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Cork to Faro 2014
Cork to Faro still not loaded by Aer lingus but three day schedule in Shannon is bookable which linked up with Cork-Faro last summer as it was ORK-FAO-SNN-FAO-ORK for 2013 summer schedule. Any ideas?
Is this route possibly being dropped? Would be a big loss to the sunseekers.
Is this route possibly being dropped? Would be a big loss to the sunseekers.
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It's one of Aer Lingus top routes from Cork, it will be released in the coming weeks along with Palma. They simply have pre-loaded the current summer schedule with the exception of FAO & PMI so it will change by late October.
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I was a bit baffled this morning when I saw an Aer Lingus aircraft going out at 8:30. Initially I thought it was just one of the earlier ones going out late, but then there seemed to be 5 departures out of Cork this morning and an EI arrival from Belfast on the board.
I'd assumed then that there had been some kind of diversion from Belfast into Cork.
I'd assumed then that there had been some kind of diversion from Belfast into Cork.
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It's a fuel diversion. DEK also landed yesterday at the same time to pick up fuel. Would be a bit weird of EI to operate a extra flight to Faro but offer no return the same day.
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Strange that you would have a fuel diversion, its not like it can leave Belfast not fully fueled. Is there another reason. Up to recently you could book a Friday flight from Cork to Faro during October then it was dropped. It was never to cover anybody who booked a Friday flight? Normally they are bumped to next available re Saturday. Strange was wondering why it passed over house this morning too.
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In think there are restrictions on aircraft performance out of Belfast City. The runway is quite short. To the point where FR 738s were restricted to 170ish passengers, even on short UK hops.
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Strange that you would have a fuel diversion, its not like it can leave Belfast not fully fueled. Is there another reason. Up to recently you could book a Friday flight from Cork to Faro during October then it was dropped. It was never to cover anybody who booked a Friday flight? Normally they are bumped to next available re Saturday. Strange was wondering why it passed over house this morning too.
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What i was saying in relation to dropping Friday flight, I myself am travelling to Faro next Thursday and up until about 3 to 4 weeks ago was thinking of moving it to the Friday flight as it was bookable. It then went off the booking system. It just looked like in late Aug/Early Sept you could book a Friday flight in Oct but come the middle of Sept the Friday flight was no longer available and was wondering why they would take bookings then change the schedule. In fairness i would never knock Aer Lingus because no matter what they always look after you!!
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Cork : Explaining the falling passenger numbers in August and September
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Indeed, it takes more than a couple of days of disruption to explain the declines in passengers in both August and September. Looking at the flight counts, there's been a decrease in flights by some airlines.
Comparing September 2013 to September 2012 shows that total flights were down by around 8%.
Indeed, it takes more than a couple of days of disruption to explain the declines in passengers in both August and September. Looking at the flight counts, there's been a decrease in flights by some airlines.
Comparing September 2013 to September 2012 shows that total flights were down by around 8%.
- Aer Lingus down 14% (nearly 3 movements per day: Loss of Gatwick and Rome, reduction on Brussels, increase on Barcelona)
- Aer Arann down 20% (3 movements per day: Reductions on Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh)
- Wizzair and Monarch down 100% (an average of 4 WZZ movements per day, less than 1 per day for Monarch)
- On the other hand, Ryanair were up 45% (roughly 5 movements per day) compared to last year and the Ryanair increase was equal to the number of flights lost from Wizzair and Monarch
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The disruptions probably accounted for 2%-3% of the 7%.
Considering Aer Lingus short haul is the biggest contributor to total numbers at the airport, what we saw for overall Aer Lingus short haul performance tells a lot. However, I'd note that based on the figures above, their network in Cork shrank by more than their overall one.
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figure. I knew it was down, but had no idea it was as much as 20%
Considering Aer Lingus short haul is the biggest contributor to total numbers at the airport, what we saw for overall Aer Lingus short haul performance tells a lot. However, I'd note that based on the figures above, their network in Cork shrank by more than their overall one.
Surprised by the Aer Lingus Regional
figure. I knew it was down, but had no idea it was as much as 20%
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Gdansk, Vilnius, Krakow and Wroclaw all have frequency reductions compared to what was bookable untill recently. Of course both Wizzair and Ryanair operated the routes last Winter so that's going to be some reduction in capacity. Cork now handling a million passengers less than its 2008 peak of 3.25 million! Recession or no recession that's a worrying statistic.
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Gdansk, Vilnius, Krakow and Wroclaw all have frequency reductions compared to what was bookable untill recently. Of course both Wizzair and Ryanair operated the routes last Winter so that's going to be some reduction in capacity. Cork now handling a million passengers less than its 2008 peak of 3.25 million! Recession or no recession that's a worrying statistic.
So far from a massive reduction in capacity, we're going to be fairly on par with Winter 11/12 all going well, as EIR have increased flights for this Winter and the reduction for EI against that period, the replacement of W6 with FR (with an actual increased capacity there) should see us inline with capacity during that period if not slightly ahead.
The figure, 1M down. We were basically that close last year? Look up the road you'll notice Shannon is down over 2M since its peak, far from worrying its inline with the collapse in Irish traffic. I believe instead of constantly focusing on downward trends in traffic on this forum, we look forward to 2014 with an optimistic view for a change.
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I'd like to be optimistic as well Jack but what ever way we read it the traffic has been on a downward trend since 2009 and the reasonable start to 2013 has been somewhat of a false dawn.
Early this year it was predicted that we'd see growth at Cork in 2013 but by Easter that hope had disappeared when Wizz withdrew from all of it's Cork routes and the peak schedule of EIR was somewhat less than that of 2012.
Now we're growing for growth in 2014 but on what basis? The only positive news so far is Aer Arann's statement some months ago that they may base a 3rd ATR here. I've learned to wait for timetables to be loaded before assessing the impact of statements like this.
Of course Shannon's collapse has been far more dramatic and all the positive spin and press statements won't give them an increase in 2013.
On the other hand Dublin is the one airport that looks to be on the way back up.
Early this year it was predicted that we'd see growth at Cork in 2013 but by Easter that hope had disappeared when Wizz withdrew from all of it's Cork routes and the peak schedule of EIR was somewhat less than that of 2012.
Now we're growing for growth in 2014 but on what basis? The only positive news so far is Aer Arann's statement some months ago that they may base a 3rd ATR here. I've learned to wait for timetables to be loaded before assessing the impact of statements like this.
Of course Shannon's collapse has been far more dramatic and all the positive spin and press statements won't give them an increase in 2013.
On the other hand Dublin is the one airport that looks to be on the way back up.
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While this year is good for DUB there is a lot of uncertainty ahead for 2014 which could cause passenger numbers to fall. Will not post a certain rumour doing the rounds but if its right which I personally think there is some truth it may have real affects at DUB.
While this year is good for DUB there is a lot of uncertainty ahead for 2014 which could cause passenger numbers to fall. Will not post a certain rumour doing the rounds but if its right which I personally think there is some truth it may have real affects at DUB.
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