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Old 14th Nov 2013, 10:40
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In response to Angry Rebel - I wouldn't ask "whats happening up there", I'd be more inclined to ask whats happening DOWN here
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The passenger number info box at the bottom of the Ryanair press release seems to be making it clear that the "million extra passengers" are included in the three announcements to date. Does this mean that a deal couldn't be reached with the DAA regarding Cork or is it the case that Ryanair actually never had any intention of expanding services from the airport in the first place? MOL seemed to make it clear last week that expansion at Kerry was never on the cards.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 12:24
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@seeryger I did mean "up there" being up on the hill (I am "down here" in Cork city!). BUT, the reality is that fault lies in Cork Airport and in DAA HQ.
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Old 14th Nov 2013, 15:30
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Angry Rebel, I appreciate the clarification
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 07:48
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According to the examiner Ryanair could add capacity from September at Cork and possibly Kerry. Saying it would be modest and harder to grow from these markets.
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Old 15th Nov 2013, 08:10
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Judging by their approach in Dublin that means fewer EI routes to attack. After all, they aren't going to start flying to LHR, AMS or CDG from Cork.
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Old 18th Nov 2013, 15:38
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Examnier saying LHR to go 5 daily weekdays for the summer but of course SNN-AGP and DUB-MUC take capacity out of Cork.
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Old 18th Nov 2013, 16:18
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For 2014, Aer Lingus mainline operations will have an additional weekly flight in total due to the increases inline for Heathrow, expected really considering the great loads they continue to get for the service. Up to the CAA now to push for it year-round and there's a good chance of that too considering Aer Lingus are operating the A321 on a Thursday evening, Friday and Monday mornings this Winter due to demand. That sort of growth next Winter would be a sustainable drive, the announcement by Aer Lingus in Shannon is for June to August (New Malaga service) and obviously they believe they will achieve better yields with that Cork aircraft there by dropping the Cork to Lisbon service and reducing capacity to Munich from Cork by trying to maintain yields obviously when the new Ryanair service to Memmingen which apparently can be called Munich West comes on line. Let's see what the Summer holds, and to be honest its in the best interest of the CAA to stay clear of growth by Ryanair, they continue to demonstrate to me that that there definition of ''growth'' which is to chase the yields of carriers there CEO continues to bash and chase the success of what he called a ''ludicrous idea'' by Aer Lingus, ''who think flying props to the UK is revolutionary'' who's laughing now MOL considering there losing market share to Aer Arann. There definition of growth is unsustainable on a year-round basis and will further drive the sector here into a seasonality, there's lots of potential past that carrier. The likes of capacity increases to London/Heathrow is where we started out ten years ago and its where management need to look again, and to remember back in 2005 what happened when they swallowed the tripe described as growth which has now come back to haunt them.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 15:20
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A correction to my above post SNN-AGP will actually operate from March to October with SNN-FAO operating from May to September - Both using Cork aircraft for a total of 5 weekly flights. With the loss of Lisbon and reduction by 1 weekly service to Munich (now operating twice weekly for Summer 2014) and the addition of 6 extra weekly service to London/Heathrow (has been released for booking today as 5 daily Monday to Saturday inclusive, 4 daily on Sundays) we will be ahead by 2 weekly services compared to last year. Let's hope Memmingen is a complete failure up the road and Munich would most probably return back to 3 weekly in 2015.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 15:57
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Jack1985: Let's hope Memmingen is a complete failure up the road and Munich would most probably return back to 3 weekly in 2015.

Hoping for failure on somebody else's patch is a sure sign of desperation I think.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 17:00
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Hoping for failure on somebody else's patch is a sure sign of desperation I think.
Hmm, and what would you call chasing the growth of a successful existing route by a carrier who seeks to class it as organic growth - the same carrier who continues to issue profit warnings - And now it's not all there chasing, its business models too.
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 19:11
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Just handled my first ATR72-600 (EI-FAV), REA8B to BHX which positioned down from DUB. Unfortunately its due to EI-REM being tech in BHX, but I cant wait to have these birds based in Cork, the ATR cockpit in the 72-600 has been thrown into the 21st Century, beautiful LCD's and its basically like stepping inside an Airbus!
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Old 25th Nov 2013, 23:18
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CORK - 5

What has happened to ORK-LIS for 2014?
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Old 26th Nov 2013, 12:50
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It looks like it's gone as it isn't being offered by travel agents.

It had been gaining traction as a route, but the route supports run out next year and the fact that Shannon is now able to offer a better deal to airlines than Cork means EI see more profit in SNN-AGP next year.

I wonder if they are right in that. With their Malaga flights from Cork and Ryanair flying from Cork and Shannon, the route must be close to saturation from Munster, but that seems to be a risk they are willing to take.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 16:01
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Newcastle gone now from late March, harps and shamrocks for the next century.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 16:20
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Hey Jack just wondering if your colleagues in Eir might be tempted to take the Newcastle route on?A while back you alluded to Eir basing a third ATR for Summer 2014. Any further news on any new routes or increased frequencies they plan?
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 16:52
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Hey Jack just wondering if your colleagues in Eir might be tempted to take the Newcastle route on?A while back you alluded to Eir basing a third ATR for Summer 2014. Any further news on any new routes or increased frequencies they plan?
As recently as last October the CCO Simon Fagan said that for Summer 2014 they would increase flights add new routes and base a third ATR in Cork, Aer Arann can wait as far as late January, early February to announce their final schedule for the Summer so I'd imagine they're still busy planning what to do with that extra aircraft - BHX, MAN will definitely have more flights, followed by EDI and BRS - I would hope NCL would be picked up by them and it's possible Southampton or Cardiff could also appear, with the new capacity going to Manchester I doubt theres a need for a Leeds/Bradford route. They could even add Southend but I'm very sceptical about such a move.
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 19:54
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Southend is barely viable from Dublin not to mind Cork......
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 21:05
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Southend is barely viable from Dublin not to mind Cork......
Be interested to know how you know this as they were on about adding a fourth daily service next Summer from Dublin?
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Old 27th Nov 2013, 21:12
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Be interested to know how you know this as they were on about adding a fourth
daily service next Summer from Dublin?
If you stripped out the US bound passengers on SEN DUB, you might be alarmed at the level of point to point traffic. Using Dublin SEN as a barometer to the potential of a ORK SEN might be quite flawed.

I'd also agree with your asertion;
I'm very sceptical about such a move.
BFS, WAT, and GWY to SEN didn'r work. WAT and GWY had no other London route, hence with traffic on Cork London, we can safely rule out SEN.
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