.

[_IRL_Flyer]

Sorry, I meant Those flights are not yet bookable through the First Choice website yet. Flights from DUB & Snn arent bookable either.

[Jack1985]

Sorry, I meant Those flights are not yet bookable through the First Choice website yet. Flights from DUB & Snn arent bookable either.

No worries, I dont believe Air Contractors allow online bookings that I know of, Aer Lingus definately wouldnt either as its there services (i.e. aerlingus.com only for the Malaga service) the others do however (Air Europa, Jetairfly and Volotea).

[_IRL_Flyer]

I think Air Contractors allow bookings. Sunway are selling ABR flights at the moment on there website. Air Contractors are due to operate DUB-ADB twice weekly for them this summer. I do remember other ABR flights being sold last year. Last year, Air Contractors flights from Cork to Heraklion were bookable via the Thomas Cook & Direct Holidays websites.

Thanks for the information.

[Tom the Tenor]

Well, it is looking like EI A330-300 is spot on about Ryanair and Warsaw Modlin and Krakow from Cork for sumer 2014. Both routes remain unbookable from Cork whilst on the other hand both destinations are now bookable from Shannon.

Let me exclude the snn factor here a moment - to my mind this is one of the most overall threatening turn of events in a long time to Cork and even more than the incompentence that brought about the ending of a very successful Cork to Rome service and the very near loss of an equally worthwhile Cork to Lisbon service.

What is it? Is it snn dangling every sort of incentive under the sun to Ryanair, or is Ryanair trying to force Cork's hand for lower charges and airport handling fees etc, or is it maybe another display by the Cork Airport folk not having their eye enough on the ball and not seeing this one coming - now I do not know how high up Jack 1985 may be on the food chain at Cork but if his recent comment saying that he would not be worried about Krakow and Modlin had a broader parish amongst parties of the CAA one could see how the ball may have been dropped at Cork?

By the way, when are the Cork Hurling team and party returning to De Real Capital?

[Jack1985]

ow I do not know how high up Jack 1985 may be on the food chain

No where near management unfortunately.

Ryanair Schedule Summer 2014

Below is the Ryanair Summer 2014 schedule, there is just one free-slot capable of doing a rotation to either Kraków or Warsaw-Modlin or even La Rochelle with a slot available Tuesday mornings also for a quick hop there. However I believe at this stage La Rochelle has been dropped.

Kraków and Warsaw-Modlin both are bases (the later to be confirmed) so there could be a -w- route of these services however if still unbookable by the 31st of Jan I would believe at that stage they will not operate for S14.

London-Stansted services have been reduced from 16 weekly in S13 to 14 weekly in S14. Faro services have been increased from 3 weekly in S13 to 4 weekly in S14 - This makes up for Alicante services going from 3 weekly in S13 to 2 weekly in S14. Reus services increase from 3 weekly in S13 to 4 weekly in S14. For the peak months of June, July and August, the new service to East Midlands goes from 4 weekly to 3 weekly ~ From March to May and September to October inclusive the route operates 4 weekly.

In S14, there has been a large increase in routes being operated by non-based aircraft, as there will be no third aircraft from June to August as was the case in S13.

CORK ORK
Alicante ALC
Bordeaux BOD
Carcassonne CCF
East Midlands EMA
Faro FAO
Fuerteventura FUE
Gdańsk GDN
Girona (Barcelona) GRO
Gran Canaria LPA
Lanzarote ACE
Liverpool LPL
London Gatwick LGW
London Stansted STN
Malaga AGP
Milan Bergamo BGY
Palma Mallorca PMI
Pisa PSA
Reus (Barcelona) REU
Tenerife South TFS
Vilnius VNO
Wrocław WRO

Not Available as of 10th Jan 2014 for booking:

Kraków KRK
La Rochelle LRH
Warsaw-Modlin WMI

A/C 1 - B738:

FR1402 ORK-TFS 0600/1030 ------S 4hrs 30mins
FR1401 TFS-ORK 1105/1515 ------S 4hrs 10mins

FR902 ORK-STN 0625/0755 MTWTF-- 1hrs 30mins
FR901 STN-ORK 0820/0945 MTWTF-- 1hrs 25mins

FR8782 ORK-GDN 0655/1030 -----S- 2hrs 35mins
FR8781 GDN-ORK 1055/1300 -----S- 3hrs 05mins

FR9947 ORK-FAO 1010/1240 M-W---- 2hrs 30mins
FR9948 FAO-ORK 1305/1535 M-W---- 2hrs 30mins

FR3022 ORK-CCF 1010/1320 -T-T--- 2hrs 10mins
FR3023 CCF-ORK 1345/1455 -T-T--- 2hrs 10mins

FR9712 ORK-PSA 1010/1350 ----F-- 2hrs 40mins
FR9711 PSA-ORK 1415/1600 ----F-- 2hrs 45mins

FR7887 ORK-PMI 1345/1720 -----S- 2hrs 35mins
FR7888 PMI-ORK 1755/1940 -----S- 2hrs 45mins

FR8782 ORK-GDN 1545/1920 -T----- 2hrs 35mins
FR8781 GDN-ORK 1945/2150 -T----- 3hrs 05mins

FR9728 ORK-BGY 1545/1915 ---T--- 2hrs 30mins
FR9729 BGY-ORK 1940/2120 ---T--- 2hrs 40mins

FR9896 ORK-LPL 1605/1710 ------S 1hrs 05mins
FR9895 LPL-ORK 1735/1840 ------S 1hrs 05mins

FR8866 ORK-VNO 1625/2135 M------ 3hrs 10mins
FR8867 VNO-ORK 2200/2340 M------ 3hrs 40mins

FR9903 ORK-REU 1750/2110 --W---- 2hrs 20mins
FR9904 REU-ORK 2135/2255 --W---- 2hrs 20mins

FR9852 ORK-LGW 2010/2135 -----S- 1hrs 25mins
FR9853 LGW-ORK 2200/2325 -----S- 1hrs 25mins

FR9903 ORK-REU 1905/2225 ------S 2hrs 20mins
FR9904 REU-ORK 2250/0010 ------S 2hrs 20mins

A/C 2 - B738:

FR9943 ORK-ACE 0620/1020 ------S 4hrs 00mins
FR9944 ACE-ORK 1055/1450 ------S 3hrs 55mins

FR9947 ORK-FAO 0630/0900 ----F-- 2hrs 30mins
FR9948 FAO-ORK 0925/1155 ----F-- 2hrs 30mins

FR9728 ORK-BGY 0645/1015 M------ 2hrs 30mins
FR9729 BGY-ORK 1040/1220 M------ 2hrs 40mins

FR8866 ORK-VNO 0650/1200 ---T--- 3hrs 10mins
FR8867 VNO-ORK 1225/1405 ---T--- 3hrs 40mins

FR9905 ORK-BOD 0705/0955 --W---- 1hrs 50mins
FR9906 BOD-ORK 1020/1110 --W---- 1hrs 50mins

FR3022 ORK-CCF 0725/1035 -----S- 2hrs 10mins
FR3023 CCF-ORK 1100/1210 -----S- 2hrs 10mins

FR9852 ORK-LGW 1105/1225 -T----- 1hrs 20mins
FR9853 LGW-ORK 1250/1415 -T----- 1hrs 25mins

FR9852 ORK-LGW 1140/1305 --W---- 1hrs 25mins
FR9853 LGW-ORK 1335/1500 --W---- 1hrs 25mins

FR9852 ORK-LGW 1245/1410 ----F-- 1hrs 25mins
FR9853 LGW-ORK 1435/1600 ----F-- 1hrs 25mins

FR9941 ORK-FUE 1300/1705 -----S- 4hrs 05mins
FR9942 FUE-ORK 1745/2155 -----S- 4hrs 10mins

FR9852 ORK-LGW 1305/1430 M------ 1hrs 25mins
FR9853 LGW-ORK 1500/1625 M------ 1hrs 25mins

FR9852 ORK-LGW 1455/1620 ---T--- 1hrs 25mins
FR9853 LGW-ORK 1655/1820 ---T--- 1hrs 25mins

FR7028 ORK-LPA 1505/1915 -T----- 4hrs 10mins
FR7027 LPA-ORK 1950/2340 -T----- 3hrs 50mins

FR9905 ORK-BOD 1540/1830 ------S 1hrs 50mins
FR9906 BOD-ORK 1855/1945 ------S 1hrs 50mins

FR9901 ORK-AGP 1605/1955 --W---- 2hrs 50mins
FR9902 AGP-ORK 2030/2225 --W---- 2hrs 55mins

FR9903 ORK-REU 1725/2045 M---F-- 2hrs 20mins
FR9904 REU-ORK 2110/2230 M---F-- 2hrs 20mins

FR906 ORK-STN 1855/2015 ---T--- 1hrs 30mins
FR905 STN-ORK 2040/2205 ---T--- 1hrs 25mins

FR9852 ORK-LGW 2010/2135 ------S 1hrs 25mins
FR9853 LGW-ORK 2200/2325 ------S 1hrs 25mins

NON-BASED - B738:

FR901 STN-ORK 0620/0745 -----SS 1hrs 25mins
FR902 ORK-STN 0810/0940 -----SS 1hrs 30mins

FR8857 WRO-ORK 0630/0830 ---T--- 3hrs 00mins
FR8856 ORK-WRO 0855/1250 ---T--- 2hrs 55mins

FR9902 AGP-ORK 0630/0825 ----F-- 2hrs 55mins
FR9901 ORK-AGP 0850/1240 ----F-- 2hrs 50mins

FR9711 PSA-ORK 0655/0840 M------ 2hrs 45mins
FR9712 ORK-PSA 0905/1245 M------ 2hrs 40mins

FR9895 LPL-ORK 0745/0850 M------ 1hrs 05mins
FR9896 ORK-LPL 0915/1020 M------ 1hrs 05mins

FR1768 EMA-ORK 0750/0905 M------ 1hrs 15mins
FR1769 ORK-EMA 0930/1040 M------ 1hrs 10mins

FR9952 ALC-ORK 0820/1000 ----F-- 2hrs 40mins
FR9951 ORK-ALC 1025/1405 ----F-- 2hrs 40mins

FR9895 LPL-ORK 1235/1340 --W---- 1hrs 05mins
FR9896 ORK-LPL 1405/1510 --W---- 1hrs 05mins

FR9944 ACE-ORK 1350/1745 -T----- 3hrs 55mins
FR9943 ORK-ACE 1810/2210 -T----- 4hrs 00mins

FR9948 FAO-ORK 1425/1655 ------S 2hrs 30mins
FR9947 ORK-FAO 1720/1950 ------S 2hrs 30mins

FR9952 ALC-ORK 1500/1640 -T----- 2hrs 40mins
FR9951 ORK-ALC 1705/2045 -T----- 2hrs 40mins

FR9895 LPL-ORK 1505/1610 ----F-- 1hrs 05mins
FR9896 ORK-LPL 1635/1740 ----F-- 1hrs 05mins

FR9902 AGP-ORK 1650/1845 -----S- 2hrs 55mins
FR9901 ORK-AGP 1910/2300 -----S- 2hrs 50mins

FR7888 PMI-ORK 1735/1920 --W---- 2hrs 45mins
FR7887 ORK-PMI 1945/2320 --W---- 2hrs 35mins

FR8857 WRO-ORK 1735/1935 ------S 3hrs 00mins
FR8856 ORK-WRO 2000/2355 ------S 2hrs 55mins

FR9902 AGP-ORK 1740/1935 M------ 2hrs 55mins
FR9901 ORK-AGP 2000/2350 M------ 2hrs 50mins

FR6751 GRO-ORK 1800/1930 -----S- 2hrs 30mins
FR6752 ORK-GRO 1955/2310 -----S- 2hrs 15mins

FR6751 GRO-ORK 1805/1935 -T----- 2hrs 30mins
FR6752 ORK-GRO 2000/2315 -T----- 2hrs 15mins

FR1768 EMA-ORK 1830/1945 --W---- 1hrs 15mins
FR1769 ORK-EMA 2010/2120 --W---- 1hrs 10mins

FR9895 LPL-ORK 1840/1945 -----S- 1hrs 05mins
FR9896 ORK-LPL 2010/2115 -----S- 1hrs 05mins

FR905 STN-ORK 1955/2120 MTW-F-S 1hrs 25mins
FR906 ORK-STN 2145/2305 MTW-F-S 1hrs 20mins

FR905 STN-ORK 1955/2125 -----S- 1hrs 30mins
FR906 ORK-STN 2150/2310 -----S- 1hrs 20mins

FR1768 EMA-ORK 2120/2235 ------S 1hrs 15mins
FR1769 ORK-EMA 2300/0010 ------S 1hrs 10mins

[EI-A330-300]

Weather they are or are not operating it is a concern that they are not available yet, they are trying to boost SNN numbers, there is no other reason why they are delaying the release if they are operating. You talk about time/days but that doesn't stop FR releasing flights as they chop and change them every few weeks. If they are not out by the end of the month then I don't see them operating.


We all know FR would go back to SNN and it would be down hill to an extend for ORK and NOC.


Comment on t*witter about FR and Cork,
" Hi M, no such thing as semi-independent. Will wait for full independence & competitive pricing #AskRyanair"

[BFS BHD]

ORK-KRK will deffo not run in S14 by ryanairs twitter page!

[Jack1985]

We all know FR would go back to SNN and it would be down hill to an extend for ORK and NOC.

Exactly. And my concern back in February 2010 was what is exactly happening now, the growth was not organic and is only there to play airports off each-other. Really pisses me off that the EU is so liberal about an airline basically driving carriers off routes and actually out of whole markets by predatory pricing and scheduling etc. Let's just say management are fully aware of what I have posted (not the actual post but what is happening) and there's meetings scheduled this week that I know of but am not revealing with new carriers and an existing airline I prefer to call a hometown one.

ORK-KRK will deffo not run in S14 by ryanairs twitter page!

Hmm CEO trying to come across like a labrador on twitter, I'd rather wait for confirmation. And to be honest anything that comes out of that man's mouth needs double checking, if he told me it was raining I would check. The high court here share that view.

[ryan2000]

Only 11 weeks to go to start of Summer schedule. Strange that they're not bookable now if they're going to operate. Hard to see how growth by Aer Lingus Regional and the extra LHR mainline service will be able to make up for the almost certain decline in traffic for Quarter 1 and Quarter 2 caused by other low profile but significant cuts to schedules.

[confused atco]

the growth was not organic and is only there to play airports off each-other. Really pisses me off that the EU is so liberal about an airline basically driving carriers off routes and actually out of whole markets by predatory pricing and scheduling etc.

EU internal market AIR

European policy has profoundly transformed the air transport industry by creating the conditions for competitiveness

The EU has one aim as I see it, the creation of the single market.

RYANAIR any most other Low Cost operations will move their assets to where ever they can maximize their return.

Outside of Dublin Ireland is over supplied with airports and each fighting for what they can achieve.

We are a small market on the edge of Europe.

Blaming Shannon/Dublin/Cork/Kerry/Knock/Derry is pointless.

The cheapest and most cost effective will out.

Ultimately this will result in significant changes to new entrants to the labor market in the airports but eventually all airport/airline employees will be affected.

[ryan2000]

Why can't we have a level playing pitch in Irish Aviation?

[Jack1985]

Ultimately this will result in significant changes to new entrants to the labor market in the airports but eventually all airport/airline employees will be affected.

Exactly.

Why can't we have a level playing pitch in Irish Aviation?

Politics.

[Una Due Tfc]

Completely agree with confused, far too many airports in Ireland, and not just in the Republic. Over 90% of the population must live within a 3 hour drive of Dublin now with the new Motorway network. This means alot of the "locals" in Limerick/Cork/Galway etc are going to head up to Dublin, stay in one of those big hotels near the airport for the night and leave their car there for a fiver for the week.

Everybody knew that if ORK or SNN were made independent then they would run rings around the other. Unfortunately for ORK, it wasn't them who were cut off.

So we know ORK is in a hole, how do they find a way out?

[ryan2000]

Are we going to have a Dutch Auction between Cork and Shannon? I hope not for the sake of both airports.

[Una Due Tfc]

SNN has the runway and the pre-clearance, ORK has the population and would be more attractive to tourists. Combine the two and you would have a brilliant airport. SNN can take all ORK traffic, ORK cannot take all SNN traffic.

It's going to take some superb management, but ORK definately has a future if done right. The next 12 months are crucial, some very hard work is needed. Maybe try and get Wizz back now that FR are doing Poland from SNN